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Old Jan 28, 2013, 06:50 PM   #26
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You said, "do-do"!!!
You think this thread needs to be put down?
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Old Jan 28, 2013, 06:57 PM   #27
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You think this thread needs to be put down?
This and my grandmother, yes.
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Old Jan 28, 2013, 06:59 PM   #28
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You think this thread needs to be put down?
Oh the irony.

And euthanasia is a transitive verb I think. There is only one way to spell it.
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Old Jan 28, 2013, 07:02 PM   #29
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This and my grandmother, yes.
Why is that?
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Old Jan 28, 2013, 07:04 PM   #30
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Oh the irony.

And euthanasia is a transitive verb I think. There is only one way to spell it.
Euthanasia is a noun.
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Old Jan 28, 2013, 07:17 PM   #31
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Euthanasia is a noun.
But a transitive noun, at least. Right?
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Old Jan 28, 2013, 07:25 PM   #32
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Why is that?
She's old and I can use the money.
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Old Jan 28, 2013, 07:29 PM   #33
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Ok I'm wrong. However the act of euthanasia is still euthanasia .

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nevermind. I'll shut up and you guys can euthanize me.

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Old Jan 28, 2013, 07:31 PM   #34
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She's old and I can use the money.
Did that really just happen?
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Old Jan 28, 2013, 07:40 PM   #35
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Did that really just happen?
****'s getting real, son.
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Old Jan 28, 2013, 07:47 PM   #36
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Interesting thread to break up the monotony.

I think euthanasia is not wrong, so long as the person asking is deemed mentally competent by the most rigorous standards.

It's your life.
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Old Jan 28, 2013, 07:49 PM   #37
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 01:00 AM   #38
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Humans get cancer. We suffer. Do you see doctors putting humans down? Why is this? Is it because we have more potential? More connections? More technology or medicine to treat patients? We're just another mammal, although, more advanced.
It's the Hippocratic oath. Doctors are sworn to keep another person alive no matter what, there's nothing like that in terms of animal medicine. There are other legal and medical reasons why humans are not to be "put down" as you put it, but on a personal note I think it's up to the person suffering whether they want to keep being treated for a medical condition that'll never improve.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 05:34 AM   #39
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It's the Hippocratic oath. Doctors are sworn to keep another person alive no matter what, there's nothing like that in terms of animal medicine. There are other legal and medical reasons why humans are not to be "put down" as you put it, but on a personal note I think it's up to the person suffering whether they want to keep being treated for a medical condition that'll never improve.
Wrong.

Most, at least in the US, don't swear to the original Hippocratic Oath, but rather the Declaration of Geneva, a heavily modified version preserving most of the original intent. "the health of my patient shall be my first consideration." This allows more broad interpretation. We've moved pat the concept o deth as the enemy to be battled at all costs. It is the natural conclusion of life. For most modern providers quality of life is more important than quantity. Now one can have a philosophical argument about whether actually dealing the inevitability of death is morally superior to hastening the arrival of death to allieve suffering, but some comfort measures (e.g. morphine for pain control, which can suppress respiratory drive) can hasten death.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 06:04 AM   #40
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We choose to euthanise pets/animals because they can't decide themselves.

Isn't that the same as switching a machine off for a patient who can't respond back? The family, much like the owners of the pet, decide.

Is it wrong? I don't think so. So long that people are trying to get euthanised for all sorts of combatable issues like depression.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 06:41 AM   #41
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No it's not wrong it gives you a means of ending your life with some dignity, I for one have discussed this with my own family.

Euthanasia is legal in the Netherlands since 2002.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthana...he_Netherlands

Euthanasia was applied before this date but it was a legal minefield.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 06:59 AM   #42
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I've seen both my parents suffer degenerative diseases before they died (cancer, multi-infarct dementia), and there's no way I would want that for myself. The moment I cannot take care of myself properly, I'm done.

While I am sure about what I want, I would hate to make the decision for another person. As my father inexorably slipped into pain, humiliation and disability, he repeatedly and forcefully expressed the desire to die. When the doctors told us that he had only days to live, we decided to tell my father that his time was coming. The look in his eyes has haunted me ever since: he did not want to go (he died a few days later). I thought he would be relieved, knowing he would soon be free of all his suffering, but he wasn't. My point is that the person has to be able to say they want to die. People change their minds, what seems intolerable one day is tolerable the next, etc. I'd be hesitant to argue for euthanizing somebody who could not speak clearly about their own wishes.

FWIW the illegal status of euthanasia in the US impacts on life insurance, which does not pay out in cases of murder or suicide. Therefore insurance companies do not pay off in cases of euthanasia. In hospitals patients in palliative care tend to die at the end of the night shift, and it isn't difficult to imagine why. My mother died in a hospital at 5AM, and the life insurance company delayed paying us for a year because they argued she had been euthanized by the medical staff. In the end we had to threaten to sue (and call our friends at the Washington Post).... I was an undergraduate at the time, and suffice it to say the financial problems our family had nearly forced me out of college before the @$@&!@&$&@'s at the insurance company paid out. I hope they burn in hell. I truly do.
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Regarding human beings, I support medically assisted suicide if it is requested and if the person is cognizant and considered sound to make the decision based on the relief of pain and no realistic hope for recovery is left.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 09:13 AM   #44
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Yes. It is wrong.

Euthanasia

Euthanasia (from the Greek: εὐθανασία meaning "good death": εὖ, eu (well or good) + θάνατος, thanatos (death)) refers to the practice of intentionally ending a life in order to relieve pain and suffering.
Best post I've seen in a while! Thank you for posting exactly what I was thinking!

I think anyone who opposed or opposes universal healthcare should be euthanasiasiated. (Mispelled on purpose, for effect).
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We choose to euthanise pets/animals because they can't decide themselves.

Isn't that the same as switching a machine off for a patient who can't respond back? The family, much like the owners of the pet, decide.

Is it wrong? I don't think so. So long that people are trying to get euthanised for all sorts of combatable issues like depression.
Switching off life support is difference in the sense that it is stopping a treatment that is artificially keeping someone alive ie you are letting "nature" take its course. It is therefore similar to palliative care as you are stopping active treatment. Euthanasia is the deliberate act of prematurely ending someone's life for medical reasons (eg degenerative disease such as dementia, Huntington's chorea). I think many people would agree with switching off life support, but not necessarily euthanasia. As I see the terrible effects of dementia every day, I'm in favour, but on my terms.
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Switching off life support is difference in the sense that it is stopping a treatment that is artificially keeping someone alive ie you are letting "nature" take its course. It is therefore similar to palliative care as you are stopping active treatment. Euthanasia is the deliberate act of prematurely ending someone's life for medical reasons (eg degenerative disease such as dementia, Huntington's chorea). I think many people would agree with switching off life support, but not necessarily euthanasia. As I see the terrible effects of dementia every day, I'm in favour, but on my terms.
Life support is essentially Euthanization. As you said, nature should take its course.
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Life support is essentially Euthanization. As you said, nature should take its course.
Life support is the external provision of some essential organ/life function that if withdrawn the patient would die. Life support delays the inevitability of death or supports the body until it can recover and function on its own.

Your statement demonstrates your lack of understanding of the subject.
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Old Feb 5, 2013, 02:56 AM   #48
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It's wrong to kill.

A doctor's job is keep people alive.

Of course, it's cheaper to let patients in pain until they can't stand it anymore and then euthanize them.
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Life support is the external provision of some essential organ/life function that if withdrawn the patient would die. Life support delays the inevitability of death or supports the body until it can recover and function on its own.

Your statement demonstrates your lack of understanding of the subject.
When one is on life support, 9 time out of ten, they are unconscious. Just a way to say bye before they die. It's difficult to recover after all your organs shut down.
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When one is on life support, 9 time out of ten, they are unconscious. Just a way to say bye before they die. It's difficult to recover after all your organs shut down.
You have no idea what life support is either. Just what is your medical education and/or experience with life supportive measures or end of life care?

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