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Old Jan 16, 2013, 09:26 AM   #126
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To be fair... Apple doesn't really "invent" anything. They just take something and massage it into a spectacular product. They successfully rebooted the smartphone, tablet, MP3 player, etc.

It's all about execution. Apple has a knack for that.

But to get back to your question... you could ask that about any company.
Do your homework before you make such a broad statement. They did invent Firewire and Sudden Motion Sensor for the hard drives in their laptops and they hold patents for both technologies.
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 10:45 AM   #127
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Don't they call that the Ballmer Principle now?
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 10:58 AM   #128
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Are you talk in about the RIM company that lost almost three quarters of it's market share, layed of thousands of staff last year to stay afloat and is still in financial trouble now? Yeah that's a good role model...
Oh and that pile of cash means nothing, it prolongs that pain, go and read articles from real stock market analysts and experts, from what I've read they don't have a lot of trust in Apple at present...
Good point.

So by that metric... a ton of other companies can't be trusted either. Would you bet that LG, HTC, Motorola or RIM will come up with the next game-changing product?

Apple has revolutionized at least 3 markets in the last decade.

If Apple can't do it again... who else will?
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 11:02 AM   #129
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Apple has revolutionized at least 3 markets in the last decade.

If Apple can't do it again... who else will?
Dell? *snicker*
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 11:09 AM   #130
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Do your homework before you make such a broad statement. They did invent Firewire and Sudden Motion Sensor for the hard drives in their laptops and they hold patents for both technologies.
I know Apple invented Firewire.

My point was... they didn't invent the MP3 player, nor the smartphone, nor the tablet.

You should have guessed I was talking about particular product categories... and not certain features.

Firewire is a feature... not a product.

I'm not knocking Firewire... I actually have a few old Firewire drives. And yes... I know they invented it.

Maybe I should have said "Apple doesn't really invent any product categories"

But deep down you knew what I meant
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 11:38 AM   #131
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It's not like people don't leave companies. There's probably been several Microsoft exec's that have either been fired recently or resigned. Some from Dell, probably a lot from Sony (), it's just that Apple is the most popular media company worldwide and since they are so high profile there will be news about their staff.
Oh, I totally agree. I work for a Fortune 500 company and we see the execs leaving too.

Regardless, its still interesting to see how many of the high level exces are leaving the company.
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 11:42 AM   #132
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What's all the fuzz about? I think it's quite normal that staff rotates especially in major companies like Apple.

You can't work at this level without being fully committed, and those of you working the long hours understand the impact it has on family and relationships. At the end of the day it's only your job, and Apple / your workplace will be there tomorrow no matter how important you are today.
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 02:34 PM   #133
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Where to start with this BS! Samsung don't innovate? Who came up with 90% of the stuff in your iToy's? It sure as hell wasn't Apple. Who has 1000's of people working in R&D to make components smaller and more efficient, it sure as hell ain't Apple.
I'll disagree that it's not coming from Apple. Since the A4, Apple has done much of the design for the SoC. They've used a reference design, modded the hell out of it, and let Samsung fab it for them. The A6 was a complete custom design by Apple. They've pulled a ton of off the shelf parts (that are available to other vendors so call it a wash). The retina and high-resolution phone/tablet displays that we all enjoy have no doubt been sped along through Apple's funding. They've since been surpassed, but pre-iPhone, most smartphones had really crappy screens.

Not to mention that Apple built an entire operating system to run on the device, and built a surrounding ecosystem full of apps.

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If Samsung, LG, Sharpe etc were not innovators then none of the improvements you have seen over the past 10 years in the Mac would have happened. Apple didn't develop and the new screens we see today.

The only thing since Firewire Apple have truly been at the fore front of has been Thunderflop. There is a lesson there. The two technologies Apple has serious input on have flopped.
I'm actually going to partially agree with you. There are innovations coming out all across the technology industry. Some are coming from Apple, some from Samsung, some from Intel, Qualcomm, etc. Many of these components have already been built and are simply off the shelf parts for Apple, Samsung, and whomever to pick and pull.

But there are 2 main areas that I have a real issue with the argument that "Samsung innovates and Apple doesn't".

First is that cramming every single feature into a phone doesn't necessarily equal innovation. For instance NFC, I think, is a solution in search of a problem. I'm not saying that it doesn't have it's uses, but it's not a necessity in a phone. Wireless charging is another feature. Fortunately, consumers have a choice. To this point, if NFC and wireless charging are deal-breakers, Apple is more than willing to lose you as a customer. Apple has decided to focus on a few features and build the heck out of their phones at the cost of limiting the number of models it sells. Samsung has decided to offer dozens of phones, each with a slightly different feature set (with different Operating Systems) and release a new "flagship" phone every few months.

And while I prefer Apple's offerings to Samsung's, I can't say that Samsung is wrong in their approach to a product matrix. The biggest issue I have with Samsung is their marketing, saying that people are stupid (sheep) to choose a competitor's product. And I take issue with die-hards in both camps, assuming the other is wrong.

The second issue I have with the whole innovation argument is that Apple is good at some things but not others. They can design some really nice stuff, but they don't have the capability to build everything they make. They don't make displays, they don't fab their own semiconductors, etc. But they have a s***-ton of money. And a lot of that money goes into parts supplies, including research and development.

Apple doesn't make the retina displays for the Macs, but I'd be willing to bet that Apple approached Sharp and LG and said something like, "Hey, Sharp. We've been doing some thinking, and we want these same size displays, but at double the pixel density." The execs at Sharp said, "Well, it's going to cost a lot of money for us to come up with the technology. We are going to need to do some R&D, we have to come up with a new process and build a new fab." Apple pulled out its checkbook and said, "Then let's get to work."
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 03:05 PM   #134
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Hmm. The reorganizing continues. I don't think this is a cause for panic or to question Tim Cook's abilities...yet. How about we wait and see what happens?

This guy could have been a good #2, but that's it. Not #1 material. I can guess that the jobs are not the same.Being a great worker and a leader are two very, very different things. After 15 years in the military, I learned that lesson well.

If it was in-fact a bad breakup, I would love to have been a fly on the wall when he tells Tim: "well, f-you, then. I'm out!"

But we don't reeeally know why he's out..Was he another Forstall, maybe? Could he be telling the truth? Is he sick as well? Nope, it's more fun to think Tim sucks.
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 03:45 PM   #135
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So Tim Cook had a VP with 12 years of experience but he chose to go with browett? I would be offended. It only took one year for Tim Cook to destroy Apple. Brilliant!
In the meantime Cook in 2011 garnered over $350 million in compensation...
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 04:17 PM   #136
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As for Genius Bar performance, it has lagged because of 2 things:

1. They no longer keep the 10 minute rule.
2. Talented staff are scarce. Training is insufficient and coupled with poor hiring ie. cheap teens to fill the expansion rate, it won't get any better.

When one experiences the hiring process, you will fully understand why the retail atmosphere has disappeared.

My recommendation to get a decent Genius appointment is to stack more than 1 together. It also helps to know when the server refreshes the appointment schedule.

It is amusing to hear specialists spout scripted information 5 weeks late. It reveals the poor team structure and lack of leadership in the stores.
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 05:39 PM   #137
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Good point.

So by that metric... a ton of other companies can't be trusted either. Would you bet that LG, HTC, Motorola or RIM will come up with the next game-changing product?

Apple has revolutionized at least 3 markets in the last decade.

If Apple can't do it again... who else will?
Well clearly Apple hasn't 'revolutionised' anything for several years? It has simply made a product people want, but then done nothing else, and now it will pay the price.
I doubt ANY of these company's will launch the next 'big' thing, but Sony and Microsoft WILL this year with the new Playstation 4 and Xbox 720, as far as the public is concerned these WILL be the next big thing in sales and press and public attention.
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 06:29 PM   #138
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It has simply made a product people want, but then done nothing else, and now it will pay the price.
Isn't having a product people want THE biggest part of running a business? So many other companies barely have one product that is a moderate success.

Apple has many.

Sure... Apple may never revolutionize a market segment ever again... but at least they have products people want, and they sell a ton of them.

Other companies may not revolutionize a market either... but they also don't have monster sales to fall back on.

You say Apple will pay the price for making a product people want... but they've done nothing else...

What about the companies who don't have a product people want?
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 07:04 PM   #139
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So. No chance that there are health issues in his family that prevented him from assuming more responsibility in the first place and have further deteriorated so he does actually have to leave, being human and all. No. Apple is stuffed and it's all (insert name)'s fault.

Best wishes to Jerry and thanks for all the hard work.
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 08:20 PM   #140
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AAPL completely rebounded.

Perhaps they should just keep "allowing people to leave" the retail department.
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 08:27 PM   #141
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If I was a person who still had shares in Apple, I would be jumping ship about now.
I believe you. That's exactly what they want you to do, and an incredibly bad idea, if you knew anything about the market.
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 08:36 PM   #142
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You come here after a two plus year absence to post that crap? Why? With all the trolls flocking to MR of late, this site will need a bigger bridge.
And you are...who again?

Funny you felt the need to check my posting history.

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Old Jan 16, 2013, 08:42 PM   #143
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It's very upsetting to see so many people coming on this website to trash Apple. I just want to set a few things straight.
1. People saying that Apple is on a downwards path and is losing its edge. FALSE. Tim Cook is no Steve Jobs, but he is definitely not anywhere near as bad as you all make him seem. In fact, there are many people who say Tim Cook is taking Apple to places where Steve didn't. Steve himself had been training Cook for many many years. Also Apple is selling products like no other company even if people think they are only getting incremental updates. Remember, Apple didn't release a revolutionary product every year when Steve was alive. They kept adding more updates and specs to the existing product to perfect it. An example of this is the iPod. Every generation added just 1 or 2 new features. The iPhone 3G to 3GS - only new significant update was a video recorder and faster speeds
2. People must understand that the Apple stock is completely different from Apple the company. The stock at the moment is very volatile and not doing well, but that's temporary. If you look at previous years of Apples stock, it's happened before. We have come to think that because its APPLE nothing can go wrong. That's false, it's normal for things to go wrong and that's the beauty of it. It shows the company is not a perfect robot but a company run by humans. As a company, Apples fundamentals are as strong as ever. Steve instilled them into EVERY worker, and those who couldn't maintain these fundamentals were removed like we've seen happen. Change is good. In all honesty, Scott Forstall was probably the only "important" person fired from Apple. But as stated in many articles, he was not a collaborator. He was more of a dictator and wouldn't be open to others opinions. Many other workers at Apple felt the same. In fact, people in Silicon Valley cheered at the news of his departure. Heck, Jony Ive was put in charge of iOS... JONY IVE! The man in charge of the beautiful design of the Apple products we use on a daily basis, and the man responsible alongside Steve with the success of Apple.
Overall nothing at Apple has changed besides a few management shakeups. It's as strong as ever and Apple under Cook will go places Steve didn't manage to. And for you worried about the future of Apple, Steve left a roadmap of products for years to come. Don't believe me? In Walter Isaacsons interview with Jony Ive inside the design lab, Jony told him that in that lab there was technology for the next 3 years. Meaning that in the lab they were already working on future products.
Quoting that because anyone interested in what is really happening needs to see it. Further, anyone who really believes (as opposed to the trolls and FUDsters) that what is going on with aapl's stock price is related to aapl's products or financial success, they need to read the following (a somewhat simplified and whitewashed version of the stock manipulation which has been occurring, and which is facilitated by bloggers and posters all over the internet):

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1002...-on-january-18
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Old Jan 17, 2013, 12:32 AM   #144
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AAPL completely rebounded.

Perhaps they should just keep "allowing people to leave" the retail department.
It's above 700 again?

Hitting 506 isn't a "complete rebound"....
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Old Jan 17, 2013, 02:22 AM   #145
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So Tim Cook had a VP with 12 years of experience but he chose to go with browett? I would be offended. It only took one year for Tim Cook to destroy Apple. Brilliant!
It could be that or it could just be a combination of things. Lack of a promotion might make the time away from his family no longer worth it.

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Jonny Ive said he used to get upset when Steve Jobs took credit for some of his inventions.
That is kind of silly. He didn't personally invent anything. Engineers and designers deserve far more of the recognition.

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It's above 700 again?

Hitting 506 isn't a "complete rebound"....
It rebounded from the low it hit in the last day. That doesn't mean it couldn't drop again. Your $450 prediction may still come true.
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Old Jan 17, 2013, 05:54 AM   #146
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Jim Bean, a VP of Finance at Apple, will be moving to the retail division.

Thoughts?
Nice call Scrip.
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And you are...who again?

Funny you felt the need to check my posting history.
Well, to be fair it's pretty obvious something is fishy when you joined 10 years ago and still have a newbie status...
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Old Jan 17, 2013, 07:28 AM   #148
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In the meantime Cook in 2011 garnered over $350 million in compensation...
No he didn't.

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That is kind of silly. He didn't personally invent anything. Engineers and designers deserve far more of the recognition.
I've isn't a designer and doesn't have any engineering skills? Or were you referring to Jobs?
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No he didn't.
Well, don't let facts get in the way of your biased baseless opinion:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...k-options.html
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Old Jan 17, 2013, 12:19 PM   #150
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So Tim Cook had a VP with 12 years of experience but he chose to go with browett? I would be offended. It only took one year for Tim Cook to destroy Apple. Brilliant!
Agreed... and unlike those sensitive troll apple fanboys and girls... I do see all sides of this massive picture. But yeah let's all imagine we're small insignificant beings compared to massive GOD like creatures... sorry I mean TITANS in the industry like Steve Jobs and apparently according to the sensitive fanboys and girls, Tim Cook....

Phew I tremble in the presence of those majestic beings who stand up for Apple, nay! Those who would tattoo the seal of approval on their forehead, those who would have an argument with their dying mother about how amazing Apple is, those who would DIE in the name of Jobs, Cook and image of Apple...

Get a grip people... it's just a company, just people, no one at Apple is perfect, they are just as pathetic when they break wind as you and make just as many dumb mistakes as you.. only difference is, people like you still buy the mistakes they make...

Like Shatner said it... "GET A LIFE, PEOPLE!"
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