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Old Jan 27, 2013, 03:42 PM   #1
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Petition to make unlocking legal again

As of yesterday the government decided to ban unlocking of phones, even after your contract is done. This is not right and the government should not be the one telling us how to use our phones.
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 04:00 PM   #2
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They haven't banned unlocking of phones, you just have to get permission from the provider to do so...
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 04:19 PM   #3
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As of yesterday the government decided to ban unlocking of phones, even after your contract is done. This is not right and the government should not be the one telling us how to use our phones.
Not at all. There should be no need to have to unlock your phone yourself - note that what is illegal is the circumvention of DRM, which obviously happens through the use of some software that the user cannot understand and must have obtained illegally, which makes the whole business totally unsafe.

Instead you should ask that anyone selling locked phones must unlock them for you if you ask for it.

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Old Jan 27, 2013, 04:20 PM   #4
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From what BBC news said, they made it illegal in any case, I'll do some more research on it. In any case, it's good to get our voice out there!
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 04:21 PM   #5
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From what BBC new said, they made it illegal in any case, I'll do some more research on it. In any case, it's good to get our voice out there!
Also good to educate yourself about specifically legislation does, glad you're taking the time to do so.
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 04:25 PM   #6
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Not at all. There should be no need to have to unlock your phone yourself - note that what is illegal is the circumvention of DRM, which obviously happens through the use of some software that the user cannot understand and must have obtained illegally, which makes the whole business totally unsafe.

Instead you should ask that anyone selling locked phones must unlock them for you if you ask for it.
This law bans all the eBay stores from unlocking our iPhones right?
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 04:28 PM   #7
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They haven't banned unlocking of phones, you just have to get permission from the provider to do so...
Which is basically banning it as carriers don't allow it because it hurts their bottom line.
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 04:30 PM   #8
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Don't know why all the fuss. You pay full price, it's unlocked. You get it subsidized, it is locked, until contract is fulfilled. Seems fair to me.
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 04:33 PM   #9
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Don't know why all the fuss. You pay full price, it's unlocked. You get it subsidized, it is locked, until contract is fulfilled. Seems fair to me.
The problem I have with this is that I'm not going to leave AT&T anytime soon, but I do travel to Europe a lot and it would be great to have my new iPhone unlocked without waiting for 2 years!
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 04:34 PM   #10
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Aren't older phones grandfathered in? Does this only count phones that are purchased after January 26th?
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 04:35 PM   #11
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These petitions are a joke. There are so many unanswered ones past the required amount - the administration only replies when it's politically convenient to do so.
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 04:36 PM   #12
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The problem I have with this is that I'm not going to leave AT&T anytime soon, but I do travel to Europe a lot and it would be great to have my new iPhone unlocked without waiting for 2 years!
They don't know that. If you have someone pay for the bulk of your phone, you follow their rules. I hope the carriers just eliminate subsidies and make people pay full price. If one cant afford to pay full price for a phone, then perhaps they should get a cheaper phone.
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 04:40 PM   #13
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These petitions are a joke. There are so many unanswered ones past the required amount - the administration only replies when it's politically convenient to do so.
If someone actually believes that these petitions would change legislation than they are very stupid.
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 04:40 PM   #14
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They don't know that. If you have someone pay for the bulk of your phone, you follow their rules. I hope the carriers just eliminate subsidies and make people pay full price. If one cant afford to pay full price for a phone, then perhaps they should get a cheaper phone.
If subsidies are eliminated and we have to pay full price for our unlocked phones, why stay with AT&T? Other services are way cheaper and use the same gsm network.. Redpocket for example
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 04:46 PM   #15
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If subsidies are eliminated and we have to pay full price for our unlocked phones, why stay with AT&T? Other services are way cheaper and use the same gsm network.. Redpocket for example
If you want subsidized phones, then accept locked phones. It's fair.
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 04:47 PM   #16
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This law bans all the eBay stores from unlocking our iPhones right?
eBay isn't a fan of services being sold as opposed to physical goods anyways. Unlock_fusion still offers unlocks through their swift unlocks website.
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 05:06 PM   #17
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eBay isn't a fan of services being sold as opposed to physical goods anyways. Unlock_fusion still offers unlocks through their swift unlocks website.
Yea they do, but doesn't this law make what they are doing illegal?
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 05:31 PM   #18
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Yea they do, but doesn't this law make what they are doing illegal?
It would seem that it does--and I think that they are counting on this law not being enforced. I have a feeling that if it is enforced though, that those offering the service online would be the low hanging fruit.
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 05:53 PM   #19
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This law bans all the eBay stores from unlocking our iPhones right?
New phones under contract.

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The problem I have with this is that I'm not going to leave AT&T anytime soon, but I do travel to Europe a lot and it would be great to have my new iPhone unlocked without waiting for 2 years!
Contact AT&T and see what they can do for you after you explain your situation.
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 09:25 PM   #20
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Personal Unlocking by Jailbreaking your iPhone is strikely illegal and will always remain illegal. Unlocking via your carrier is not. U.S carriers allow the ability to unlock your iPhone at their store and by representative.
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 11:14 PM   #21
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So move or get over it.
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 11:18 PM   #22
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So move or get over it.
Thanks for you remarkable input in this thread, I'll move out of my country because I like unlocked phones.. Useless
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 11:29 PM   #23
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Thanks for you remarkable input in this thread, I'll move out of my country because I like unlocked phones.. Useless
You know Apple sells unlocked phones.
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I suppose you want torrenting copyrighted TV shows to be legal, too.
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 11:42 PM   #25
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New phones under contract.
No, new phones (any purchased after Jan. 26, 2013) - contract or not.

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Personal Unlocking by Jailbreaking your iPhone is strikely illegal and will always remain illegal.
Wrong.

I could unlock my phone via Jailbreak - and it would be legal. And I'm even under contract.

Note that for the past 3-6 or so, it has been legal for ALL smartphones - this is due to the exception written into the DMCA - and it was because (in large part) of AT&T and the iPhone being locked.

The exception was allowed to expire, and a new one to grandfather in old phones under it added - with the "notice period" ending this past Friday.

So saying it was/is/always will be illegal is simply wrong.
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