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Old Jan 11, 2013, 08:28 PM   #1
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FACT: Most companies & the FDA don't care about your health.

Examples:

1) California's Proposition 37, a bill that would force companies to place a GMO label on their products if they contain genetically modified ingredients, was not passed into law because the big agricultural companies spent MILLIONS of dollars on advertising to get people to say no to Prop. 37. Their ad campaigns overinflated the cost of labeling, and they listed foods that would be exempt. Here's the thing. The cost of labelling is probably about 10% of what they said, and under the state Constitution, ballot initiatives can only cover 1 topic. So they had to allow some exceptions to the bill, one of them being genetically-modified animals, which I believe are rare, if they exist.
2) A doctor in Texas, Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski, created a wonderful drug to cure cancer. Unfortunately, because the big pharmaceutical companies have placed the FDA on a leash with big paychecks, he can't sell the drug outside Texas.
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Old Jan 11, 2013, 08:34 PM   #2
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Yeap. It works like that.
They create the crops they can sell, those crops just last one season and are you will need to buy the seeds again, and that is to say the least.

I am from Venezuela, and the food in Venezuela make you feel different, more aware and healthy. Why? because there people do not spend so much in additives and cows are grown in the natural way. I assume in other countries is the same thing.
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Old Jan 11, 2013, 09:00 PM   #3
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Hardly fact. Speculation and misinformation.

Hope you feel better having posted this, cause I know you hate big Ag and big Pharm as you have been instructed to do by your Party.

Your cancer cure...

'There is a scientific consensus that antineoplaston therapy is unproven and of little promise in treating cancer. Clinical trials initiated in 1993 and sponsored by the National Cancer Institute were closed due to inability to recruit qualifying patients, and a Mayo Clinic study found no benefit from antineoplaston treatment.[1] Some sixty phase 2 clinical trials and one Phase 3 trial have been registered by Burzynski since the mid-1990s, but no results have been published. The Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center has stated: "Bottom Line: There is no clear evidence to support the anticancer effects of antineoplastons in humans."[1]'

Clearly these institutions are all in the pocket of the pharmaceutical companies and trying to keep their treatments and drugs on the market instead of the miracle cure from Dr Quack in Texas.
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Old Jan 12, 2013, 03:23 AM   #5
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2) A doctor in Texas, Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski, created a wonderful drug to cure cancer. Unfortunately, because the big pharmaceutical companies have placed the FDA on a leash with big paychecks, he can't sell the drug outside Texas.
Not that I agree with all of the FDA's decisions - I think they're too conservative in approving some drugs and devices - but do you have any evidence to back up your statement? All drugs have to go through clinical trials to prove efficacy and safety, and Dr. B's "antineoplastons" haven't passed muster. Claiming that a cancer drug is effective because a patient lived longer than their doctor predicted they would doesn't count for much.
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Old Jan 12, 2013, 02:48 PM   #6
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Examples:

1) California's Proposition 37, a bill that would force companies to place a GMO label on their products if they contain genetically modified ingredients, was not passed into law because the big agricultural companies spent MILLIONS of dollars on advertising to get people to say no to Prop. 37. Their ad campaigns overinflated the cost of labeling, and they listed foods that would be exempt. Here's the thing. The cost of labelling is probably about 10% of what they said, and under the state Constitution, ballot initiatives can only cover 1 topic. So they had to allow some exceptions to the bill, one of them being genetically-modified animals, which I believe are rare, if they exist.
2) A doctor in Texas, Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski, created a wonderful drug to cure cancer. Unfortunately, because the big pharmaceutical companies have placed the FDA on a leash with big paychecks, he can't sell the drug outside Texas.
The two examples are not analogous. I agree with you that certain Agribusiness political activities are perfect examples of why corporations should not be allowed to have enormous political power.

The second example, Burzynski, is the subject of numerous entries in the "Quackometer" website:

http://www.quackometer.net/blog/?s=Burzynski

That should tell you something. In any case, the FDA is under constant pressure to approve drugs. Some of those drugs may in fact help some people. On the other hand, they may harm others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSAID

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rofecoxib

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Old Jan 12, 2013, 05:11 PM   #7
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As someone who lives in Europe where GM food is essentially unavailable due to protests I think it's fairly safe to say the whole anti-GM thing is a bit overdone.

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Hope you feel better having posted this, cause I know you hate big Ag and big Pharm as you have been instructed to do by your Party.
Which party is that? The green party?
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Old Jan 12, 2013, 10:50 PM   #8
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1. Unless you can accurately articulate exactly what the danger in GMO produce is, then you're nothing more than a mindless parrot that repeats everything he/she hears at "Whole Foods". This is no better than the Fruit-loops who say that vaccines cause autism.

2. Don't ever believe anyone who claims to have a "cure for cancer", because Cancer isn't a singular disease that can be cured by one drug. There are so many different forms of cancer, affecting just about every single body part and compartment. You can't treat Leukemia the same way you treat breast cancer, and you can't treat basal cell carcinoma the same way you treat recal cell carcinoma. It's foolish to think that a single drug could be a "Cure for cancer".


I think you need to educate yourself just a little bit about these topics. You seem quick to reach for the tin-foil.
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I'm not the one to enjoy a trip to the doctor or the hospital; There's long waits to get a doctor, there's long waits once you get your doctor and I'm usually in treatment from my own stupidity. But for ****s sake people, if you're sick beyond a common ailment go see a ****ing doctor. Even if you do have a common ailment, don't go to work or school hoping you'll get better, don't try ******** herbal remedies ( Even Osteopaths will tell you what they do is preventative and the ones who say otherwise you punch in the ****ing face), don't internet diagnose. No one wants what mutant sickness you have this time. If you've had it for a couple of days maybe that's a sign to see a doctor, they might even prescribe a couple of knockout pills to shut your ass up.

"Meeeeh, I just don't like doctors". Suck it the **** up. Coming from a Naturopathic family I've seen lots of excuses for not going to doctors and each and every single one of them makes you look like the biggest kind of *******. Herd Immunity means I don't have to immunize, Modern Medicine is a Scam, it takes too much time, it costs too much, I had a bad experience, I hate needles blah blah blah.

Herd immunity is ********, it only works when you're in a society with a pragmatic immunization scheme and you'll never know country your sorry ass is occupying in the future. Plus if everyone had your mentality there wouldn't be herd immunity for you to leech off like a ****ing parasite you dumb ****.

Yes modern medicines can be harsh and doctors have a tendency to prescribe pills but guess what retard? You can ask your doctor for an alternative treatment or to see a specialist. Pills not working or side effects too much? Have you told your doctor that? They might know that if you opened your mouth and stopped being a self centered little ****.

Going to see a doctor takes too much time? Do you know what else takes too much time? Being bed ridden because what seemed like a common sickness pwned your ****ing immune system. A low level infection, cold or flu left alone can lead to something that can cause permanent damage or kill you (to the immense relief of everyone around you). Then you'll have all the time in the world to actually do something positive in the world.

It costs too much? If you're the kind of **** that whines about this you probably can live without your precious caffeine or sugar for a while.

Had a bad experience? It's called life and I doubt anything you could have experienced at a doctor would lead to PTSD.

Scared of needles? Have you considered that when someone with a bachelor of knowing **** thinks they need a blood sample might be a hint that they need a blood sample? What? You're more important than years of medical research? Well aren't we just Mr important. I ****ing hate needles, my veins collapse with the vacuum tubes so the Phlebotomist has to get out this massive **** of syringe and extract the blood by hand but I still take it like a champ. Maybe this would be a good time to do some self improvement and get the **** over needles. Maybe it'll lead on to other good things in your miserable piece of **** of a life.

...and I'm not entirely sure how to finish this, so go kill yourself.
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Old Jan 12, 2013, 11:29 PM   #11
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All very true- the first thing I say to my doctor if I don't feel right is, "No ****ing pills unless 100% necessary." For most things, there is usually an alternative. But the alternatives require work.
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