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Old Feb 6, 2013, 10:20 AM   #26
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The problem is you're then asking teachers or administrators to judge what is "heroic" vs. merely violent. That IMO is why they made the rule an "absolute' rule, because they did not want to become arbiters of appropriate vs. inappropriate violence. They simply wanted to say that no violence was acceptable.
Is it so difficult to talk to child and ask him what/why he is doing that?

"blowing up baddies" could then be changed to "saving goodies".

Although I will give exception if the child is doing this ALL the time, every day, week after week, something is wrong.


Unfortunately, now Kindergarten is becoming a Lawyers playground, and the average citizen has little clue about Law.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 10:39 AM   #27
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Is it so difficult to talk to child and ask him what/why he is doing that?
I agree that somebody (I'm assuming the teacher) should have pulled him aside and reminded him that any kind of play fighting is against the rules.

As I said earlier, I think suspending the kid was harsh.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 10:40 AM   #28
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Just more rules put in place by people ill equipped to deal with the issues at their jobs. Sad.

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Because 7 year olds are so familiar with the concept of a blowjob. Must be all the porn they watch on TV.
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?se...les&id=8977970
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 10:52 AM   #29
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I said it was harsh.

However, re-read the quote from the OP ...



The school had established and posted this "absolute" ban. That means it's very important for parents and children to be aware of and not break this rule.

If the parents and child were properly notified of this rule and the child still violated it, how is the schools at fault for punishing the child?

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The parents can remind their children.

They did that to me when I was growing up.

Little Johnny: [making exploding noises]

Mom: Remember Little Johnny, you can't make those noises at school. You'll get sent home.

Little Johnny: Aw. Gee whiz, mom.
The thing is, imagination is not pre-planned. It happens at the spur of a moment. A child's imagination cannot be prevented or predicted. Your own imagination can't either for that matter. Have you ever had a day dream that surprised you? Your mind is an incredibly complex mechanism and to attempt control imagination of any kind with rules is absurd.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 11:23 AM   #30
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Is that harsh? Yes.

But I'm sure the boy's parents were told about those rules.

And they should have impressed upon their son the importance to abide by them.

Suspension isn't the end of the word.

I doubt it will affect him getting into the college of his choice.
Because a 7 year old really has developed the inherent concept of a 'thought crime' being bad yeah?
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 11:27 AM   #31
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When I was a kid I pretended to be Luke Skywalker with a pretend light saber...you get suspended for that these days? Emasculating...
When I was a teenager my high school looked liked an open park. Passed by it recently and it looked like a locked down prison with high gates every where
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 11:48 AM   #32
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Just more rules put in place by people ill equipped to deal with the issues at their jobs. Sad.



http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?se...les&id=8977970
Unfortunately the parent toward the end of that clip doesn't sound very intelligent, assuming his comments were not taken out of context. I'm referring to where he calls his son a predator. Children obviously require some amount of education. You can't necessarily apply adult labels to them or expect them to think like adults.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 11:48 AM   #33
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They need to throw the rule out
They can't. That would involve violence, either real or imaginary.

The imaginary violence is to the person whose baby pet rule is being knifed thrown out "dispended".
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 11:55 AM   #34
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The school had established and posted this "absolute" ban. That means it's very important for parents and children to be aware of and not break this rule.
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If the rule doesn't make any sense to adults, how in the world does someone expect a SEVEN year old to not only understand it, but keep that rule in his mind every time he is at recess? Kids don't think like adults, and I doubt you could get an adult to even follow this rule when playing with their children. It's ignoring basic human nature.

Did this school take away board games such as risk? Wouldn't want that simulated warfare in the school you know....
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:09 PM   #35
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I completely agree with all the above posters, this for me is one of those "Only in America" moments.
For once, I agree with you. Who'd thought?
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:30 PM   #36
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If the rule doesn't make any sense to adults, how in the world does someone expect a SEVEN year old to not only understand it, but keep that rule in his mind every time he is at recess? Kids don't think like adults, and I doubt you could get an adult to even follow this rule when playing with their children. It's ignoring basic human nature.
The rule is also insidiously undermining its own purpose. You are forbidden from expressing imaginary weapons or violence. However, there's no way to know if you're only thinking about those things, so as long as it's not expressed, no one can tell if you're violating the rule. Problem solved.

Clearly, we need to teach the kids how to dissemble, how to bottle up their feelings, how to present a placid exterior despite seething internal turmoil, and to never ever consult school officials or other authority figures if one somehow begins to feel like expressing violence. I don't think Screwtape himself could have invented a better rule.
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I don't think Screwtape himself could have invented a better rule.
Thanks for the reference! I learned something new today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screwtape
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 01:14 PM   #38
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Is that harsh? Yes.

But I'm sure the boy's parents were told about those rules.

And they should have impressed upon their son the importance to abide by them.

Suspension isn't the end of the word.

I doubt it will affect him getting into the college of his choice.
"I'm sorry, kid. It's against the rules to be a kid and play pretend. If you can't abide by them, you reap the consequences".

...if only I could reach through the internet to slap copious amounts of sense into someone. God DAMN it's practically a driving need for me right now after reading what you just said.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 01:22 PM   #39
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Oh my home town of Loveland.....

First balloon boy in FC and this. awesome!

guess no more cops and robbers, cowboys and indians. crap, I remember playing those in college with fellow dormmates here in FC
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I'm trying to think of something productive to add to this discussion, but I've got nothing.

So I'm just going to call everyone in charge at this school morons and move on.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 01:29 PM   #41
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I'm trying to think of something productive to add to this discussion, but I've got nothing.

So I'm just going to call everyone in charge at this school morons and move on.
There's nothing really to say. All you can do is facepalm yourself, shed a silent tear at the stupidity of our public school system, and move on with life, hoping for the best all the while.
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If the rule doesn't make any sense to adults, how in the world does someone expect a SEVEN year old to not only understand it ....
Does that rule make no sense to you?

I understand it pretty clearly.

No fighting or playing with weapons ... real or imaginary.

That's pretty straight forward.
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Thanks for the reference! I learned something new today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screwtape
The book is well worth reading. I learned a lot from it: thoughts vs. deeds, the nature of temptation, the banality of evil, and salesmanship.
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"I'm sorry, kid. It's against the rules to be a kid and play pretend. If you can't abide by them, you reap the consequences".
Playing pretend — fighting or playing with weapons — On school grounds.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 01:43 PM   #45
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Playing pretend fighting or playing with weapons On school grounds.
IMAGINARY weapons in this situation.

In other words, if I were to take my index finger, go "pew pew pew" at you, and scream "HAHA! I JUST SHOT YOU WITH MY LAZER GUN" I'd be breaking their idiotic rule.

What would you do if you were victimized in such a fashion? Run to the nearest local news station with tears streaming down your cheeks, and play up the undue suffering I've inflicted upon you? Talk about how how you felt personally threatened by my actions, how I violated your comfort zone?

Hell, I guess that's a good a reason as any to put armed guards in our schools? I mean what's next? Imaginary bazookas? When will this madness end?
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 01:45 PM   #46
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What is wrong with society ?

when I was a kid we played cowboys and indians and soldiers all the time on the playground.

Paranoia does indeed strike deep.

Sad times indeed.
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Does that rule make no sense to you?

I understand it pretty clearly.

No fighting or playing with weapons ... real or imaginary.

That's pretty straight forward.
No, the rule makes NO sense to me.

School should be ashamed of itself
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...Paranoia does indeed strike deep...
... into your life it will creep...
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What is wrong with society ?

when I was a kid we played cowboys and indians and soldiers all the time on the playground.

Paranoia does indeed strike deep.

Sad times indeed.
There were occasions I'd pretend the jungle gym was a spaceship. Some of my friends would be at the top, manning the "gun" stationed up there, as my other friends, as the aliens, would try to rush us and climb the gym to win.

There was always conflict. Plenty of "I totally shot you, man" "NUH UH! IT MISSED ME BY A MILE" arguments heard across the playground on those days. Eventually we'd get tired of arguing, and end up trading Nintendo Powers and drawing comics until the bell rang.

It was truly a sick and disgusting environment to grow up in. These days, every last one of us would've been suspended and sent to other schools. Our friendships torn apart because we didn't follow the rules. But that's what happens. Those rules are now in place for a reason.

...right?
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In other words, if I were to take my index finger, go "pew pew pew" at you, and scream "HAHA! I JUST SHOT YOU WITH MY LAZER GUN" I'd be breaking their idiotic rule.
Yes. And not just in that school.

There have been a number of news stories of children being punished for doing exactly that.

Sounds like parents need to teach their children that they can't do that on school grounds.
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