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Old Jan 29, 2013, 10:36 AM   #51
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What!!??? Why? It's virtually the same as the Windows version (except for Macro support).
Mac Office 2011 has full VB Macro support.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 10:39 AM   #52
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Big whoop.

Wouldn't spend 100 dollars to upgrade from Office '08. Software doesn't need to always be the latest and greatest - if it still works, leave it.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 10:40 AM   #53
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Microsoft should release Office on microsoft tablets while forgoing the iPad. Office on windows 8 for mobile devices would encourage businesses back to microsoft platform and away from Apple.
This is the problem with the thinking at Microsoft under Ballmer.

Microsoft is a software company. The iPad is a software platform that could be making them millions. iPad/iOS sales could easily surpass Mac sales for Microsoft.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 10:41 AM   #54
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So microsoft is also abandoning dvd distribution.... Cool
No they aren't. They will still sell you a hard copy.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 10:42 AM   #55
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This is the problem with the thinking at Microsoft under Ballmer.

Microsoft is a software company. The iPad is a software platform that could be making them millions. iPad/iOS sales could easily surpass Mac sales for Microsoft.
They are keeping Office for tablets for their Surface RT (ARM) tablets.
Office for Surface RT doesn't have even Outlook or any other native email clients.
They keeping it for Surface Pro.

All of this is a big mistake, while an understandable try to leverage Office for selling Windows platform.
But that just makes Office obsolete day by day.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 10:44 AM   #56
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I agree. They could be making millions.
If Microsoft can make Windows RT (which comes with a bundled, so price included, version Office ) work they will make millions more.

Between the two it is a better bet. In the Apple App store it couldn't be "Office". They'd had to debundle the applications. That dilutes much of the leverage that Office (a bundled suite) has. The iOS App store is a "race to the bottom" application space. They could make some money there but it more likely would negatively impact Office pricing elsewhere also. That would be a net loss of millions.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 10:44 AM   #57
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Office 2011 is ok for me, I donīt use Windows since 2009.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 10:45 AM   #58
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I don't think this is terribly bad in theory. Things like the Skype minutes every month could make it appealing.

That said, the price is just too high. Regular home users don't need a new version of Office enough to pay $100 a year for it.

The biggest problem with Office has always been that it has too many features. The reason they did the whole ribbon redesign for 2007 was that 7/8 of the top 10 requested features were actually already in Office 2003 - people just didn't know how to get to it or use it!

While I liked the original ribbon design, lots of people didn't. They've since borked it out in to something worse, and at the same time gone back to that horrible fascination they have with Neptune-era "Activity Center" panels:



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Old Jan 29, 2013, 10:46 AM   #59
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Microsoft should release Office on microsoft tablets while forgoing the iPad. Office on windows 8 for mobile devices would encourage businesses back to microsoft platform and away from Apple.
And this type of post brings me closer to understanding this MR is no longer a place for Apple enthusiasts, just a dumping ground for Apple haters to enjoy.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 10:46 AM   #60
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Office 2011 was an awesome update that made the Mac version of Office decent. I can live without 2013.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 10:47 AM   #61
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So will it work on February 29th, then?
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 10:49 AM   #62
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Microsoft just slaughtered its cash cow for a few juicy steaks. No more milk.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 10:50 AM   #63
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Who cares? I mean, why would someone upgrade their version of Office assuming it's from the past 10 years or so?

I'm surprised Microsoft even bothers.
Office and Windows are their cash cows.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 10:51 AM   #64
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The boxes for Office 2011 for Mac say that you can get a free upgrade to the next version.

Therefore, the 2013 edition is coming soon.

Microsoft also sells boxes at Apple now that don't come with CDs.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 10:52 AM   #65
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I can't complain about Microsoft Windows being a few years behind if Apple is still on Pages '09, Numbers '09, Keynote '09.

Are we really going to go five years without a real upgrade, Apple? Did you reassign all your OSX apps coders, or what?
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 10:55 AM   #66
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A bigger issue is people use Excel as a database. Its not a database!
Using Excel as a database is so much easier than using Access as a database. But FileMaker is far easier to use than Excel.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 10:58 AM   #67
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You still get the option to buy Office outright, but you don't get any of the extras such as extra Skydrive space, skype minutes, or future updates ( only point updates ).

If you use Office on a regular basis then the $99 subscription fee could be good value. Otherwise you'll probably better off using something else, or buy the software outright as before.
I wonder if the single payment option is transitory, until they get enough of a customer base, then ditch it?

I think Microsoft is way off pitch here?
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 10:58 AM   #68
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This is the problem with the thinking at Microsoft under Ballmer.

Microsoft is a software company. The iPad is a software platform that could be making them millions. iPad/iOS sales could easily surpass Mac sales for Microsoft.
Microsoft would make far more money if customers started buying Surface instead of iPad. More income through hardware and more income through software. Microsoft would be making more than mere 'millions'.

Business customer is the more stable cash cow than consumers. Get them locked in to your own mobile hardware and software ( again ).

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I wonder if the single payment option is transitory, until they get enough of a customer base, then ditch it?
Probably, in the longer term. Subscription software is the future. People won't be buying software outright forever. Software will be seen as a [subscription] service - and subscriptions also reduces piracy - makes it more difficult to hack.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 10:59 AM   #69
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A bigger issue is people use Excel as a database. Its not a database!
Amen brother!

"Power users" of Excel should Power Learn some scripting and dbase
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 10:59 AM   #70
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No they aren't. They will still sell you a hard copy.
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However, there's a big change this time: in the US, UK, and other developed markets, those boxed copies won't include a DVD of the software. Microsoft is simply boxing up product codes in familiar packaging for Office 2013 and Office 365, allowing users to go online to download the software. Some emerging markets will still offer DVD versions, but the majority of users will be downloading Office this time around.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 11:00 AM   #71
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Open Office is Open Ugly though.
LibreOffice is a much much better solution than OpenOffice. LO Ver. 4.0 will be shipping in a few days and they made dramatic leaps ahead of OO.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 11:01 AM   #72
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Anyone who thinks iWork or any other office replacement is a viable alternative to MS Office simply isn't a power user of excel. That doesn't absolve MS of responsibility though, since the Mac version of Excel is awful.

MS is smart in this case. They know Excel is essentially required in business and keep the Mac version bad enough that people won't switch.
Unless you use excel heavily, what else does office really offer?
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 11:01 AM   #73
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Nearly Ģ100 a year is nowhere near being reasonable for any amount of Microsoft software. The use of Word and Excel or whatever is not worth that and I doubt home users would pay that.
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It's been all downhill from Office 2003 anyway. No loss.
No, '04 is just '03 but a little better and with more clipart.

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Anyone who thinks iWork or any other office replacement is a viable alternative to MS Office simply isn't a power user of excel. That doesn't absolve MS of responsibility though, since the Mac version of Excel is awful.

MS is smart in this case. They know Excel is essentially required in business and keep the Mac version bad enough that people won't switch.
How is the Mac version of Excel worse? They're the same thing.
Also, Pages is better than Word, Keynote MUCH better than PP, and Numbers much worse than Excel. I just use iWork and Excel.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 11:05 AM   #75
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Anyone who thinks iWork or any other office replacement is a viable alternative to MS Office simply isn't a power user of excel. That doesn't absolve MS of responsibility though, since the Mac version of Excel is awful.

MS is smart in this case. They know Excel is essentially required in business and keep the Mac version bad enough that people won't switch.
I would disagree with you since combining Numbers and LibreOffice I have been able to do everything that I have ever done with Microsoft and have saved money in the process.

And the question I have here is why is it necessary to purchase Office anymore when there are not only other alternatives, but also just signing up for a free outlook.com account gets you access to SkyDrive and the ability to create a spreadsheet, word document, powerpoint presentation, or use one note? Sure, they're web apps, but you can save them to the cloud or even download them to your computer and open them with other apps. I even create documents in LibreOffice and can upload those to SkyDrive and the formatting is not changed.
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