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Old Jan 14, 2013, 11:14 AM   #26
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I love how it looks. Now I can not afford one nor do I fit in Corvettes but love how it looks.
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Old Jan 14, 2013, 11:31 AM   #27
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So how does a 7 speed manual work? When going from 2-3, you don't apply any horizontal pressure and let the centering springs do their work to guide you into 3rd, when doing 4-5, you push it to the right and up.

Seems like it would be easy to accidentally go from 2-5, since there's no longer a 'center' and I'd imagine in a sports car, the throws are short so it's not like there's a wide gap, making 3rd easy to find.
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Old Jan 14, 2013, 11:40 AM   #28
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So how does a 7 speed manual work? When going from 2-3, you don't apply any horizontal pressure and let the centering springs do their work to guide you into 3rd, when doing 4-5, you push it to the right and up.

Seems like it would be easy to accidentally go from 2-5, since there's no longer a 'center' and I'd imagine in a sports car, the throws are short so it's not like there's a wide gap, making 3rd easy to find.
Here is a picture of the gearshift. It looks like 7th gear is where reverse was on the C6 Corvette and reverse is now below 7.

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It'll be a joyous day when GM finally ditches the pushrod motor. 450 HP from over 6 liters is just embarrassing. It'll probably have the same pathetic 7,000 RPM red line as now. That's a truck motor.

Of course, the real joy will be when Chevrolet moves the engine to its proper place behind the driver. I believe that's inevitable while at the same time I'm not holding my breath.
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Old Jan 14, 2013, 11:52 AM   #30
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It'll be a joyous day when GM finally ditches the pushrod motor. 450 HP from over 6 liters is just embarrassing. It'll probably have the same pathetic 7,000 RPM red line as now. That's a truck motor.

Of course, the real joy will be when Chevrolet moves the engine to its proper place behind the driver. I believe that's inevitable while at the same time I'm not holding my breath.
Go back to the last page and read my rant. Why do you give a crap about the displacement? Who cares? The LT1 is physically compact compared to Mercedes 6.2 liter V8. I'm sick and tired of people harping on stupid things. And HP/liter is completely stupid..... Only ricers use it to to prove something about their riced out Civic is better than a Corvette. It's like James May in the episode of Top Gear that compared the M3, C63, and RS4 and he took a measuring tape to the cars interior to prove something was better in his RS4 and determined that the RS4's steering wheel is bigger. That is how stupid HP/liter is.

And there is nothing wrong with the engine being front mounted. It helps keep the weight distribution as close to 50/50.
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Old Jan 14, 2013, 12:05 PM   #31
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Here is a picture of the gearshift. It looks like 7th gear is where reverse was on the C6 Corvette and reverse is now below 7.

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So what's stopping you from accidentally going from 4-7 when you want to go 4-5? Seems like it would be very easy to mis-shift.
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Old Jan 14, 2013, 12:08 PM   #32
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So what's stopping you from accidentally going from 4-7 when you want to go 4-5? Seems like it would be very easy to mis-shift.
Not sure. I don't have much experience with manuals myself. You will have to get in one to find out. Porsche also has a 7 speed manual as well.
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Old Jan 14, 2013, 12:19 PM   #33
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It's not too bad. Still like the interior design of the previous model more, but at least the rear is a little better (other than the headlights, I've never been a fan of the Corvette's rear-end).

Still would take a GT-R over it, though. Just personal preference, wish the GT-R came in stick shift as well.
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Old Jan 14, 2013, 12:39 PM   #34
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I think it looks ok, especially the rear.
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Go back to the last page and read my rant.
Again? I'll pass.

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Why do you give a crap about the displacement? Who cares? The LT1 is physically compact compared to Mercedes 6.2 liter V8.
I care because I like the high revving nature of overhead cam engines and I like efficiency. I couldn't care less about package size, that an LS engine has smaller cylinder heads than an OHC engine. BFD.

And you are correct that there's nothing "wrong" with the engine being in front, especially if you've got a truck engine up there.
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Old Jan 14, 2013, 01:01 PM   #36
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I care because I like the high revving nature of overhead cam engines and I like efficiency. I couldn't care less about package size, that an LS engine has smaller cylinder heads than an OHC engine. BFD.

And you are correct that there's nothing "wrong" with the engine being in front, especially if you've got a truck engine up there.
Efficiency in what way? Fuel efficiency? The Corvette is one of the most fuel efficient sports cars in its class. If you like high revving engines, than fine that is your taste, but to attack a car because it has an OHV engine is absurd. Just say something along, " The Corvette is an amazing car, I wouldn't buy one since I like engines that rev higher, but still an amazing car" Give credit where credit is due.

Many people here may not buy a Corvette or would buy a competitor( such as the GT-R as mentioned) because it doesn't suit their taste/preferences, but they won't knock the Corvette or make stupid comments like, " only 450 HP from a 6.2 liter engine?". As I stated, there are pro's and cons of both engine designs. There is nothing wrong with either design in a sports car. It just comes down to what you prefer.

And the LT1 is not a truck engine. All Small Blocks are derived from the Corvette engine, not the other way around.
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Efficiency in what way?
HP per liter efficiency. Duh. Getting the most possible power from a given displacement.

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Just say something along, " The Corvette is an amazing car, I wouldn't buy one since I like engines that rev higher, but still an amazing car" Give credit where credit is due.
I don't think the Corvette is an amazing car. It's the product of 50 years of evolution and refinement and it does offer decent performance for the price, but there's nothing special about it. 6 months after this new model hits the streets you won't be able to drive a mile without seeing one. When it's 10 years old, it'll have depreciated to a fraction of its original price and nobody will look twice at it. It's the McDonalds Happy Meal of sports cars.
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Old Jan 14, 2013, 01:40 PM   #38
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GM took full advantage of all the bailout money POTUS gave them.

Funneling it to the Bowling Green facility, the results are impressive. The enthusiasts love what GM did with our money

Then there's the lies & con job called the "Volt... Electric Car" that had a gasoline engine hidden under the hood. After enough of that hypocrisy, I swore off GM, sold my CTS-V Coupe & replaced it with a new M-6.

Sad how power & influence corrupts.
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Old Jan 14, 2013, 01:42 PM   #39
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Then there's the lies & con job called the "Volt... Electric Car" that had a gasoline engine hidden under the hood. After enough of that hypocrisy, I swore off GM, sold my CTS-V Coupe & replaced it with a new M-6.
There was no lie or con job about the Volt. GM always called it an Extended Range electric vehicle. GM made zero attempt to hide the fact that it had a gas generator on board( I would prefer a diesel generator though ).
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Hate it. Too many lines, not enough curves.
Yep- and I'm sorry, it's not a Stingray without covered headlights. It's just not.
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Old Jan 14, 2013, 01:46 PM   #41
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Best looking Corvette ever. I don't care too much for earlier models. The cockpit alone in this car is a selling point.
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Old Jan 14, 2013, 01:49 PM   #42
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Yep- and I'm sorry, it's not a Stingray without covered headlights. It's just not.
I believe flip up headlights are illegal now hence why they have died off in use. Not to mention how ugly it looks when they are up and if one malfunctioned and didn't flip up and the other did....

I'm personally glad GM stepped away from some Corvette design "traditions". The car still looks like a 'Vette, but it's so much better now.
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I believe flip up headlights are illegal now hence why they have died off in use. Not to mention how ugly it looks when they are up and if one malfunctioned and didn't flip up and the other did....

I'm personally glad GM stepped away from some Corvette design "traditions". The car still looks like a 'Vette, but it's so much better now.
Not illegal, simply not being used at the moment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_headlamps
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Not illegal, simply not being used at the moment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_headlamps
Ah ok. Still, I'm glad they are not used anymore.

Once the "traditionalists" calm down from the outrage of breaking some "traditions", this 'Vette should go down as one of the best designed out of the 'Vette's 60 year history. People had a fit when the C6 debuted without the flip up headlights, but that has since gone away mostly.
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I'm personally glad GM stepped away from some Corvette design "traditions". The car still looks like a 'Vette, but it's so much better now.

I don't think it does resemble a Vette anymore. A vette should be timeless the way most think of them. Stepping away from the "traditions" has made it look like the engineering teams are sharing designs.

Only car I can say that is timeless and never looses it's origin is the porsche. I am not a fan of Porsche, but you can look at one today, and 20 years ago from 100 yards away and call it.

This, you can't.
My father was a huge lover of the Corvette- he had a few in his day, but his favorite was the 79' I think. Don't know what he would think of them today tbh.
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I don't think it does resemble a Vette anymore. A vette should be timeless the way most think of them. Stepping away from the "traditions" has made it look like the engineering teams are sharing designs
Only the rear really is a huge departure of traditional 'Vette's going to square taillights vs round, more angular, etc. The front and side profile still says 'Vette, IMHO.
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4 gates in the shifter could be tricky. Plus, "R" should really be on it's on gate. I could see accidentally shifting from 7th to Reverse. Ouch.
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4 gates in the shifter could be tricky. Plus, "R" should really be on it's on gate. I could see accidentally shifting from 7th to Reverse. Ouch.
I saw that too.
I drive a six speed manual, but reverse is over and up left.
I have never seen it down right like that.
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4 gates in the shifter could be tricky. Plus, "R" should really be on it's on gate. I could see accidentally shifting from 7th to Reverse. Ouch.
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I saw that too.
I drive a six speed manual, but reverse is over and up left.
I have never seen it down right like that.
Most sticks have a button of some sort in order to prevent shifting in reverse. You need to press the button for it to shift into reverse.
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Go back to the last page and read my rant. Why do you give a crap about the displacement? Who cares? The LT1 is physically compact compared to Mercedes 6.2 liter V8. I'm sick and tired of people harping on stupid things. And HP/liter is completely stupid..... Only ricers use it to to prove something about their riced out Civic is better than a Corvette. It's like James May in the episode of Top Gear that compared the M3, C63, and RS4 and he took a measuring tape to the cars interior to prove something was better in his RS4 and determined that the RS4's steering wheel is bigger. That is how stupid HP/liter is.

And there is nothing wrong with the engine being front mounted. It helps keep the weight distribution as close to 50/50.
You have no idea what you are talking about.... A front mounted engine does not help keep 50/50 weight distribution, there is a reason why some of the best cars in the world have mid mounted engines, its also the reason alot of front mounted engines have the gearbox in the back. Also displacement vs Power Does matter, its all about volumetric efficiency, something the old pushrod Chevy engine is pathetic at. Give me a 5L quad OHC V8 with a supercharger anyday.
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