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Old Nov 4, 2012, 01:19 PM   #1
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Anyone buying a Surface here?

After seeing some of the commercials, and reading reviews, I have no plans to do so.

Commercials are pushing that they have a keyboard, so you can prop it up on a table and have a keyboard. If THAT is important enough for you, then why not buy an Air? Slim, better keyboard, and more apps than the RT version. As for portability, at least the iPad offers an LTE version, without having to either hotspot through your phone or buying a hotspot with the Surface.
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Old Nov 4, 2012, 01:23 PM   #2
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I'm not buying one myself, but it's nice to see MS put some effort and time behind the design and using something other than plastic for the body (seems like an extremely strong magnesium build).
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Old Nov 4, 2012, 01:29 PM   #3
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Old Nov 4, 2012, 01:31 PM   #4
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Not this one, but the surface 2 maybe? It really looks like a fantastic product


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After seeing some of the commercials, and reading reviews, I have no plans to do so.

Commercials are pushing that they have a keyboard, so you can prop it up on a table and have a keyboard. If THAT is important enough for you, then why not buy an Air? Slim, better keyboard, and more apps than the RT version. As for portability, at least the iPad offers an LTE version, without having to either hotspot through your phone or buying a hotspot with the Surface.
The air is not a tablet
iPad doesn't have office (yet)

Is it really that hard to see the strength in windows rt? It delivers where the ipad does not, it's a successful mix on notebook and tablet

Give credit where credit is due
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Old Nov 4, 2012, 01:42 PM   #5
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Bought one just because it seemed like the thing to do, but I haven't used it much. Already have an iPad 3, and an iPad 4 on order, and find that the Surface screen pales in comparison to a Retina. The touch keyboard is worthless, doesn't work half the time. Maybe the type keyboard is better. I do like the built in stand, and I also like the user interface (the "tiles" are better than the iOS UI). I imagine that the app selection will increase over time.
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Old Nov 4, 2012, 01:46 PM   #6
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No. I just switched from Windows to OSX for my laptop use, partly because I don't want to have anything to do with Windows 8. So I'm obviously not going back to it for a tablet.

Also, for the same reason I never got the iPad -too big for my use, I don't want a 10" tablet.

But most of all, after reading the reviews, it boils down to the fact that the surface is a great tablet (kudos to MS for that, especially their first try), but the OS and ecosystem are not nearly as ready. Windows RT, like the full 8 version, really seems half-baked and in dire need of another few months of dev. Added to that the fact that the Windows product cycle is probably too long for a tablet OS.

So a really good high-end tablet, with a as-usual unfinished OS that I really really don't like and a UI that I really really really don't like at all.

Now, I'd like to see what the Surface pro brings for professional use.

Hence, iPad mini.
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Old Nov 4, 2012, 01:50 PM   #7
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Is it really that hard to see the strength in windows rt? It delivers where the ipad does not, it's a successful mix on notebook and tablet

Give credit where credit is due
I disagree.

Even things like the Nexus are better at being a tablet than the Surface.

The Surface is basically a notebook with the ability to pretend to be a tablet. The whole draw of the damn thing is the attachable keyboard.

There's no credit to give - it's just Microsoft sticking to a safety net by essentially making a notebook with a touchscreen, as they knew a straight tablet would be slaughtered in sales by the iPad and Android tablets.
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Old Nov 4, 2012, 01:52 PM   #8
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Bought one just because it seemed like the thing to do, but I haven't used it much. Already have an iPad 3, and an iPad 4 on order, and find that the Surface screen pales in comparison to a Retina. The touch keyboard is worthless, doesn't work half the time. Maybe the type keyboard is better. I do like the built in stand, and I also like the user interface (the "tiles" are better than the iOS UI). I imagine that the app selection will increase over time.
The type keyboard is amazing and doesn't add much bulk. I hope they do put out a Surface 2. I'm not ready to jump in with the tegra 3 in the Surface 1. I definitely will keep an eye on the Surface Pro too.
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Old Nov 4, 2012, 02:00 PM   #9
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There's no credit to give - it's just Microsoft sticking to a safety net by essentially making a notebook with a touchscreen, as they knew a straight tablet would be slaughtered in sales by the iPad and Android tablets.
No, that's Microsoft being smart and addressing a market that others have it to address and in which they already have a huge user base ready to switch.

There's no "notebook with a touchscreen" because the technology isn't quite there yet AND because most tablet makers aren't interested in addressing it as much as they're interested in the "consumer market" e.g. people who don't really need a full-fledged computer. MS is pretty smart in leaving it to them, where they are waring against each other, and addressing the ones still waiting.

Now, the OS just have to follow suit with the hardware
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Old Nov 4, 2012, 02:01 PM   #10
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I've been using the Asus Vivo RT, same cpu and OS as the Surface, in a lighter thinner package and adds GPS , NFC too. They are throwing in the keyboard dock for a while too.

I like the OS for a tablet, it's very smooth, the many swipe actions make using it enjoyable. Browser is nice and fluid , decent mail , maps app, and google maps and youtube full screen looks great in the browser too.

Not sure how it will compare to the soon to come full windows 8 Atom and i5 tablets but its not bad as is, falls short of the iPad's resolution and app selection, but pretty decent for a first gen product depending on your expectations.

Buy with a return policy just in case, but if you like touch gadgets I think most will keep them.
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Old Nov 4, 2012, 02:10 PM   #11
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Hopefully someone will do an analogy of a hackintosh with the surface.
To me that'll be interesting
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Old Nov 4, 2012, 03:14 PM   #12
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I am seriously considering a Surface Pro, but I will have to try it out and see what the pricing is like. I think that MS has been making a lot of good decisions recently, and I am going to show my support with my wallet. I have already upgraded to Windows 8 and will likely get a Samsung ATIV Odyssey. My Windows 8 experience on the desktop has bee very pleasant, especially with the Logitech T650 trackpad.

Yes, it is not for everyone, but I think the unified approach could be a winner.

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Old Nov 4, 2012, 03:24 PM   #13
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I am seriously considering a Surface Pro, but I will have to try it out and see what the pricing is like. I think that MS has been making a lot of good decisions recently, and I am going to show my support with my wallet. I have already upgraded to Windows 8 and will likely get a Samsung ATIV Odyssey. My Windows 8 experience on the desktop has bee very pleasant, especially with the Logitech T650 trackpad.

Yes, it is not for everyone, but I think the unified approach could be a winner.

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How has that been working out for you (T650)? Surface feel, gestures, accuracy, etc
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Old Nov 4, 2012, 03:26 PM   #14
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I'm seriously considering a Surface Pro, just waiting for the release and reviews.
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Old Nov 4, 2012, 03:29 PM   #15
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I'm really interested in the surface, but I'd probably go with one of those hybrid tablet/notebooks instead. Those seem more practical for what I would need.
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Old Nov 4, 2012, 03:31 PM   #16
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How has that been working out for you (T650)? Surface feel, gestures, accuracy, etc
I like it a lot. I do like the feel of the Magic Trackpad better, but the T650 certainly gets the job done for me. I do think that a trackpad is a necessity for desktop Windows 8 users and the T650 is the best on that I have see so far. Would be awesome if someone can build a driver for the Magic Trackpad to work with Windows 8.

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Old Nov 4, 2012, 04:01 PM   #17
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I disagree.

Even things like the Nexus are better at being a tablet than the Surface.

The Surface is basically a notebook with the ability to pretend to be a tablet. The whole draw of the damn thing is the attachable keyboard.

There's no credit to give - it's just Microsoft sticking to a safety net by essentially making a notebook with a touchscreen, as they knew a straight tablet would be slaughtered in sales by the iPad and Android tablets.
The rt is a OS designed and optimised for tablet / touch use - much like iOS. As a tablet, it is no less convenient than the ipad. You obviously have no idea about the surface, as it would be more accurately described as an effective tablet with some of the core strengths of a PC.
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Old Nov 4, 2012, 04:42 PM   #18
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Surface is a half assed tablet and a half assed laptop.

Also Windows 8... that Metro, side scrolling, square icons created in MSPaint... I'm just dumbfounded at how such talentless people managed to get positions so high up in the company.

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...it would be more accurately described as an effective tablet with some of the core strengths of a PC.
Whoa. Someone gets it. :O
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The rt is a OS designed and optimised for tablet / touch use - much like iOS. As a tablet, it is no less convenient than the ipad. You obviously have no idea about the surface, as it would be more accurately described as an effective tablet with some of the core strengths of a PC.
How can you know how much I know about the Surface? I've looked into it, as I was interested to see how Microsoft would enter the tablet market.

In my opinion the Surface isn't enough of a tablet to effectively go up against real tablets. When the thing is packaged with a keyboard and is built so that you prop it up as a screen instead of hold it and use it like a tablet, you can only question when it stops being a tablet and turns into a gimmicky notebook.
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I have no interest in buying one, but a friend of mine might be. He's a Ford technician and wants to be able to access some special Ford sites. His iPad cannot display them, presumably because of Flash, however he bought the Galaxy Nexus 7 and that wouldn't work either. Apparently they geared the site to work with Microsoft stuff only.

The only disadvantage of the Surface is it has no cellular option and I'm not sure if he has WiFi in the shop or not.
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How can you know how much I know about the Surface? I've looked into it, as I was interested to see how Microsoft would enter the tablet market.

In my opinion the Surface isn't enough of a tablet to effectively go up against real tablets. When the thing is packaged with a keyboard and is built so that you prop it up as a screen instead of hold it and use it like a tablet, you can only question when it stops being a tablet and turns into a gimmicky notebook.
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How can you know how much I know about the Surface? I've looked into it, as I was interested to see how Microsoft would enter the tablet market.

In my opinion the Surface isn't enough of a tablet to effectively go up against real tablets. When the thing is packaged with a keyboard and is built so that you prop it up as a screen instead of hold it and use it like a tablet, you can only question when it stops being a tablet and turns into a gimmicky notebook.
Hi I own a Surface RT and I use it in tablet mode 80% of the time. The touch cover is just like the iPad pad smart cover you can fold it back and just use the tablet. Also you don't have to use the Kickstand. Please make some sensible arguments in the future.
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Hi I own a Surface RT and I use it in tablet mode 80% of the time. The touch cover is just like the iPad pad smart cover you can fold it back and just use the tablet. Also you don't have to use the Kickstand. Please make some sensible arguments in the future.
I'm not saying it can't be used as a tablet. I'm saying that it's being advertised to be used like a notebook. Go watch the Microsoft commercial for it - they only show it with the keyboard, and in fact, make the "click" sounds of opening the kickstand and attaching the keyboard cover as a major part of their advertising.
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I disagree.

Even things like the Nexus are better at being a tablet than the Surface.

The Surface is basically a notebook with the ability to pretend to be a tablet. The whole draw of the damn thing is the attachable keyboard.

There's no credit to give - it's just Microsoft sticking to a safety net by essentially making a notebook with a touchscreen, as they knew a straight tablet would be slaughtered in sales by the iPad and Android tablets.
Basically this.

I'm typing this on a Surface - it is not a tablet. It has touch screen functions as much so as a laptop with Windows 8 has touch screen on it. As a tablet, it is awful. Ergonomically awful, horrible pixel density, strange touch behaviors, impossible to use onscreen keyboard - complete lack of apps.

Using it to take notes and type posts on Macrumors? Good use for it.

It's a $500 netbook with good battery life, good viewing angles. Or more like $600 + tax.

Being returned when I have the time.
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