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Old Jan 8, 2013, 06:21 AM   #26
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Discriminated?

Wtf are you talking about?
Do you not watch the news? Gun shows being forced to shut down or change venue, newspapers publishing the names and address of LEGAL gun owners....

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Bull ****ing s***!

Stop it with this crap. You are far from being marginalized or discriminated against at the level many minorities have been. That is just an absolute load of garbage.

Have you been:

1. denied the right to marry because you own a gun?
2. denied the right to serve your country because you own a gun?
3. been denied or fired from a job because you own a gun?
4. been beaten, raped or killed because you own a gun?
5. been disowned by your family because you own a gun?

This is disingenuousness at it's worst. Your guns are not being taken away, so just knock it off.

And if you went to CFA Appreciation Day, you've lost my respect. That is truly the ugliest thing you could do.

And you know damn well I'm a huge supporter of gun ownership, but WITH LIMITS. People should be screened before they can buy guns. Sorry if you don't like that, but it makes sense.
I support background checks as I have made clear in my many posts here...

I also went to CFA Appreciation day not because I believe in "alternative lifestyle people" having their rights trampled on, but because I support a business's choice to do what they want with their money even if they use that money to support causes I have a problem with...yes, this means I would support a business to use their money towards gun control.

As for our rights not being trampled on, Lee, you were one of the people that kept saying "what has Obama done to make you think he wants your guns", well, look around you. The first week of the new year he said it was his goal to address semi-auto weapons...
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Old Jan 8, 2013, 06:31 AM   #27
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Do they have to do it the same week-end as the inauguration of the right wings most hated president ?

Personally I don't think it's a coincidence .

Probably does not matter, as it appears not many plan on attending....

"Team Obama “Starting To Seriously Worry” About Low Turnout At Inauguration Ceremony
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It would be difficult to upstage President Obama’s starry inauguration four years ago where an estimated 1.8 million descended to see Beyoncé,Bono and Bruce perform.

But things are so grim this time that Presidential Inaugural Committee members are sweating over the Jan. 21 event, sources say.

The number of inaugural balls this year where the president and Michelle Obama will appear has sharply dwindled from 10 to two.

And donors have also dropped, sources say. “Some on the presidential inaugural committee are starting to seriously worry,” said a political insider.

The number of inaugural balls this year where the president and Michelle Obama will appear has sharply dwindled from 10 to 2

“They’ve dramatically cut the number of balls from 2008 to two, and both will be taking place in the Washington Convention Center.” It will mark the fewest number of official inaugural balls since 1953.

Meanwhile, DC hotels that were booked solid for Obama’s first inauguration have struggled to attract visitors. “Hotels have been slashing prices, and ticket prices to the inaugural events are expected to go down,” said a source, who added, “The committee has been working hard to find benefactors to raise funds.”

http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/not_in_g...1b2MV53nRM"
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Old Jan 8, 2013, 06:54 AM   #30
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What a coincidence, January 19th is small penis appreciation day.

How tone deaf can the NRA be? As said, they would have killed it on PR if they were holding a gun education day.
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Old Jan 8, 2013, 07:07 AM   #31
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Do you not watch the news? Gun shows being forced to shut down or change venue, newspapers publishing the names and address of LEGAL gun owners....

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I support background checks as I have made clear in my many posts here...

I also went to CFA Appreciation day not because I believe in "alternative lifestyle people" having their rights trampled on, but because I support a business's choice to do what they want with their money even if they use that money to support causes I have a problem with...yes, this means I would support a business to use their money towards gun control.

As for our rights not being trampled on, Lee, you were one of the people that kept saying "what has Obama done to make you think he wants your guns", well, look around you. The first week of the new year he said it was his goal to address semi-auto weapons...
So, one more time- is he going to send people to your house to take your guns? No. And you did not address my other points. If you refer to being gay as an "alternative lifestyle" one more time, I'm going to say something that will get me banned. If you want to debate, at least do it honestly.

And no- I don't think it's OK for businesses to support groups that fight to take away the rights of others, especially the people Chick Fil A endorses- who contribute to groups that have encouraged the death penalty for gay people in Uganda among other things. If you think that's OK, we have nothing left to talk about.
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Old Jan 8, 2013, 07:19 AM   #32
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So, one more time- is he going to send people to your house to take your guns? No. And you did not address my other points. If you refer to being gay as an "alternative lifestyle" one more time, I'm going to say something that will get me banned. If you want to debate, at least do it honestly.

And no- I don't think it's OK for businesses to support groups that fight to take away the rights of others, especially the people Chick Fil A endorses- who contribute to groups that have encouraged the death penalty for gay people in Uganda among other things. If you think that's OK, we have nothing left to talk about.
ok...Gay than, my apologies...though i think I used that word once before and i was given a beat down for it...can you blame me for being confused?

The proposed legislation I have seen runs the gamut of having to turn them in to registering them..both are bad.

Also, it is ok to disagree with people on things. I do not agree with CFA's stance with respect to their views on gays, but I support their right to do what they want with their money. Likewise I support the right for companies that are anti gun to do what they want with their money. It's called freedom of speech. Hell, I even support the right of the wacky Westboro Baptist Church to do what they do. Though I don't believe in their cause.
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Old Jan 8, 2013, 07:23 AM   #33
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ok...Gay than, my apologies...though i think I used that word once before and i was given a beat down for it...can you blame me for being confused?
Yes, I can. You've been on this forum long enough to know better.

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The proposed legislation I have seen runs the gamut of having to turn them in to registering them..both are bad.
Registering them is not bad at all. Restrictions on gun ownership are one thing, which may happen. I seriously doubt you will have to turn anything in.

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Also, it is ok to disagree with people on things. I do not agree with CFA's stance with respect to their views on gays, but I support their right to do what they want with their money. Likewise I support the right for companies that are anti gun to do what they want with their money. It's called freedom of speech. Hell, I even support the right of the wacky Westboro Baptist Church to do what they do. Though I don't believe in their cause.
I never said I don't support their right to do what they want with their money, but I'm not going to support them with my money. There is a difference.
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Old Jan 8, 2013, 08:24 AM   #34
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ok...Gay than, my apologies...though i think I used that word once before and i was given a beat down for it...can you blame me for being confused?

The proposed legislation I have seen runs the gamut of having to turn them in to registering them..both are bad.

Also, it is ok to disagree with people on things. I do not agree with CFA's stance with respect to their views on gays, but I support their right to do what they want with their money. Likewise I support the right for companies that are anti gun to do what they want with their money. It's called freedom of speech. Hell, I even support the right of the wacky Westboro Baptist Church to do what they do. Though I don't believe in their cause.

So if McDonalds donated large sums of money to anti-gun groups that seek to take away everyone's guns, I'm sure you'll be the first person in line on McDonalds Appreciation Day to show support for a company's right to do what they want with their money.
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Old Jan 8, 2013, 08:38 AM   #35
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So if McDonalds donated large sums of money to anti-gun groups that seek to take away everyone's guns, I'm sure you'll be the first person in line on McDonalds Appreciation Day to show support for a company's right to do what they want with their money.
No, but I don't eat at McDs.

If I am remembering correctly Dannon (the yogurt company) is antigun, yet I but a lot of their products.
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Old Jan 8, 2013, 09:17 AM   #36
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Do you not watch the news? Gun shows being forced to shut down or change venue, newspapers publishing the names and address of LEGAL gun owners.
As ridiculous as I think that newspaper was in publishing the names and addresses of LEGAL gun owners, all of that information is public - and could be gotten by anyone. That is not discrimination. Unless, of course, any of those whose names were published were kicked out of their houses, fired from their jobs, were told they weren't allowed to legally marry, or gotten the tar beat out of them because they were "gun owners".
There's a difference. And the more you ignore it, the less credibility you have.



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As for our rights not being trampled on, Lee, you were one of the people that kept saying "what has Obama done to make you think he wants your guns", well, look around you. The first week of the new year he said it was his goal to address semi-auto weapons.
When that conversation was had, he hadn't done anything. And then somebody took his mother's guns and shot twenty 6 and 7 year olds. Your rights have not been trampled on. You still have your guns, don't you? And you still have the right to own them? It's arguments like these that are the reason you guys have been your own worst enemy.
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As ridiculous as I think that newspaper was in publishing the names and addresses of LEGAL gun owners, all of that information is public - and could be gotten by anyone. That is not discrimination. Unless, of course, any of those whose names were published were kicked out of their houses, fired from their jobs, were told they weren't allowed to legally marry, or gotten the tar beat out of them because they were "gun owners".
There's a difference. And the more you ignore it, the less credibility you have.





When that conversation was had, he hadn't done anything. And then somebody took his mother's guns and shot twenty 6 and 7 year olds. Your rights have not been trampled on. You still have your guns, don't you? And you still have the right to own them? It's arguments like these that are the reason you guys have been your own worst enemy.
Reading your "your own worst enemy" comment made me think of something. Aren't the people who're screaming the loudest about being the victim in this, the ones who crow about "personal responsibility" and tell those of use who bring light to the discriminations we face in day to day life "to suck it up" or that we're just being too sensitive?

They paint those of us that are "libs", "alternative lifestyles", "others", etc with broad strokes and how we should police all of our number so they don't rock the boat. Yet when the idea of gun owners being held responsible for the far too large number irresponsible of their group is appalling. Plus, I'm quite sure that we don't have mass queerings every month (almost weekly at times) that turn out school children, or innocent people out for a night at the movies.

Tho I could be wrong, there could be dangerous gangs of dykes out there, recklessly waving their sexuality about converting poor, god-fearing citizens, and we just don't hear it because of the pinko mainstream media.
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Old Jan 8, 2013, 03:18 PM   #38
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Do you not watch the news? Gun shows being forced to shut down or change venue, newspapers publishing the names and address of LEGAL gun owners....
I call bollocks.

Especially when in the 3 of the biggest towns out west, gun shows not only have been held at the same place for at least the past 10 years, but at one of hte biggest shows, they have seen record numbers of attendances.

The same can be said in Sacramento and Las Vegas. You may want to read/watch the news yourself.

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As for our rights not being trampled on, Lee, you were one of the people that kept saying "what has Obama done to make you think he wants your guns", well, look around you. The first week of the new year he said it was his goal to address semi-auto weapons...
Let's revisit this and discrimination when your gun values you at 3/5 of a person. Until then, you have no room to talk.

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Old Jan 8, 2013, 03:38 PM   #39
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No, but I don't eat at McDs.

If I am remembering correctly Dannon (the yogurt company) is antigun, yet I but a lot of their products.
well you just proved your self a complete hypocrat.
CFA was BS. Noticed that almost everyone who went their on that day are pretty anti gay rights.
I am more part of the group that boycott them and I will continue to refuse to eat their until I have seen ample proof they have changed their ways. Right now I see it in say only not in actions.
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Well, as someone who went out to eat at Chik-Fil-A on the CFA appreciation day, I will be going out to shoot some semiautos on Jan 19...
I would have never participated in the whole Chik-Fil-A appreciation day. I mean CFA is a privately owned company so I guess they can say what they want, but it doesn't mean I would give them my money. I have never even eaten at one and rarely seen one since they are mostly Southern based.

Now I don't have any issue with some sort of gun appreciation day. That to me is something completely different. If law abiding people want to go to the target range that day or browse a local gun store good for them. I think your sort of doing some of us a big disservice by associating the two events. Many of us who are big supporters of the 2nd amendment are also big supporters of equal rights for all no matter their gender, race or sexual orientation.
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Do you not watch the news? Gun shows being forced to shut down or change venue, newspapers publishing the names and address of LEGAL gun owners....[COLOR="...
Boo ****ing hoo. You call that discrimination? Ask Lee what he's been through.

It's amazing you confuse inconvienance with discrimination.
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Well, as someone who went out to eat at Chik-Fil-A on the CFA appreciation day, I will be going out to shoot some semiautos on Jan 19...
You want people to support your rights as a gun owner but you have no problem funding a company that tries to deny rights to others? That's some interesting twisted logic there and like leekohler, you totally lost respect with me as well.

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I do not agree with CFA's stance with respect to their views on gays, but I support their right to do what they want with their money.
And you don't understand that by going there you just funded the very thing that you do not agree with????

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Hell, I even support the right of the wacky Westboro Baptist Church to do what they do. Though I don't believe in their cause.
Do you send them a check and help fund their organization and travels to protest funerals?
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Gun appreciation day? Of all the objects in the world, why guns? Why not toilet appreciation day? Or torque wrench appreciation day? Or bicycle wheel application day? Why are guns so special to some people? What is the ****ing obsession all about?

So 2nd ammendment rights accepted, tell me what's actually so amazingly awesome about guns anyway? They are just lumps of metal which are designed to take a fellow human beings life away. Even if the NRA is right and gun ownership is a positive thing, why celebrate the actual guns themselves? People who get a stiffy over guns are very sad and could do with growing up a bit. I think they miss the whole point and spirit of the US constitution.

Gun appreciation day and Alex Jones, what's next... I bet the anti-gun lobby can't believe their luck.

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What is the ****ing obsession all about?
I guarantee you that if there was no Second Amendment, the vast majority of people who are currently gun nuts wouldn't even have thought about guns as some amazing thing. My belief is that much of it is "it's my right, and it's damn well one I'm gonna exercise!" Macho bravado stuff and junk.
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You want people to support your rights as a gun owner but you have no problem funding a company that tries to deny rights to others? That's some interesting twisted logic there and like leekohler, you totally lost respect with me as well.



And you don't understand that by going there you just funded the very thing that you do not agree with????



Do you send them a check and help fund their organization and travels to protest funerals?
I wont be sending WBC any money, rest assured..but I will support their right to do what they want even though I think it is disgusting.

For CFA, truth be told I have an issue with people telling me where and how I should be spending my money.


As far as Dannon Yogurt goes, its the same thing. I like their products...thats why I continue to eat them. Plus the ten bucks a month I spend on them probably does not go very far towards their anti 2A efforts. Also, the hundreds of dollars a year I donate to the NRA and other gun rights groups far outweighs any money I will be spending on CFA or Dannon...

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When that conversation was had, he hadn't done anything. And then somebody took his mother's guns and shot twenty 6 and 7 year olds. Your rights have not been trampled on. You still have your guns, don't you? And you still have the right to own them? It's arguments like these that are the reason you guys have been your own worst enemy.
Being on public record as opposing civilian firearm ownership was enough for me, as were his comments about "working under the radar on GC"...

Seriously, anyone who does not believe that BHO planned on addressing firearms in his second term is a complete moron.
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Bull ****ing s***!
Y'know, sometimes that is simply the best, truest response of all.

This "appreciation day" is grotesque enough, coming one month after Sandy Hook. It is on a par with Westboro Baptist Church for extreme bad taste. And then for someone to defend the idea...and to try to draw bizarre analogies besides...

When was the last time a gay pride rally mowed down a classroom full of children?
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When was the last time a gay pride rally mowed down a classroom full of children?

Do u really want to make that analogy? Im sure if I look hard enough I could find several instances of gay people committing violent crimes...

Instead, once again I will point out that there are millions of these weapons out there. If they are so horrible and evil we would be having these killings once a month if not every day.

As I said before, they are like airplane crashes. Horrible to look at and read about but statistically insignificant.
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