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Old Jan 20, 2013, 11:20 PM   #201
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Because the company's financials are not declining. It's not a 1:1 relationship when it comes to AAPL. All indications are that Apple has a monster qtr, but "unnamed sources" are driving the stock down.

If apples numbers on Wednesday justify the drop in stock price, then ok. But there's no indication that that's the case other than these unnamed sources.

Att said they had a record qtr for iPhones.

Verizon says that had a "higher mix" of iPhones sold in the qtr

Apple sold five million phones in three days in the US

Apple sold two million phones (without China mobile) in three days in China

Apple had the fastest rollout in their history for the iPhone 5

The mini is a huge hit as verified by apple

With all these confirmed sources, why is the stock down?

Like I said, if they start reporting declines in sales, revenues, profits then yes it's time to worry. But apple may be the only company in the planet that can make 8 billion dollars/qtr and still be a "miss"
Stocks are not priced on what the company did yesterday. Instead, they are priced based upon what one expects will happen in the future. That is why stock indexes are treated as leading indicators. Generally, the time frame is thought to be around 6 months, or two calendar quarters.

Clearly, as of late, many investors think Apple will be unable to continue growing profits at its recent pace. Each factor you cite is insufficient to make Apple investors think that tomorrow will be more profitable than yesterday.
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Old Jan 20, 2013, 11:30 PM   #202
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President Obama and his team are doing just fine fixing the economy.
Really? List ten things they've done to fix the economy. List three. List things that a bipartisan sample of the population would agree on.
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Old Jan 20, 2013, 11:32 PM   #203
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The comic ? no. The comic used the word googol, a representation of a very big number.
Googol is an actual word :
I stand corrected - it's googol, One followed by a hundred zeros. The comic came out nearly 40 years ago so it was hard to remember ...

Still, I wonder if the REAL source was a Richie Rich comic ... if it was they'd not admit it anyway.
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Old Jan 20, 2013, 11:46 PM   #204
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[QUOTE= Only if "saying precisely what I mean" = "being slippery".[COLOR="#808080"]

I hate to break it to you but precisely everything you cited regarding how Government should be run, results in large bloated Government.
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Old Jan 20, 2013, 11:52 PM   #205
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Because the company's financials are not declining. It's not a 1:1 relationship when it comes to AAPL. All indications are that Apple has a monster qtr, but "unnamed sources" are driving the stock down.

If apples numbers on Wednesday justify the drop in stock price, then ok. But there's no indication that that's the case other than these unnamed sources.

Att said they had a record qtr for iPhones.

Verizon says that had a "higher mix" of iPhones sold in the qtr

Apple sold five million phones in three days in the US

Apple sold two million phones (without China mobile) in three days in China

Apple had the fastest rollout in their history for the iPhone 5

The mini is a huge hit as verified by apple

With all these confirmed sources, why is the stock down?

Like I said, if they start reporting declines in sales, revenues, profits then yes it's time to worry. But apple may be the only company in the planet that can make 8 billion dollars/qtr and still be a "miss"
apple-is-no-longer-cool

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Apple went "thermonuclear" against Android, but it looks like the bomb exploded in Cupertino - not in Mountain View.

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Only if "saying precisely what I mean" = "being slippery".[COLOR="#808080"]

I hate to break it to you but precisely everything you cited regarding how Government should be run, results in large bloated Government.
Please take the right wing rhetoric to the political thread - it's not relevant here.
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Old Jan 20, 2013, 11:55 PM   #206
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Apple went "thermonuclear" against Android, but it looks like the bomb exploded in Cupertino - not in Mountain View.

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Please take the right wing rhetoric to the political thread - it's not relevant here.
Terrible articles you linked to. I'd not use articles with bad grammar and misspellings as a source for my convictions.
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Old Jan 20, 2013, 11:57 PM   #207
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Apple went "thermonuclear" against Android, but it looks like the bomb exploded in Cupertino - not in Mountain View.
I'll make you a deal. If Apple misses expectations this Wednesday I will resign from MacRumors and never sign on again. If they meet or exceed expectations you will resign from MacRumors and never log on again. Do we have a deal?
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 04:47 AM   #208
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Apple went "thermonuclear" against Android, but it looks like the bomb exploded in Cupertino - not in Mountain View.

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Please take the right wing rhetoric to the political thread - it's not relevant here.
You are correct that this is not the place for political disscussion. You are incorrect about the rhetoric being right wing. I am objectively central. You are so far to the left that I seem right wing to you.
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 04:50 AM   #209
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I stand corrected - it's googol, One followed by a hundred zeros. The comic came out nearly 40 years ago so it was hard to remember ...

Still, I wonder if the REAL source was a Richie Rich comic ... if it was they'd not admit it anyway.
You wonder if a bunch of CS Stanford students who claimed the inspiration come from the word Googol actually got it... wait.. a Richie Rich comic rather than just their own math courses ?

They say it was the word, that's what it is. Nothing to do with a 40 year old comic strip, the word predates it.
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 09:05 AM   #210
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Stocks are not priced on what the company did yesterday. Instead, they are priced based upon what one expects will happen in the future. That is why stock indexes are treated as leading indicators. Generally, the time frame is thought to be around 6 months, or two calendar quarters.

Clearly, as of late, many investors think Apple will be unable to continue growing profits at its recent pace. Each factor you cite is insufficient to make Apple investors think that tomorrow will be more profitable than yesterday.
Well I know that, that's why I said the stock valuation has nothing to do with the company financials. Because Apple has not (yet) shown any sign of slowing at least in their books.

They've had two misses in a row which clobbered the stock, but those two misses included over 16bn in profit, and multi millions in device sales including sales records for the iPad. If they miss again this earnings call, it'll also be a miss that made them billions upon billions of dollars.

It's unfortunate that stock price is the leading indicator but it is. I know that the only way the stock will rebound is if they don't miss the ws expectation, but my point was the stock value is not a 1:1 indicator that Apple is doomed. In Apple's case It couldn't be further from the truth. I'm sure you know Apple has at least a decade left in them, and most probably more.

It's a nice talking point though.
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 09:33 AM   #211
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I'm sure you know Apple has at least a decade left in them, and most probably more.
That depends on how quickly Apple declines. At the current pace, a decade may be reasonable. But the decline may accelerate, or there could be a huge tipping point/inflection. Then again, Apple may start innovating again, and recover. We can't really know the future.

But I agree with you that Apple's best days are very likely behind them.
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 09:40 AM   #212
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That depends on how quickly Apple declines. At the current pace...
Wait, when did this decline start and what is its pace ?
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 10:13 AM   #213
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That depends on how quickly Apple declines. At the current pace, a decade may be reasonable. But the decline may accelerate, or there could be a huge tipping point/inflection. Then again, Apple may start innovating again, and recover. We can't really know the future.

But I agree with you that Apple's best days are very likely behind them.
I never said their best days are behind them. I did say that they've been doing great for a long time and this stock valuation does not mean they are doomed.

The decline you speak of is ONLY in stock value. All their other numbers are up our at least steady...definitely not in decline.

I can almost guarantee that will have the best qtr in years if not ever come Wednesday. I'd be shocked if that wasn't the case
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 01:45 PM   #214
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And this reason is?
Companies have to report earnings which clearly state a company's revenues and earnings. The market cap, which I mentioned, is based off of share price x the number of shares outstanding. It is a universal way of understanding how much a company is publicly worth.

This is basic finance.
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Saying google sold search placement is actually something that could cause google harm and be actionable because google makes all their money from search ads to go along with the 100% organic and free search results. Even the idea that they are selling organic search placement could seriously harm their business.
Yepp, whoever posted this news story needs to look up the definition of libel.
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 04:04 PM   #216
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You wonder if a bunch of CS Stanford students who claimed the inspiration come from the word Googol actually got it... wait.. a Richie Rich comic rather than just their own math courses ?

They say it was the word, that's what it is. Nothing to do with a 40 year old comic strip, the word predates it.
That's what I said. So what? Pray tell the math course that uses the word googol. Come on, KnightWRX, are you trying to get a job with Google or something? Sure seems that way.
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That's what I said. So what? Pray tell the math course that uses the word googol. Come on, KnightWRX, are you trying to get a job with Google or something? Sure seems that way.
Uh ? I found you a quote by someone in the know about the actual origin... What does that have to do with me trying to get a job there ? ( btw, no, their Montreal offices don't really have any interesting jobs in my field ). Stop over-thinking. They say the name comes from Googol, that where it comes from.
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Wait, when did this decline start and what is its pace ?
Damn near a third of its market value in about 3 or 4 months.

At that rate, it will be down to around 350 three or four months from now, and down to about 250 in another 3 or four months, and down to around 175 3 or 4 months after that.

But things rarely travel in such a linear manner - often there are inflection points. Nobody has any way to know what the future will hold.
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Damn near a third of its market value in about 3 or 4 months.

At that rate, it will be down to around 350 three or four months from now, and down to about 250 in another 3 or four months, and down to around 175 3 or 4 months after that.

But things rarely travel in such a linear manner - often there are inflection points. Nobody has any way to know what the future will hold.
Oh silly me, I thought you were talking about something that mattered, you're just referencing the stock. We can also follow a different pace...

Dec 30 2011 - 401.44
Dec 31 2012 - 532.17

Funny how that works uh ?
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Oh silly me, I thought you were talking about something that mattered, you're just referencing the stock. We can also follow a different pace...

Dec 30 2011 - 401.44
Dec 31 2012 - 532.17

Funny how that works uh ?
Yep the 32% increase yoy is ignored, but the decrease signals a death knell. Live by the stock, die by the stock I guess..
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:21 AM   #221
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Chances are Google has more revenue & profits than Apple. They have a search engine, Android, RELIABLE Maps, etc.
Its true that apple has more cash on hand is worth more as a company. Apple stock also has a P/E that is half what google is. However, why would anyone want apple to buy google or google to buy apple. Back in the day there were laws again forming a monopoly. It is also in everybody's best interest if these two compete.

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