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Old Jan 26, 2013, 09:43 AM   #26
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Wouldn't that mean that most votes in the hardline "red" states would be thrown out ?

Yeah, so? I'm just trying to put a halt to our nation of takers. Paul Ryan told me so.
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Old Jan 26, 2013, 09:49 AM   #27
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Im saying the system is pretty ****ed....90% of PA votes red, yet has gone blue for at least the past 3-4 elections because of philly and pitt.

If the situation was reversed, I wonder what the left would be saying...
You're really barking up the wrong tree talking about stuff like this on here. You say anything on here that even resembles support for a R-based idea and you're going to get shouted down.
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Old Jan 26, 2013, 09:51 AM   #28
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really...my state looks pretty damn red to me.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/...s/pennsylvania
So you're saying that Cameron County, PA, with a population of 5,000 people, should count the same as Philadelphia County, with a population of 1.5 million people?

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You're really barking up the wrong tree talking about stuff like this on here. You say anything on here that even resembles support for a R-based idea and you're going to get shouted down.
It's not a R-based idea. It's an asinine idea that I would hope anybody on either side of the aisle would find ridiculous.
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Old Jan 26, 2013, 09:52 AM   #29
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You're really barking up the wrong tree talking about stuff like this on here. You say anything on here that even resembles support for a R-based idea and you're going to get shouted down.
How do you mean?

His example wasn't a good one, and it's clear he doesn't understand the election process.

If 90% of the state actually voted red, then the Republicans would have received the electoral votes, no? Unless of course, he wants to base it on something other than actual votes.
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Old Jan 26, 2013, 09:52 AM   #30
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really...my state looks pretty damn red to me.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/...s/pennsylvania
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Dude, we vote based on people, not land areas whose artificial boundaries were drawn by partisan hacks.
Exactly. 90% of "space" means nothing. It is about the people that live in the state...
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Old Jan 26, 2013, 09:53 AM   #31
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to be honest Im not even sure what I am looking at there...
And that's the problem right there. The political game has become so complex, so opaque, so convoluted (just like the maps) that the ordinary voter simply doesn't have the time to understand the sleight of hand going on. I know I don't.
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Old Jan 26, 2013, 09:54 AM   #32
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You're really barking up the wrong tree talking about stuff like this on here. You say anything on here that even resembles support for a R-based idea and you're going to get shouted down.
Yes, pointing out a scheme to give your side an unfair advantage in an election is shouting down R-based ideas. I'm sure you'd be all for the same thing when more state houses are blue. How ****ing disingenuous can you guys be? And to call this an idea is laughable, at best.
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Old Jan 26, 2013, 09:57 AM   #33
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You're really barking up the wrong tree talking about stuff like this on here. You say anything on here that even resembles support for a R-based idea and you're going to get shouted down.
What do you mean? Are you supporting this notion that very large districts that vote red with little population should be weighted more than areas where the population is dense?

That physical land won should outweigh the population won? What sort of idea is that?
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Old Jan 26, 2013, 09:57 AM   #34
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So you're saying that Cameron County, PA, with a population of 5,000 people, should count the same as Philadelphia County, with a population of 1.5 million people?
Philadelphia County does not speak for all of PA.

To be honest, I think we should just give it to NJ and be done with it..
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Old Jan 26, 2013, 09:57 AM   #35
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You're really barking up the wrong tree talking about stuff like this on here. You say anything on here that even resembles support for a R-based idea and you're going to get shouted down.
God forbid that all votes count equally.
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Old Jan 26, 2013, 09:59 AM   #36
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Philadelphia County does not speak for all of PA.

To be honest, I think we should just give it to NJ and be done with it..
you are dodging the question and as your argument falls apart you come up with other BS and making your self look like an even bigger fool.

It is already clear you are on the side of suppressing the vote of people who do not agree with you.
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Old Jan 26, 2013, 09:59 AM   #37
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I don't know...

Is the current system fair as it stands now?

Look at my home state of PA....Virtually 90% of the state votes republican, yet is always delivered to the dems because of the liberal population centers of the philadelphia area and pittsburgh area shutting the rest of us out.

How is that system any fairer?
Those are areas of higher population. I disagree with making each vote higher in value at a state level simply due to sparse populations in certain areas. The real problem is that it's an all or nothing system. It blocks any other parties from gaining leverage and leads to anomalies like you've described. I'm not sure why everything must be a right/left thing. It's the most myopic pathetic way to view anything.
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Old Jan 26, 2013, 10:02 AM   #38
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Philadelphia County does not speak for all of PA.

To be honest, I think we should just give it to NJ and be done with it..
It doesn't. If you took everyone in Philadelphia County and redistributed them evenly across the state of Pennsylvania before the next election, leaving Philly with a population of zero, PA will still be a blue state in the next election.
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Philadelphia County does not speak for all of PA.

To be honest, I think we should just give it to NJ and be done with it..
And it doesn't? Just that they outweigh much of "rural" PA


Or are you saying that the little amt of people in rural PA should have a greater influence than the vast amt in Philadelphia County and other dense population areas?
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Old Jan 26, 2013, 10:04 AM   #40
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You're really barking up the wrong tree talking about stuff like this on here. You say anything on here that even resembles support for a R-based idea and you're going to get shouted down.
That says a lot less about the forum than it does the R-based ideas.
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Old Jan 26, 2013, 10:06 AM   #41
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Philadelphia County does not speak for all of PA.

To be honest, I think we should just give it to NJ and be done with it..
So you believe that those who live in Philadelphia County should have their votes counted less. Like maybe they each get 1/2 vote?
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So you believe that those who live in Philadelphia County should have their votes counted less. Like maybe they each get 1/2 vote?
There are a lot of black people in Philadelphia, maybe we should go back to the days where they get 3/5ths a vote
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Old Jan 26, 2013, 10:07 AM   #43
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And it doesn't? Just that they outweigh much of "rural" PA


Or are you saying that the little amt of people in rural PA should have a greater influence than the vast amt in Philadelphia County and other dense population areas?
Again, Philadelphia is not representative of the rest of PA and does not speak for the rest of PA....

How is it fair that this single population center decides the outcome of the entire state in elections ?
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Again, Philadelphia is not representative of the rest of PA and does not speak for the rest of PA....

How is it fair that this single population center decides the outcome of the entire state in elections ?
You aren't answering any question put to you...it's clear you don't understand the election process.

How do you propose changing it? Do you believe the people who live in Philadelphia don't deserve 1 vote / person? Should those who live in the rest of the state get double votes?
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Again, Philadelphia is not representative of the rest of PA and does not speak for the rest of PA....

How is it fair that this single population center decides the outcome of the entire state in elections ?
Ok....

So you are saying all the rural residents who are vastly outnumbered by those that live in metro areas should have a greater say than they. Got it

So people who have rural residences should have their votes count 3x as much as that of one who lives in the city. Is this your logic? Seems to be
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Again, Philadelphia is not representative of the rest of PA and does not speak for the rest of PA....

How is it fair that this single population center decides the outcome of the entire state in elections ?
One person, one vote. How is that not fair?
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You aren't answering any question put to you...it's clear you don't understand the election process.

How do you propose changing it? Do you believe the people who live in Philadelphia don't deserve 1 vote / person? Should those who live in the rest of the state get double votes?
To be honest I don't know what the answer is....there probably isn't one.
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To be honest I don't know what the answer is....there probably isn't one.
Well, you can move to Texas. Where, unfortunately, the rural population has turned this into a red state. Obama actually won Houston (by 2 votes!!), but the hicks and the farmers screwed it up for the rest of us.
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Well, you can move to Texas. Where, unfortunately, the rural population has turned this into a red state. Obama actually won Houston (by 2 votes!!), but the hicks and the farmers screwed it up for the rest of us.
to be honest Ive thought about Texas....I suspect that I will end up somewhere in the SW at some point in time during the next decade.
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Again, Philadelphia is not representative of the rest of PA and does not speak for the rest of PA....

How is it fair that this single population center decides the outcome of the entire state in elections ?

How is it fair that a dozen or so population centers in the US pay most of the bills?
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