Go Back   MacRumors Forums > Apple Hardware > Desktops > iMac

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Jan 12, 2013, 08:05 PM   #1
Mac_i_Am
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Macworld's 2012 iMac results

Macworld printed the results of the new BTO 27" iMac (27-inch iMac/3.4GHz Core i7 1TB Fusion Drive, 16GB RAM).

Is it me or is the new imac not as fast as it should be. Or is the 15" MBP-r a real beast? (How can a laptop perform so close to a desktop??)

Kinda disappointing in the results since I have a nearly identical imac coming my way. Now i'm tempted to get the MBP + a proper monitor (esp. with the screen issues)

LINK: http://www.macworld.com/article/2025...d-results.html

what say yall?
Mac_i_Am is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 12, 2013, 08:09 PM   #2
FlatlinerG
macrumors 6502a
 
FlatlinerG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Prince Edward Island, Canada
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac_i_Am View Post
Macworld printed the results of the new BTO 27" iMac (27-inch iMac/3.4GHz Core i7 1TB Fusion Drive, 16GB RAM).

Is it me or is the new imac not as fast as it should be. Or is the 15" MBP-r a real beast? (How can a laptop perform so close to a desktop??)

Kinda disappointing in the results since I have a nearly identical imac coming my way. Now i'm tempted to get the MBP + a proper monitor (esp. with the screen issues)

LINK: http://www.macworld.com/article/2025...d-results.html

what say yall?

I think the reason that the two perform so closely is based on the footprint. There really isn't much room behind the monitor on the new iMacs, so much so that they are starting to mimic hardware in portables.
__________________
Late 2011 MBP 13"
2TB Time Capsule, 2nd Gen AppleTV
16GB Black iPhone 5, 32GB Black iPad 2
...and many more.
FlatlinerG is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 12, 2013, 08:14 PM   #3
Mac_i_Am
Thread Starter
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlatlinerG View Post
I think the reason that the two perform so closely is based on the footprint. There really isn't much room behind the monitor on the new iMacs, so much so that they are starting to mimic hardware in portables.
That sounds about right.
Guess the imac is but a laptop with a bigger screen.. even the 27". :shake-head:

Oh, the $1799 (2.9GHz) imac was quite a bit faster then the (3.2GHz) $1999... haha this is getting sad.
Mac_i_Am is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 12, 2013, 08:15 PM   #4
WilliamG
macrumors 601
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Seattle
That's just silly. First, the hard drive difference seemed to affect all their testing. My i7 iMac came with the Seagate, so it seems to be a lottery as to what drive you get.

Second, they didn't even get an iMac with the high-end 680MX 2GB card.

Third, all these systems are VERY fast, so who cares anymore?

Guess what? The rMBP has a very small screen in comparison to the 27" iMac.
__________________
iMac, MacBook Air, Mac mini, iPad, iPhone, 55-11
www.bighugenerd.com
WilliamG is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 12, 2013, 08:29 PM   #5
Mac_i_Am
Thread Starter
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Quote:
Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post
That's just silly. First, the hard drive difference seemed to affect all their testing. My i7 iMac came with the Seagate, so it seems to be a lottery as to what drive you get.
Do i understand you correctly that not all imac have the same hard drive? Well then that is plain silly (read: sad) b/c arent all the buyers paying the same to get the same machine?

Quote:
Second, they didn't even get an iMac with the high-end 680MX 2GB card.
I assume they didn't test the MBP w/ the high-end card.
Oh wait, it only comes with one option.

Quote:
Third, all these systems are VERY fast, so who cares anymore?
B/c one (rightly) assumes a bigger computer is also faster.

Quote:
Guess what? The rMBP has a very small screen in comparison to the 27" iMac.
One consolation is the MBP-r is damn expensive!
Mac_i_Am is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 12, 2013, 08:34 PM   #6
forty2j
macrumors 68030
 
forty2j's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: NJ
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlatlinerG View Post
I think the reason that the two perform so closely is based on the footprint. There really isn't much room behind the monitor on the new iMacs, so much so that they are starting to mimic hardware in portables.
You DO know that the iMac uses desktop CPUs, right?

The rMBP is able to compete due to the full SSD.
__________________
 2012 iMac 3.2GHz 27" 680MX Fusion  iPhone 6  Apple TV 2  iPad Air 
forty2j is offline   3 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 12, 2013, 09:06 PM   #7
turtlez
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
By lab test do they mean their grade 2 classroom?

Anyone who thinks the laptop is faster than the desktop is bonkers
turtlez is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 12, 2013, 09:53 PM   #8
FlatlinerG
macrumors 6502a
 
FlatlinerG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Prince Edward Island, Canada
Quote:
Originally Posted by forty2j View Post
You DO know that the iMac uses desktop CPUs, right?

The rMBP is able to compete due to the full SSD.
Of course I do.

Also to say that the reason is due to the SSD isn't quite complete either. There are many tests that show Fusion drives performing almost on par with SSD's. Are they as good, no. Are they pretty close, yup.
__________________
Late 2011 MBP 13"
2TB Time Capsule, 2nd Gen AppleTV
16GB Black iPhone 5, 32GB Black iPad 2
...and many more.
FlatlinerG is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 12, 2013, 09:53 PM   #9
beeinformed
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
I am quoting from a paragraph from the Macworld article:

"Both iMacs include 7200-rpm, 1TB SATA-3 hard drives, but the drives in these two iMacs we received are not identical—and neither were their performance scores. Our $1999 iMac has a Western Digital WD10EALX Caviar Blue drive with 32MB of cache. Our $1799 iMac has a Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 hard drive with 64MB of cache—twice the cache of the WD, and the advantage of the larger cache is evident in our test results."

According to this article, the $1799 iMac's hard drive has 64 MB of cache as compared to the $1999 model, whose hard drive has 32 MB of cache.

I wondering why Apple would this choose type of faster hard drive in the less expensive ($1799) version? Any thoughts?
beeinformed is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 12, 2013, 11:06 PM   #10
pubjoe
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Apple use drives from either Seagate or WD in all imacs. It has nothing to do with which model it is. I don't know why the reviewer bothered benchmarking (and focusing so much on) the HDD to be honest. It just causes confusion.

The Seagate drive is an excellent HDD, but it's luck if you get one or not. Then again, it won't be very noticable in real world use - even less so if you have a fusion drive.

Void review.
pubjoe is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 12, 2013, 11:21 PM   #11
bdbolin
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
I'll say this:

I couldn't be happier with my iMac. For an all in one, it's the fastest desktop computer I've ever used. I use heavy website design/dev applications daily and it runs like a beast. I had a MBP 2010 I believe it was. No comparison.

3tb. Epic. Fusion. Epic. 27" Epic. i7 Epic. 680MX Beyond Epic!!!
bdbolin is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 12, 2013, 11:22 PM   #12
WilliamDu
macrumors member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by beeinformed View Post
I am quoting from a paragraph from the Macworld article:

"Both iMacs include 7200-rpm, 1TB SATA-3 hard drives, but the drives in these two iMacs we received are not identical—and neither were their performance scores. Our $1999 iMac has a Western Digital WD10EALX Caviar Blue drive with 32MB of cache. Our $1799 iMac has a Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 hard drive with 64MB of cache—twice the cache of the WD, and the advantage of the larger cache is evident in our test results."

According to this article, the $1799 iMac's hard drive has 64 MB of cache as compared to the $1999 model, whose hard drive has 32 MB of cache.

I wondering why Apple would this choose type of faster hard drive in the less expensive ($1799) version? Any thoughts?
If MacWorld's facts are widely true . . .

Same reason the 21" is closed to adding RAM, and other disappointing stuff:

Apple rushed this one;

or a senior decision maker had his head where the sun don't shine;

or Apple may, just may be slipping a tad
WilliamDu is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 12, 2013, 11:42 PM   #13
formel1
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Germany
I also have the Seagate in the 27" iMac.
But it runs on 3 Gigabit....why not as 6 Gigabit

The SSD runs at 6 Gigabit....
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Seagate.jpg
Views:	11
Size:	18.6 KB
ID:	389937   Click image for larger version

Name:	SSD.jpg
Views:	6
Size:	19.8 KB
ID:	389938  
formel1 is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 13, 2013, 12:21 AM   #14
EPiCDiNGO
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Exclamation

Quote:
Originally Posted by formel1 View Post
I also have the Seagate in the 27" iMac.
But it runs on 3 Gigabit....why not as 6 Gigabit

The SSD runs at 6 Gigabit....
I am so upset about this Apple need to fix this ASAP!
__________________
2010 Macbook Pro i5 2.4GHz 8GB ram 256 SSD
iPhone 4 Black 32GB
iPad 2 32GB Black
Soon to buy 2012 27" iMac
EPiCDiNGO is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 13, 2013, 01:35 AM   #15
WilliamG
macrumors 601
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Seattle
Quote:
Originally Posted by formel1 View Post
I also have the Seagate in the 27" iMac.
But it runs on 3 Gigabit....why not as 6 Gigabit

The SSD runs at 6 Gigabit....
Quote:
Originally Posted by EPiCDiNGO View Post
I am so upset about this Apple need to fix this ASAP!
Seriously? Why are you upset about this? It's not as if the drive can even saturate a SATA II / 3 Gigabit connection anyway! e.g. I had an OCZ Vertex 120GB in my 2009 iMac (SATA II), and I got around 225MB/s read and around 200MB/s writes. The Seagate gets what... 170MB/s read/write? Why do we need SATA III for it?

People will find anything to complain about.

A more valid complaint is the random nature of the 1TB drive in these iMacs. I'm fortunate enough to have gotten the 1TB Seagate model in my 2012 27" i7 iMac, and not the slower Western Digital.
__________________
iMac, MacBook Air, Mac mini, iPad, iPhone, 55-11
www.bighugenerd.com
WilliamG is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 13, 2013, 02:24 AM   #16
FreemanW
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: The Real Northern California
Quote:
Originally Posted by pubjoe View Post
Apple use drives from either Seagate or WD in all imacs. It has nothing to do with which model it is. I don't know why the reviewer bothered benchmarking (and focusing so much on) the HDD to be honest. It just causes confusion.

The Seagate drive is an excellent HDD, but it's luck if you get one or not. Then again, it won't be very noticable in real world use - even less so if you have a fusion drive.

Void review.
Maybe the reviewer was practicing for Huffington Post reviews?
__________________
iMac, iPad, iPhone, TimeCapsule x 2
FreemanW is offline   0 Reply With Quote

Reply
MacRumors Forums > Apple Hardware > Desktops > iMac

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Similar Threads
thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Macworld Speedmark 9 results MCAsan MacBook Pro 0 Jan 9, 2014 07:18 AM
2012 MBA Maverick Battery Results kage207 MacBook Air 0 Nov 9, 2013 11:55 PM
2012 Elections: Results MegaThread™ Blue Velvet Politics, Religion, Social Issues 515 Nov 10, 2012 10:09 PM
2012 MacBook Pro GT650m results florianuhlemann MacBook Pro 0 Jul 19, 2012 12:50 PM
2012 MBA USB 3.0 DiskSpeedTest Results dmk1974 MacBook Air 2 Jun 21, 2012 02:03 PM

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:59 PM.

Mac Rumors | Mac | iPhone | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Mobile Version | Fixed | Fluid | Fluid HD
Copyright 2002-2013, MacRumors.com, LLC