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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:15 PM   #26
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The thing that's flooring me the most is the batteries here. The iPad has the biggest battery of the three. How can an i5 tablet hold up battery wise to an ARM tablet with a bigger batter?

For me, a long battery life is a MUST with a tablet. It HAS to last all day long without being plugged in once. I just can't see using a tablet that I have to plug in during the day
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:16 PM   #27
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I wonder what the battery life on this thing will be! Smaller than iPad's and much more powerful...
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:16 PM   #28
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I like the idea of a screen cover that also offers real physical keys.

So... grab an iPad plus Logitech Ultrathin keyboard cover. Comes in 3 colors, attaches magnetically, and unlike the Surface, will hold your tablet in either portrait or landscape. And, since it doesn't try to be a halfway "old-style computer," it doesn't need a fan!

Credit to MS for a visually interesting and original UI, though. I like it. (Kind of like I like the UIs on Star Trek: I might not desire to use them all day, but they look cool!)
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:17 PM   #29
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They are high.
No they're not. High people think of better ideas than the Surface Pro.

Just look at it. It's a shrunken laptop with a touch screen and detachable keyboard and trackpad!

I see the past looking out the Windows.

It's about Apple and Google today.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:17 PM   #30
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That price is too steep. Might be a nice tablet, but I just can't justify the cost.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:17 PM   #31
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I will never buy a Microsoft product, I don't think I will even buy the 720. Have you seen the 360s interface really? It's shockingly bloated.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:17 PM   #32
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I wont use trash like Bill gates rubbish
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:18 PM   #33
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That price is too steep. Might be a nice tablet, but I just can't justify the cost.
[looks at users sig]

Yet you could justify the cost of a rMBP
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:18 PM   #34
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11" MBA for $999 is a better buy.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:19 PM   #35
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I'm thinking the battery life will be roughly the same as the MBA, since they're directly comparable.

In other words, you won't be using it all day without plugging it in at least once. It might last 6-7 hours if you use nothing by Metro apps, but I'd guess heavy desktop use would lower that down to around 4 hours or so. This is the biggest weakness of the machine for me, and why I probably won't consider getting one until the Haswell revs come out.

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Just look at it. It's a shrunken laptop with a touch screen and detachable keyboard and trackpad!
er...what's so bad about that?
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:20 PM   #36
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Looks good but, why a non-Apple product appears on MR?
Because the price is funny.

Microsoft price points, are the modern day knock-knock joke
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:20 PM   #37
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I don't get this thing. It looks like they took some good ideas but jumbled them together into something that is somehow less than the sum of its parts. I can't imagine choosing this over either an iPad or a MacBook Air (or even one of the many Wndows clones of it). I'm sure they'll sell a few million of these but MS bet the company on it and I don't see this pulling them out of their slow downward spiral.
I have an iPad and have been looking at augmenting it with an ultrabook. I was considering the MacBook Air but after playing with the Surface tablet at the Microsoft Store last month, I am now open to the idea of trying Windows 8.

I might not choose a Surface Pro tablet but I am very interested in the Windows 8 "hybrid tablet/ultrabook" space. I am looking specifically at the Lenovo Yoga 11S and Thinkpad Helix, two "convertible tablets" that might offer the best of both worlds.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:20 PM   #38
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Kudos to Microsoft for building a subnotebook that can't be used on a standard airplane tray table, unless to take the keyboard off.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:21 PM   #39
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Can't help thinking Microsoft are being greedy with THIS Surface too. It's barely better than the iPad 4 when you compare the specs.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:21 PM   #40
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Because the price is funny.

Microsoft price points, are the modern day knock-knock joke
It's almost the exact same hardware in the MBA with a touch and digitizer enabled, higher resolution screen.

...for $100 less.

Tell me again how that's funny.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:22 PM   #41
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I'm sure the 5 minutes you spent with Windows 8 was absolute hell for you.



It could use some spit shine and fine tuning, but it's hardly unusable. Once you learn where all the new stuff is, it's not vastly different than what came before.

It all really comes down to how much you like having a fullscreen start menu. That's about the biggest difference between it and 7 if you ask me.

It was for a few hours setting up my grandfathers laptop. I should have clarified, it is a nightmare for desktop users. The OS is clearly designed for tablets and the OS makes you feel like you are using a tablet in a desktop environment. For example, I can't even manually resize apps to my liking in metro when using a 1080p monitor, I have to use this rather absurd 2/3 1/3 split. I have used windows since DOS, not that I'm a technical guru, but it feels like Microsoft took all the productivity out of the OS while trying to sock it to the iPad. It doesn't work well for the desktop. Sure win 8 is prettier, smarter and faster. But it is a complete disruption in work flow. I'll stick with win 7. Besides, every win user knows to skip every other OS release. Win 8 has worst uptake than vista, and no one today doubts that was a waste.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:22 PM   #42
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I've tried Windows 8. A horrible experience. They actually are trying to drag back that disaster 'Metro'. They are calling it something else now.

WTF is wrong with them? They have this market share but they are lost


l o s t.

But maybe this thing is really cool. Looks cool.
Been using windows 8 for a while and I don't have any issues with usablity at all.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:23 PM   #43
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From my personal experience, the Surface is an engineering marvel.

I'll never wrap my brain around how they managed to fit a quad-core processor in a tablet that size and it still feels slow and unresponsive.

The touch experience is somewhere between the iPad and one of the first touchscreen garmins
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:24 PM   #44
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I think this is a great threat to Apple - but not to the iPad. As everyone saying - this is a MBA competitor.

Cheaper (marginally) - has full touch, will be curious to see how it benchmarks. It will be a good test for how quickly full laptops like the MBA will go full touch and will people gravitate to some type of convertible model. I do agree though that other convertible ultrabooks that convert from tablet to full laptop (i.e. Asus) might be a better option.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:25 PM   #45
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If they keep throwing things against the wall one of them might even stick.
Right... like Office, Windows itself the XBox platform... to name a few. But it's ok, keep hating MS.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:25 PM   #46
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It's almost the exact same hardware in the MBA with a touch and digitizer enabled, higher resolution screen.

...for $100 less.

Tell me again how that's funny.
$100 less? But the Surface has no keyboard included at that price, vs. the Air's keyboard which offers two important things: backlighting, and adjustable screen angle. Two things you'll find hard to live without once you've tried them.

So at the very least, you'd better add that $100 back onto the Surface, to get at least a keyboard of some kind. Otherwise, you've got a product to compare with tablets, not laptops.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:25 PM   #47
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WOW! Microsoft continues its tradition of unappetizing tablets. They'll sell 10s of hundreds.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:25 PM   #48
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It's almost the exact same hardware in the MBA with a touch and digitizer enabled, higher resolution screen.

...for $100 less.

Tell me again how that's funny.
I'd sooner pay $100 and get the MBA... Actually I'd sooner pay $500 more and get the air

Are you really comparing a premium OSX laptop with a two-bob Microsoft tablet?
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 01:26 PM   #49
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I love it and windows 8. I feel that the chart should be comparing it to a MPA as well though. Since you have full desktop mode and it's basically a laptop.
My problem is all the switching between desktop and Metro interfaces makes it clunky, if they can make using it overall a more fluid experience then it would be a huge leap forward.
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WOW! Microsoft continues its tradition of unappetizing tablets. They'll sell 10s of hundreds.
And both of them will fly out the door.

Does it have a fan? Please tell me it has a fan...
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