Register FAQ / Rules Forum Spy Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   MacRumors Forums > iPhone, iPod and iPad > iPad

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Feb 5, 2013, 07:37 AM   #1
palpatine
macrumors 68040
 
Join Date: May 2011
iPad Mini 2 Retina = 324 ppi (2048 x 1536 pixels)?

It sounds like a baseless rumor to me at the moment, but if true, it would certainly turn my head!

-----

The resolution on the alleged iPad Mini 2 is said to measure 2048 x 1536 pixels, which would be roughly four times the resolution of the first-generation iPad Mini, but by packing this many pixels into a smaller device, Apple actually boosts the density of the iPad Mini with Retina display to 324 pixels per inch (ppi). As a frame of reference, the iPad 3 and 4 both have display densities of 264 ppi, while the iPhone 5 has a similar density of 326 ppi.
http://thediplomat.com/pacific-money...etina-display/
palpatine is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 5, 2013, 08:18 AM   #2
Chrisxenofontos
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Nicosia
Send a message via Skype™ to Chrisxenofontos
is true

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/...retina-display
__________________
Apple Macbook Pro Retina 15"
Apple iPad Air
Apple iPhone 5S
Apple Airport Time Capsule 2TB
Chrisxenofontos is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 5, 2013, 08:34 AM   #3
djransom
macrumors 68040
 
djransom's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Chi-Town
If this does come to past I would definitely purchase a Mini as oppose to the larger iPad.
__________________
Live and love life
djransom is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 5, 2013, 08:36 AM   #4
hovscorpion12
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Not bad. It matches the iPhone PPI (iPhone 4-iPhone 5). My question is the screen resolution. If Apple includes the 1536 x 2048 pixels found on the full scale iPad. this is a buy!!.
hovscorpion12 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 5, 2013, 09:16 AM   #5
jabingla2810
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
It would be 326 PPI, the same as the iPhone 4, 4S and 5.

Apple picked the 7.9" size screen at resolution of 1024 x 768 because it matched the same pixel density as the iPhone 3GS. Obviously they have a lot of experience and high supplies of such displays.

The iPad Mini retina display will essentially be the iPhone 4 display but larger, same pixel density anyway.

Apple keeping costs down by using some good maths.
__________________
2.4 Alu Macbook 2GB 250GB
jabingla2810 is offline   5 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 5, 2013, 01:41 PM   #6
darngooddesign
macrumors G3
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Atlanta, GA
Quote:
Originally Posted by jabingla2810 View Post
Apple picked the 7.9" size screen at resolution of 1024 x 768 because it matched the same pixel density as the iPhone 3GS. Obviously they have a lot of experience and high supplies of such displays.
1024 x 768 was chosen so the huge library of iPad apps would not have to be rewritten for a new resolution; they could just keep using the non-retina assets. It had nothing to do with keeping the iPhone 3GS' ppi. This is why the rMini will have the iPad 4's resolution but with a higher ppi.
__________________
64 giggity... giggity... gigg-i-ty
Lego Apple Store
darngooddesign is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 5, 2013, 02:57 PM   #7
jabingla2810
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by darngooddesign View Post
1024 x 768 was chosen so the huge library of iPad apps would not have to be rewritten for a new resolution; they could just keep using the non-retina assets. It had nothing to do with keeping the iPhone 3GS' ppi. This is why the rMini will have the iPad 4's resolution but with a higher ppi.
You didn't understand my post.

Obviously they chose the same resolution as the iPad 2, but my point is that they chose the SIZE of the screen, 7.9" so the PPI is the same as the iPhone 3GS, 163 PPI.

Therefore the retina iPad mini will have the same PPI as the iPhone 4, 326 PPI.

This helps keep supply costs down because they are dealing with the same LCD screens, just different sizes.

The article the OP links is wrong, 324 PPI is something the iPad mini won't have, and worryingly it has been copied by a host of other useless websites that can't do maths.
__________________
2.4 Alu Macbook 2GB 250GB
jabingla2810 is offline   4 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 5, 2013, 03:35 PM   #8
palpatine
Thread Starter
macrumors 68040
 
Join Date: May 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by jabingla2810 View Post
You didn't understand my post.

Obviously they chose the same resolution as the iPad 2, but my point is that they chose the SIZE of the screen, 7.9" so the PPI is the same as the iPhone 3GS, 163 PPI.

Therefore the retina iPad mini will have the same PPI as the iPhone 4, 326 PPI.

This helps keep supply costs down because they are dealing with the same LCD screens, just different sizes.

The article the OP links is wrong, 324 PPI is something the iPad mini won't have, and worryingly it has been copied by a host of other useless websites that can't do maths.
Do you have an article that gets it "right"? I am not sure what there is to worry about, but whatever the ppi, if we are talking about something above 300, that sounds pretty good to me. CNET (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57...urpass-ipad-4/), by the way, is giving the same number. It may be that they are reporting what they are hearing. At this point, I trust whatever imaginary source they have more than our calculations, which are not based on any knowledge of what is actually being produced.
palpatine is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 5, 2013, 03:50 PM   #9
adnoh
macrumors 6502a
 
adnoh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Cant wait!
__________________
13" 2010 uMB, 2.4 GHz C2D, 4 GB RAM, 80GB X25-M
16GB iPhone 5 white; 16GB iPad mini white; Airport Express
adnoh is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 5, 2013, 03:50 PM   #10
SnowLeopard2008
macrumors 603
 
SnowLeopard2008's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Silicon Valley
Send a message via AIM to SnowLeopard2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by palpatine View Post
Do you have an article that gets it "right"? I am not sure what there is to worry about, but whatever the ppi, if we are talking about something above 300, that sounds pretty good to me. CNET (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57...urpass-ipad-4/), by the way, is giving the same number. It may be that they are reporting what they are hearing. At this point, I trust whatever imaginary source they have more than our calculations, which are not based on any knowledge of what is actually being produced.
You don't get it either. Apple chose the resolution (# of pixels) to match iPad 1 and 2 so apps won't need different assets (think the images for buttons, pictures, game art, etc.). Apple chose 7.9" physical screen size (as opposed to 6" or 7" or whatever) so that the pixel density is the same as iPhone 3GS. This means that GUI elements (like the actual physical size of buttons, icons, etc. NOT pixel size but size measured with a ruler) will be the same size that users are already used to touching on their current iPhones and iPads. This is incredibly smart because the roadmap to retina is already built by their iPhone 4, 4S, 5. They can order the same exact LCDs as iPhone 4, 4S, 5 but just cut them at larger sizes. This helps with supply chain. They don't need to deal with a new problem of "how to go to retina?" because the attributes of the non-retina display is the same as their previous non-retina-but-was-upgraded-to-retina devices. Albeit just larger physical size.

iPhone 3GS has 163 PPI. To go retina, Apple doubled the pixel count both horizontally and vertically. Result was iPhone 4 which has 326 PPI. Notice 163 * 2 = 326.

iPad 1 and 2 has 132 PPI. To go retina, Apple double the pixel count both horizontally and vertically. Result was iPad 3 which has 264 PPI. Notice 132 * 2 = 264.

iPad mini has 163 PPI. To go retina, Apple needs to double the pixel count both horizontally and vertically. Result will (hypothetically) be iPad mini with Retina which has 264 PPI. Notice 163 * 2 = 326. To go through with this, they just need to order the same exact part as iPhone 4, 4S, 5 but just larger physical size. You don't need a totally different supplier or totally different part. It's the same exact part with same exact PPI, just larger physical size.

Apple tends to use the same core components (CPU/GPU, Bluetooth, WiFi, GPS, Accelerometer, Gyro, camera sensors, screen panel/technology/type/etc.) across various iOS devices. This holds many advantages. It's easier to maintain a performance standard since it's the same component just different form factor. It's easier to write apps for since you know the WiFi chip isn't from 10+ vendors but from 1-2. It's also good for scaling production of devices since they shared core components. You don't need to order a whole bunch of parts for each device. Just the same one but a massive quantity. It's also good for introducing new models because core technologies are leverage and shared from past.
__________________
Mac Pro | Thunderbolt Display | iPhone 6 Plus | iPad mini | Apple TV | AirPort Extreme

Last edited by SnowLeopard2008; Feb 5, 2013 at 04:00 PM.
SnowLeopard2008 is online now   7 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 5, 2013, 03:59 PM   #11
palpatine
Thread Starter
macrumors 68040
 
Join Date: May 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowLeopard2008 View Post
You don't get it either.
No. But, thanks for the explanation. Do you have an article reporting that? I was just looking for "actual" (whatever that means in the rumor-rich tech world) first-hand reports.
palpatine is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 5, 2013, 04:04 PM   #12
SnowLeopard2008
macrumors 603
 
SnowLeopard2008's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Silicon Valley
Send a message via AIM to SnowLeopard2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by palpatine View Post
No. But, thanks for the explanation. Do you have an article reporting that? I was just looking for "actual" (whatever that means in the rumor-rich tech world) first-hand reports.
Reporting what? The numbers I used? It's no secret what the screen pixel densities are for past iPhones and iPads. Of course this is "speculation" but Apple introduces a new technology (i.e. retina display) or concept and slowly spreads it across their entire product line. Of course they won't tell you that up front directly. But it's evident that they introduced retina on the iPhone 4. Then on iPad. And then on Macs. They took a new technology and spread it from small devices (easier to control yield on smaller stuff) and then rapidly scaled it.

No company in the tech world will walk you through their entire thought process and reasoning for every decision they make.
__________________
Mac Pro | Thunderbolt Display | iPhone 6 Plus | iPad mini | Apple TV | AirPort Extreme
SnowLeopard2008 is online now   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 5, 2013, 04:13 PM   #13
jabingla2810
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by palpatine View Post
No. But, thanks for the explanation. Do you have an article reporting that? I was just looking for "actual" (whatever that means in the rumor-rich tech world) first-hand reports.
http://ultratechtalk.com/ipad-mini-2...etina-display/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/14/ipad_rumors/

http://venturebeat.com/2012/12/14/ru...-going-retina/

http://512pixels.net/2013/01/a5x-retina-mini/

These websites theorise an iPad mini with 326 PPI.

They are only rumours like the your original post, however they make much more sense. I mean you only have to do the sum 163(PPI of iPad Mini)x2.
__________________
2.4 Alu Macbook 2GB 250GB
jabingla2810 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 5, 2013, 06:15 PM   #14
cwwilson
macrumors 6502a
 
cwwilson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
I hope it doesn't come out too soon, an October release date would give me enough time to enjoy my current mini. I only just bought it in December!
__________________
Samsung Galaxy S5 16+64GB
iPad 4 Wi-Fi + Cellular 64GB
iMac 21.5" | 500GB 3.06GHz C2D
cwwilson is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 5, 2013, 10:04 PM   #15
AdonisSMU
macrumors 68020
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by cwwilson View Post
I hope it doesn't come out too soon, an October release date would give me enough time to enjoy my current mini. I only just bought it in December!
Wait so you cant enjoy it if you dont have the newest toy on the market? How does a new iPad effect your enjoyment of your current iPad?
AdonisSMU is online now   1 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 5, 2013, 10:14 PM   #16
danpass
macrumors 68020
 
danpass's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Miami, FL
Pffffttt. We knew it would eventually be retina and we knew it would be 2048 since that is the only logical resolution to maintain app integrity.
danpass is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 5, 2013, 10:33 PM   #17
LightOnAHill
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Talking

Quote:
Originally Posted by AdonisSMU View Post
Wait so you cant enjoy it if you dont have the newest toy on the market? How does a new iPad effect your enjoyment of your current iPad?
I think he meant it as a joke, hence the pink smiley face...
LightOnAHill is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:27 AM   #18
temna
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: May 2008
Considering all the issues the manufacturers had with the current mini screen and the new generation screens for the iPad 5, can anyone realistically see a retina iPad mini before October? Let's be realistic and not fanboy crazy. Hell, I'd be surprised to see retina before the mini 3 at the rate things are going for screen development and production, especially considering they don't want Samsung anywhere near this production.
__________________
MacBook Air 11, i5 1.4, 4GB, 256GB
iPad mini retina slate 128gb LTE with Logitech Ultrathin keyboard
temna is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 04:48 AM   #19
daywiz
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Just to avoid confusion and clarify the discrepancy between the resolution & PPI, here is the simple explanation.

Product: Present ipad mini
Resolution: 1024 768
PPI: 163

Product: Supposed retina ipad mini
Resolution: 2048 1536 ( exactly double
PPI: 326


Reason for the confusion:

Most of the website are considering the iPad Mini to be 7.9" , when its actually on 7.85".

Look at the calculation below to understand the difference

Product: CLAIMED SIZE ipad mini
Resolution: 1024 768
Screen Size: 7.9"
PPI: 162.03

Product: ACTUAL ipad mini
Resolution: 1024 768
Screen Size: 7.85"
PPI: 163.06


Likewise the supposed RETINA ipad Mini

Product: CLAIMED SIZE ipad mini
Resolution: 2048 1536
Screen Size: 7.9"
PPI: 324.05 *

Product: ACTUAL ipad mini
Resolution: 2048 1536
Screen Size: 7.85"
PPI: 326.11*

Therefore, you can be sure if they are going for Retina its going to 326 ppi for sure, just like all the other iOS Retina devices hitting the 326 ppi. The only exception is the full size ipad, which is 263.92, just shy of 264.


Hope that clears the confusion.



Last edited by daywiz; Feb 6, 2013 at 04:59 AM.
daywiz is offline   3 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 06:42 AM   #20
palpatine
Thread Starter
macrumors 68040
 
Join Date: May 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by jabingla2810 View Post
http://ultratechtalk.com/ipad-mini-2...etina-display/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/14/ipad_rumors/

http://venturebeat.com/2012/12/14/ru...-going-retina/

http://512pixels.net/2013/01/a5x-retina-mini/

These websites theorise an iPad mini with 326 PPI.

They are only rumours like the your original post, however they make much more sense. I mean you only have to do the sum 163(PPI of iPad Mini)x2.
Thanks!
palpatine is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 02:51 PM   #21
A Hebrew
macrumors 6502a
 
A Hebrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Minnesota
That rumor is not baseless. Apple will NOT give it a different resolution because that would be a hassle for devs and users.
__________________
2012 13" MacBook Air | 2012 27" iMac | iPad 3 | iPhone 5
A Hebrew is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 7, 2013, 07:56 AM   #22
hobx
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
You know, I have a sneaking suspicion that apple is going to wait to the iPad 3 for this upgrade and go for a proc and graphics upgrade. Apple likes to get as much as possible from its hardware and the current screen will only have had a year of sales, not much for all the development that went into it. It will drive us nuts, but the general public will still buy them en masse.
hobx is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 7, 2013, 08:05 AM   #23
Xiroteus
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
If this does get a retina display (it has to) of this level I would seriously think about picking this up, however I want to see what the iPad 5 does first and of course I am still looking at the Surface, this would be in line price wise.
Xiroteus is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 7, 2013, 08:23 AM   #24
D.T.
macrumors 68030
 
D.T.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Vilano Beach, FL
It's kind of a no-brainer for Apple to use 2048x1536 - existing apps work OOTB, no additional assets for "retina spec" apps, the physical size of the device using that resolution produces touch target/UI elements that are within the HIG guidelines, not to mention it should look amazing at 326PPI.

The real question is SOC, battery life and form factor.

The A5X in some variant makes sense: it'll run a 2048 display at [roughly] the same performance as an A5/1024, and if they package it up like they did for the iPad 3, the Mini 2 will also see a RAM bump to 1GB.

That being said, it seems like the A6 is the trend for high[er] end devices, unless Apple wants to position the standard iPad as higher end vs. the Mini (as opposed to simply a difference in form factor).

Otherwise it'll be a decision based on A5X vs. A6X:

Which one is cheaper.
Which one run cooler, uses less power.

One thing I'd be curious about, A5X vs. A6 (non-X) in terms of GPU power. We know the standard A6 is incredibly fast on the iP5, but that's pushing ~2.4 million less pixels. If A6 @ 2048 == A5 @ 1024, I could see them developing from the A6 (though the 4th Gen AppleTV might be an indicator of more widespread use of the A5X for the coming year...)
__________________
"I am not in danger, Skyler. I am the danger. A guy opens his door and gets shot, and you think that of me? No, I am the one who knocks." ~Walter White
D.T. is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 7, 2013, 09:04 AM   #25
Davejprince
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: The Netherlands
The Retina-display, now on the iPad Mini.
REVOLUTIONARY!
__________________
Black iPhone 4s, iPad 2, Asus K55V Notebook, customized Windows desktop;
Davejprince is offline   0 Reply With Quote

Reply
MacRumors Forums > iPhone, iPod and iPad > iPad

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Similar Threads
thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
iPad Mini Retina - Dead pixels on one, yellow/pink screen on the other Valkyria iPad Tips, Help and Troubleshooting 1 Dec 16, 2013 05:46 AM
All iPads: If the iPad 5 has the same resolution (PPI) as iPad Mini Retina, which will you buy? seasurfer iPad 17 Jan 14, 2013 01:33 PM
iPad: iPad 3 / 4 Retina 2048 X 2048 Wallpapers Hooterville UI Customization 0 Jan 5, 2013 05:43 PM
iPad Mini: iPad Mini has higher ppi than Microsoft surface Hpye iPad 35 Nov 7, 2012 11:04 AM
iPhone 5 Resolution, PPI, Pixels and Aspect ratio Technarchy iPhone 11 Jun 2, 2012 03:16 PM

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:03 PM.

Mac Rumors | Mac | iPhone | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Mobile Version | Fixed | Fluid | Fluid HD
Copyright 2002-2013, MacRumors.com, LLC