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Old Jan 30, 2013, 09:46 PM   #101
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hopefully they fired that guy. Whoever designed that mouse deserves to be fired.
Apple really hasn't made a comfortable-to-use mouse since this one, and that was a loooong time ago…



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Plastic? They've learned....

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Old Jan 30, 2013, 09:49 PM   #102
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I don't see how it is NOT a budget device. $329 for a 7.9 inch premium tablet that will likely be sold for $249 when the next years retina models come out. Besides the Kindle and the Nexus tablets which are designed to be sold for little or no profit, all other $199 tablets low end specs and build. And 7.9 inch tablet with a 4:3 aspect ratio is more like a 8.5 inch tablet with a 16:10 ratio tablet (the same way the 9.5 inch iPad has actually bigger screen area vs the 10.1 inch tablets from the competition).
A budget model of a device is generally one that has nothing going for it over the premium model except price. The iPad Mini has proved, however, to NOT be inferior to the full sized iPad when price is taken out of the equation. Many people who could easily afford a full sized iPad opt to buy the Mini instead, as they like the size, and even some people who already have a full sized iPad are buying the Mini.

However if Apple brought out a budget iPhone, can you imagine anyone that already has a full sized iPhone, or could afford a full sized iPhone, buying it? I can't, unless it's just to review/try out the device.
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Old Jan 30, 2013, 09:50 PM   #103
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So Tim found another way to shave a penny! Why am I scared that this "cheaper" iPhone is for the next regular iPhone? Tim "Bigger Margins" Cook might.

That said, if the internals of an AppleTV are costing $99, what is stopping Apple from releasing a slightly more expensive iPhone?
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Old Jan 30, 2013, 09:50 PM   #104
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Apple really hasn't made a comfortable-to-use mouse since this one, and that was a loooong time ago…

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Old Jan 30, 2013, 09:52 PM   #105
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So Tim found another way to shave a penny! Why am I scared that this "cheaper" iPhone is for the next regular iPhone? Tim "Bigger Margins" Cook might.

That said, if the internals of an AppleTV are costing $99, what is stopping Apple from releasing a slightly more expensive iPhone?
I really don't think the flagship iPhone will return to plastic. If they do make a plastic iPhone again, it will undoubtably be a budget model for emerging markets.
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Old Jan 30, 2013, 10:11 PM   #106
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you're assuming they're going to use the plastic for body work. could be for anything.
I'm assuming that because it ties in nicely with pretty much all the rumours that have been circulating recently.
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Old Jan 30, 2013, 10:23 PM   #107
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Apple boss: "So you're interested in the position. Have you made much with plastic."

Joe Smith: "I played with Legos for years as a kid."

Apple boss: "Welcome aboard!"
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Old Jan 30, 2013, 10:26 PM   #108
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Innovative designs for future products?

Unbelievable!!!
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Old Jan 30, 2013, 10:38 PM   #109
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Apple really hasn't made a comfortable-to-use mouse since this one, and that was a loooong time ago…

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What about the Mighty Mouse? I also thought the puck mouse felt good to hold even though others hated it. Anyway I'd never use an Apple mouse unless it's a Mighty or Magic Mouse. Right-click and the scroll wheel are essential.

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Old Jan 30, 2013, 10:47 PM   #110
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What about the Mighty Mouse? I also thought the puck mouse felt good to hold even though others hated it. Anyway I'd never use an Apple mouse unless it's a Mighty or Magic Mouse. Right-click and the scroll wheel are essential.
Of course you wouldn't use it today - That mouse is Apple Serial Bus rather than USB and was used 15-20 yrs ago And as for the mighty mouse... It was pretty decent in terms of comfort, but the god-awful scroll wheel ruined it.
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Old Jan 30, 2013, 11:27 PM   #111
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Whatever it is, it's usually 2 years at least between inception and production. Not holding my breath on this one.
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Old Jan 30, 2013, 11:44 PM   #112
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A budget model of a device is generally one that has nothing going for it over the premium model except price. The iPad Mini has proved, however, to NOT be inferior to the full sized iPad when price is taken out of the equation. Many people who could easily afford a full sized iPad opt to buy the Mini instead, as they like the size, and even some people who already have a full sized iPad are buying the Mini.

However if Apple brought out a budget iPhone, can you imagine anyone that already has a full sized iPhone, or could afford a full sized iPhone, buying it? I can't, unless it's just to review/try out the device.
You got a point there, I did not think about it that way.
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 12:12 AM   #113
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Now how are you all going to bash the Galaxy S 3? You can't use the plastic gimmick any longer /sarcasm.

Plastic, glass, aluminum, paper, i don't give a crap what the phone is made out of, as long as it works properly.
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 12:18 AM   #114
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Is it possible the "Plastic case" is actually liquid metal?

To refer to an interview with one of the inventors of liquid metal "Liquid Metal is more likely in the form of a small component such as a hinge or bracket. A MacBook casing, such as a unibody, will take two to four more years to implement." This interview took place about 1.5 years ago.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...quidmetal.html

Coincidence?

To quote the wikipedia explanation of what liquid metal is "Liquidmetal can be formed into complex shapes using processes similar to thermoplastics, which makes Liquidmetal a potential replacement for many applications where plastics would normally be used.

From what I understand it would be cheaper to produce then a glass/ aluminum frame, would be unbreakable (giving it a huge marketing advantage), and could be easily accomplished. If they do this properly, they could make an IPhone + and an IPhone mini that would leverage the new technology.
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 12:20 AM   #115
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when we see adamantium phone?
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 12:20 AM   #116
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Now how are you all going to bash the Galaxy S 3? You can't use the plastic gimmick any longer /sarcasm.
How is that sarcastic? Seems like a pretty reasonable assumption to me.
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 12:20 AM   #117
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Didn't know Aluminium was magnetic...

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Magneto can control more than magnetic metals. Just sayin'
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 12:23 AM   #118
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Do you guys reckon for lighter weight, future phones, Apple would eventually switch to using carbon fibre ? (the same as speculated for the Macbook's for Apples' goal of being lighter weight)

Or do you think Apple would stick to glass, because they want the iPhone to be fashionable. ?
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 12:35 AM   #119
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Make up your minds please. Is it cheap or not?
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 12:45 AM   #120
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There are some very interesting plastics out there.

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I dunno folks... I look at my 4S and marvel at the precision machine engineering that went into the thing.
One resin family is call Ultem, it is an extremely tough resin. I've slammed Utem resin with a three pound hammer and not even dented it. Some variants of this material process at 750 degrees which is similar to zinc based die castings. Tough stuff!!?,
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Plastic can bounce. It really comes down to what you use. Futher you can do neat things like over mold it or double injection mold the material to realize interesting designs. Plastic is a very versatile material. You need to divorce yourself from the run of the mill consumer plastic device and consider what is done today with engineered resins.

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Old Jan 31, 2013, 01:09 AM   #121
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Want high tech and innovative? Make the phone out of Carbotanium.
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 01:17 AM   #122
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What about the Mighty Mouse?
Was that the shiny pill shaped one? I think I nick-named that one Flighty Mouse, for feeling like it wanted to slip out of my hand and skittle away. For me, it was a pass if you had to use it for about 30 minutes maybe.

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I also thought the puck mouse felt good to hold even though others hated it.
A truly awful design IMO. It wasn't just that it felt awkward to hold, but it gave you zero feedback (by feel) of which way was up and which was down. If the mouse rotated slightly in your hands, suddenly the cursor wasn't going exactly where you wanted it to go. At the time, some enterprising company came out with plastic covers you could clip over them, to give you something more substantial to hold. I bought one of these and it was an improvement, but before too long I switched to a very simple Logitech mouse and I've never looked back. I tip my hat to Sir Ive for many of his wonderful designs… but that was one of his disasters I'm afraid.
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 01:48 AM   #124
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<insert smarmy comment about how Apple would never use Plastic as it's cheap>

I still think it won't.

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I still think that whilst the iPhone 5 is a sexy phone, it'd be nicer with the glossy plastic back of the 3/3s. Nothing wrong with plastic.
I agree, it's nothing wrong with it. But is no where as good as the ones build with premium materials and i find iPhone 5 sexiest of all iPhone's. Personalty I just can't see Apple going back to plastic for iPhone's.
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 03:30 AM   #125
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Though Apple has focused heavily on aluminum for the iPad, the iPhone, and the MacBook line for the past few years, the Cupertino-based company has continued used plastics for the Apple TV, the Airport Extreme, keyboards, and other accessories.
I am not sure, what they describe in their job posting seems to be more applicable in product packaging.

CF: "Apple plastic processing such as thermoforming, foam molding, blow molding, etc."
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