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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:39 PM   #101
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The rationale given is this

"... in light of carriers' current unlocking policies and the ready availability of new unlocked phones in the marketplace..."

but didn't the current unlocking policies only come about because unlocking was specifically declared legal?
Would it have anything to do with the theft, unlocking and re-selling of smartphones?

I too am perplexed by this move by the govt.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:41 PM   #102
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StraightTalk service will work with a LOCKED AT&T iPhone. I can confirm this with my iPhone 4S. Nothing illegal taking place here; the previous owner of my iPhone bought a new iPhone 5 and transferred his number to it. AT&T won't unlock the 4S until it is two years old (October of '14). StraightTalk doesn't care and doesn't require the unlocked phone.

However, Uncle Sam can still kiss my nappy a$$.

It occurs to me now why those wackos in Idaho don't think our government is trustworthy. Same reason why there will never be common ground between NRA and non-NRA types: They believe the government is our enemy and, you know what? This kind of decision (as trivial as it is when compared to gun control) is a perfect example of that.

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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:47 PM   #103
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At least I bet if you do it anyway, than switch to T-Mobile or any other secondary carrier, it's not like they would report you(losing you as a customer obviously).
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:48 PM   #104
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So? Even if I'm on contract and I unlock, I either a) have to pay the ETF set by the carrier, so they still get all the money they need for the rest of the cost of the phone, or b) continue paying the contract, so either way the telcos win whether I unlock or not. All this does is punish us consumers "cuz we can."
I'm confused. Why should you be allowed to unlock for another provider if you don't honor your contract. If your that concerned, buy the phone off contract, get it legally unlocked, and do what you want with it.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:51 PM   #105
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Illegal? Who's going to arrest me?
The apple police. My guess is apple pushed hard for this law. Probably AT&T too. I can see it now. Unlock your iphone, apples goons show up like what happened to the guy who ended up with that test iphone. Hope this law is for only while under contract.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:51 PM   #106
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They forgot to add "WITHIN THE TIMELINE OF THE CONTRACT" to the end of the law.

I have no problem with this law existing while you're paying back your carrier.
Too bad though if you travel overseas within your contract period and want to put in a local sim.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:51 PM   #107
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The world has made locking phones illegal (Hong Kong did this nearly 20 years ago)...
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:53 PM   #108
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Well police already check smart phones for data during traffic stops (at least in MI): http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnew...traffic-stops/
Thats a scare article simply to get clicks. They have to plug the phone into the machine and its not not common at all.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:54 PM   #109
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Nice backwards move there.

Seriously why does the US insist on cocking up technology?
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The world has made locking phones illegal (Hong Kong did this nearly 20 years ago)...
Gee, not just the US. Your country probably cocked something up as well buddy.
I don't know if HK really did this but it sounds plausible.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:54 PM   #110
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If corporations are people... They are immortal billionaire people that control the government and only interested in profit.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:54 PM   #111
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So if I unlock my phone and use it on another carrier, who's going to enforce this new law?
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:54 PM   #112
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I'm confused. Why should you be allowed to unlock for another provider if you don't honor your contract. If your that concerned, buy the phone off contract, get it legally unlocked, and do what you want with it.
Because in your contract it says if you pay the ETF the contract is now complete. Your still honoring the terms of it.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:55 PM   #113
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Illegal? Who's going to arrest me?
A similar attitude was shared by the person sentenced to 7 years prison for robbing Steve Jobs' home.


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So if I unlock my phone and use it on another carrier, who's going to enforce this new law?
Does it really matter who arrests you?
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:56 PM   #114
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Petition

There's always a petition to at least get them to know how many people aren't too happy with it. Sadly there's only ~350 people so far.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...legal/1g9KhZG7
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:56 PM   #115
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Would it have anything to do with the theft, unlocking and re-selling of smartphones?

I too am perplexed by this move by the govt.
I think you have a point there. The ironic part is that theives will just get their phones illegally unlocked.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:56 PM   #116
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AT+T has always unlocked it after you pay the early termination fee. Why would that change ?
Not always. Since last April for iphones. Before then Suck T & T wouldn't unlock an iPhone even off contract
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:58 PM   #117
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Not if you sign a long term contract and accept subsidies from the provider to reduce the price of the phone.
what if you buy a phone from someone that was under contract when they upgraded?
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:58 PM   #118
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thx!
If this is the case then then it would be bad for the carriers (in the long term) to be proponents of this policy.

Currently, if I get a subsidized phone from a major US carrier, they are 1. financing the phone 2. providing the service.

My understanding is that this policy makes it (unlocking) illegal base on copyright act (according to the Federal register)... that is, the proponents say the carrier "owns" the phone, and the subscriber/leaser cannot change the software without the "owner's" permission.

Well Walmart (and others soon) are offering plans like StraightTalk where they offer 1. service only for $45 or 2. phone financing for an additional $25.

So Walmart separated the smartphone financing from the service provider. This opens the door for ANY financier (including Apple) to lease out unlocked phones, and the sub can buy "service only" from plan re-packagers like Walmart.

Wouldn't this diminish the grip that carriers have on bundling subsidies with their plans?

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I think all the new non-contract plans will have an affect on subsidies (T Mobile will be stopping subsidies). I'm also glad you brought up the point that "the proponents say the carrier "owns" the phone, and the subscriber/leaser cannot change the software without the "owner's" permission." (in the case of a contract plan). The straight talk plan will sell you a phone (it's yours) and the $25 / month is only a finance fee (as you correctly stated) so the unlocking issue does not apply to it.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:59 PM   #119
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This is what a massive, extremely powerful federal government looks like - the power is taken from the people and given to the powerful.
Well, if you were allowed to own guns, this sort of thing would never happen!

Oh, wait...
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 07:01 PM   #120
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Not always. Since last April for iphones. Before then Suck T & T wouldn't unlock an iPhone even off contract
True, but now I believe all of them will if you have paid the early termination or completed your contract.

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Because in your contract it says if you pay the ETF the contract is now complete. Your still honoring the terms of it.
and at that point you can get it legally unlocked.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 07:02 PM   #121
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AT&T probably complained....too many people are going to tmobile with our phones
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 07:04 PM   #122
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I'm pretty sure AT&T and others just lobbied the government to accomplish this. Who cares? You can still do it anyway.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 07:05 PM   #123
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Unauthorized unlocking

Not very good news for Apple users here.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 07:06 PM   #124
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Another BS thing: You pay extra sales tax for smartphones in the USA. A $200 iPhone is taxed at the unsubsidized price ($700), but the cellular bill is also taxed.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 07:07 PM   #125
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last April, AT&T began unlocking iPhones for customers whose contract terms were completed or who had paid early termination fees to end them early.
Question: If I upgraded to iPhone 5 (like I'm due for upgraded) can AT&T unlock my phone for me? Or do I have to wait the full 2 years (which is in mid Feb.) to get the phone unlock?
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