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Old Jan 30, 2013, 08:57 AM   #1
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Man shoots and kills driver who mistakenly turns into his driveway

People like this lunatic make it very difficult for me to support gun rights even for so called self defense purposes. According to another news site, Diaz's GPS took him to the wrong house.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/man-69-...rong-ho/nT8xp/

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Two strikingly different portraits emerged Tuesday of the Lilburn resident charged with fatally shooting a 22-year-old who mistakenly pulled into his driveway.
According to his lawyer, Phillip Sailors was a frightened retiree who fired his .22 revolver at Rodrigo Diaz because he feared for his life.
But Diaz’s girlfriend painted a more menacing imagine of Sailors as a elderly vigilante who shot without asking questions. According to Angie Rebolledo, after he shot Diaz, the 69-year-old Vietnam vet pointed the gun at her.
The couple, accompanied by two other friends, had pulled into Sailors’ driveway by mistake, thinking it was the home of another friend. The group had planned to go ice skating.
Rebolledo, 17, was sitting next to her boyfriend in the front seat when he was struck in the side of the head. As she tended to Diaz, she said Sailors showed no remorse and offered no assistance.
“I want him to spend all his life in prison,” she said. “He is a crazy man.”


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But the police report indicates that the vehicle was leaving Sailors’ property when Diaz was shot. Lilburn police said they found his red Mitsubishi at the end of the driveway. Diaz was slumped over the steering wheel, blood covering his face and, the incident report states, struggling to breathe.
As far as I'm concerned, they should lock this crazy old **** up and throw away the key.


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Puglise said the Sailors family is grief-stricken and is lifting the family of Diaz up in prayer.
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Old Jan 30, 2013, 09:05 AM   #2
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Yeah was reading this earlier. Ridiculous, indefensible waste of life.
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Old Jan 30, 2013, 09:10 AM   #3
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Old Jan 30, 2013, 09:27 AM   #4
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He sounds like someone old with deteriorating mental health. I wonder how many gun owners know what does and does not constitute self defense?
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Hmmmm
Gotta love it. You immediately question his service in Viet Nam and not the fact that he was a well trained, gun owner who acted wholly in an irresponsible manner. Love the spin.
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Gotta love it. You immediately question his service in Viet Nam and not the fact that he was a well trained, gun owner who acted wholly in an irresponsible manner. Love the spin.
The reputation of Vietnam veterans proceedes them
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What's a 22yr old doing dating a 17yr old? Can't get college girls?
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Old Jan 30, 2013, 09:44 AM   #8
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The reputation of Vietnam veterans proceedes them
Quite the broad brush you paint with for an anarchist. Just this week we have women in the military and now Viet Nam veterans. Please proceed Mr. Slash.
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Kate Upton began modelling at 17.



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The reputation of Vietnam veterans proceedes them
You mean the stereotype portrayed precedes them. According to this article, it states 15.2%-31% of male Vietnam veterans have PTSD. There's a whole 70% of the veterans he could be a part of. Your thought is based on a stereotype and little more until evidence comes out otherwise.

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What's a 22yr old doing dating a 17yr old? Can't get college girls?
What does this have to do with the discussion?
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Kate Upton began modelling at 17.

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She's ugly, or you just picked a terrible photo with that smile.

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You mean the stereotype portrayed precedes them. According to this article, it states 15.2%-31% of male Vietnam veterans have PTSD. There's a whole 70% of the veterans he could be a part of. Your thought is based on a stereotype and little more until evidence comes out otherwise.

What does this have to do with the discussion?
PTSD can be caused by anything, I'm pretty sure the percentage is higher than that for Vietnam Vets, shellshocked.

It doesn't, I was just questioning.
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PTSD can be caused by anything, I'm pretty sure the percentage is higher than that for Vietnam Vets, shellshocked.
I trust studies slightly more than you being "pretty sure".
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Take the guns away from veterans!
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What's a 22yr old doing dating a 17yr old? Can't get college girls?
WOW just WOW!!! out of this whole story that is what you focus on, again WOW!
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Based on that argument why the **** is a vietnam vet even allowed to own a gun? Clearly they are way to mentally unstable to own one.

I say this guy needs to be locked up for the rest of his life. This was murder plan and simple.

No reasonable person should think just because a car pulls in your drive way they are there to cause problem. It should be assumed that they are their by mistake or using it to say turn around.
This does not mean you do not watch them but assume at the very least they just are at the wrong house. The DA better go after him and make an example out of him.
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I trust studies slightly more than you being "pretty sure".
Well, does your studies that you read state that majority of people that suffer PTSD don't talk about it? Sure, there are some who need help because they can't handle what they have gone through, then there are those who can.

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WOW just WOW!!! out of this whole story that is what you focus on, again WOW!
22yr old male was shot in the side of the head for pulling up in the wrong drive way, got it, it's sad.
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22yr old male was shot in the side of the head for pulling up in the wrong drive way, got it, it's sad.
Sounds sincere.
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Well, does your studies that you read state that majority of people that suffer PTSD don't talk about it? Sure, there are some who need help because they can't handle what they have gone through, then there are those who can.
It states a fair amount more than you being "pretty sure".
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Sounds sincere.
Truthfully, I don't care.

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It states a fair amount more than you being "pretty sure".
You sure do like to stick with quoting "pretty sure". Did you want me to say "those statistics are wrong, due to the fact majority of PTSD victims deal with it and don't seek help."
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You sure do like to stick with quoting "pretty sure". Did you want me to say "those statistics are wrong, due to the fact majority of PTSD victims deal with it and don't seek help."
You haven't provided any evidence that you are correct. If you do, I can look at it. Right now your statement of "pretty sure" is the only evidence you've provided to counter my evidence.
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You mean the stereotype portrayed precedes them. According to this article, it states 15.2%-31% of male Vietnam veterans have PTSD. There's a whole 70% of the veterans he could be a part of. Your thought is based on a stereotype and little more until evidence comes out otherwise.
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15.2 percent of all male veterans (479,000 out of 3,140,000 who served in Vietnam) and 8.1 percent of women (610 out of 7,200) were diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder in a 1986-1988 study by the National Vietnam Veterans Readjustment Survey (NVVRS).

-- Almost half of all male Vietnam veterans suffering from PTSD had been arrested or in jail at least once, 34.2 percent more than once and 11.5 percent had been convicted of a felony, according to the same survey.

-- VA statistics in 2004 showed that 161,000 veterans were still receiving disability compensation for PTSD.

-- A major VA study found that about 31 percent of men and 27 percent of women had suffered from PTSD at some point after their return from Vietnam
The VA study was done in 1986, over two years. Did they survey all Vietnam vets? The mentioned that 31 percent of men suffered from PTSD after returning from Vietnam "at some point". Doesn't say whether they received help, whether it got better or not, and doesn't mention whether or individuals are relapsing years and years later.

Even the fact that 31% have suffered means that 3/10 Vietnam veterans have some issues going on, that's pretty significant if you ask me. It's not a stereotype, but something that has been measured.

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Based on that argument why the **** is a vietnam vet even allowed to own a gun? Clearly they are way to mentally unstable to own one.

I say this guy needs to be locked up for the rest of his life. This was murder plan and simple.

No reasonable person should think just because a car pulls in your drive way they are there to cause problem. It should be assumed that they are their by mistake or using it to say turn around.
This does not mean you do not watch them but assume at the very least they just are at the wrong house. The DA better go after him and make an example out of him.
Yeah I don't disagree. Idk if the DA should necessarily make an example out of him, but prosecute based on our written laws and within the realm of reason. Charge him with murder, but don't give him the death penalty for it.

I think this further illistrates the need for mental health checks to be revamped and improved in order to curb gun violence.
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The VA study was done in 1986, over two years. Did they survey all Vietnam vets? The mentioned that 31 percent of men suffered from PTSD after returning from Vietnam "at some point". Doesn't say whether they received help, whether it got better or not, and doesn't mention whether or individuals are relapsing years and years later.

Even the fact that 31% have suffered means that 3/10 Vietnam veterans have some issues going on, that's pretty significant if you ask me. It's not a stereotype, but something that has been measured.
No they didn't survey all Vietnam vets. That's not what survey's do. I'm sure you know that. They account for error. 31% is an estimate within a reasonable accuracy.

http://www.ptsd.va.gov/professional/...vets-study.asp

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The NVVRS used a multimethod assessment approach (e.g., self-report, clinical interview) to study representative national samples of Vietnam Veterans and their peers. Participants were grouped according to their involvement in the Vietnam war, including Vietnam theater Veterans (i.e., men and women who served on active duty in Vietnam, Laos, or Cambodia), Vietnam era Veterans (i.e., men and women who served on active duty during the Vietnam era but not in the Vietnam theater), and nonveterans or civilian counterparts (i.e., men and women who did not serve in the military during the Vietnam era).
One could also say that 7/10 are fine. It is also known that Vietnam veterans have a higher suicide rate than the national average. So one could infer than since the study is from 1984 (almost 30 years have passed), some in the 3/10 category have committed suicide and so there are less PTSD Vietnam veterans out there. I admit that is purely assumption based on the studies.

The fact that the person in this crime is a Vietnam veteran in no way means he has PTSD. It also does not mean he doesn't. The article doesn't state and as such, until it is stated somewhere it's purely speculation anyone's part.
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No they didn't survey all Vietnam vets. That's not what survey's do. I'm sure you know that. They account for error. 31% is an estimate within a reasonable accuracy.

http://www.ptsd.va.gov/professional/...vets-study.asp



One could also say that 7/10 are fine. It is also known that Vietnam veterans have a higher suicide rate than the national average. So one could infer than since the study is from 1984 (almost 30 years have passed), some in the 3/10 category have committed suicide and so there are less PTSD Vietnam veterans out there. I admit that is purely assumption based on the studies.

The fact that the person in this crime is a Vietnam veteran in no way means he has PTSD. It also does not mean he doesn't. The article doesn't state and as such, until it is stated somewhere it's purely speculation anyone's part.
But it's not an unreasonable assumption, which is kind of my point. 30% of Vietnam vets (probably more) have or have had PTSD with the possibility of it reoccuring.
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