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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:20 AM   #76
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64 gb - 899$ and 128 GB 999$... Hmmmmm... And there I thought only apple charges huge amounts for a mere 64 GB of extra memory...

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Apple charges you $100 for 64Gb after they've already charged you $100 for 32GB extra and $100 for 16GB extra. Apple is good at skimping on memory to make their base prices lower, then charging a huge premium for memory. Even better for them now that most of their devices don't have user upgradable memory.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:22 AM   #77
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\So just remember that even if the first version sucks (and for any product, it's almost bound to), the revisions are what you really need to watch out for.
The iPad rocked the house right out of the gate!
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:22 AM   #78
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When they're charging that price, the cheap piece of polyurethane keyboard shoukd be thrown in for free.
Like the leather smart cover with your initials in gold leaf that Apple includes with the 128GB iPad?
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:22 AM   #79
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30GB available for a 64GB storage? Who would put up with that kind of crap? Just get a MacBook Air.....
Windows fanboys like the people that hangout at Neowin. Would you believe that those guys actually love Windows 8's start screen and attacked someone creating an add-on for windows 8 that adds back functionality that was present in Windows 7? I'm not joking. They are really that delusional.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:23 AM   #80
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I've read this before when the original Surface came out, too heavy for a tablet and too slow to be a good laptop. I really hope it works for MS as it will push Apple and others to improve their products.

I do think Apple releasing a 128Gb iPad now is the first direct result, otherwise when now wait for the mid year iPad updates?

FYI this whole touch screen thing, just got my new 27" iMac and the first thing my 16yo nephew said when he saw it, does it have touch. Now I've only used it 2 days but I never felt the need to reach out and touch the screen.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:25 AM   #81
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If you go back to Black Friday, Microsoft didn't even sell one tablet,

This proves it... If nobody wants something, just because theirs a sale on, then something is wrong. On the other hand, maybe people didn't give it time to adjust.

Regardless, the idea of a tablet, doubling as a laptop, is ok,,,, I mean the ipad does that do,... and most others you can add a keyboard the tablet docks to, but people still buy the ipad.

Theres more to this game than just the keyboard.......

Pehaps people don't like Windows 8 ? That would explain a lot.

The Pro coming out is good, but still people refuse...

Microsoft needs to go back to the drawing board.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:26 AM   #82
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:28 AM   #83
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Maybe that's the reason Apple decided to come out with a 128GB version of the iPad. I know you can't compare two different products meant for different things, but iPad 128GB @ $799 vs Microsoft Slate 128GB @ $999. I think we can all agree that the 128GB iPad is a much better deal
How does Excel run on the iPad?
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:30 AM   #84
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The day Microsoft gives up Windows and moves to some flavor of Unix or Linux they'll be MUCH better off. First of all, they wont have to take a massive 30GB slice out of the SSD... No normal OS takes up that much space. In general, Windows is ridiculously bloated.
They could have abandoned Internet Explorer's proprietary rendering engine a long time ago too, and gone with WebKit like Apple and Google did. That would have saved them a huge amount of resources and saved web developers around the world from having to support all IE's crazy quirks. But no. It's not the Microsoft way.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:32 AM   #85
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Once Office for iOS comes out, this thing is toast, I think. I mean, really, in terms of a tablet, running Office natively is about the only thing these devices have over an iPad at this point.

App Store? iPad is the clear winner. Battery life? iPad is the clear winner. Availability of third-party accessories to expand the functionality of the device? Again, iPad is the clear winner.

I just don't know what expectations someone could have of a tablet/notebook device that the Surface Pro could meet. Clearly, it's not targeted to the segment of the population that wants a cheaper notebook or tablet because the Surface Pro is more expensive than even Apple's tablet and notebook offerings. I obviously don't understand what Microsoft's strategy is here.

Also, if this thing is designed to handle the software I currently use in Windows, am I supposed to transfer all the contents of the software installation discs to my SkyDrive account or a USB flash drive in order to get them on the Surface Pro? How many people are really going to do that?
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:34 AM   #86
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Everyone wants to be portable, but looks like people don't mind the limitation of i.devices.

Then again, it all good be because the ipad looks better designed than the Surface. *shrugs*

The Surface will die, before it even it even starts.

There, i said it ..

The ipad didn't have this issue.... They sold like hot-cakes, (and still do)

Its strange hopping to see something great, Microsoft over-hypes everyone, and then it comes out........ Even ones anticipation drops like 97%, as they hoped it would be better.

Weird how that happens
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:35 AM   #87
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Tablets have already replaced laptops for 99.9% of the general public.
Right.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:36 AM   #88
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How does Excel run on the iPad?
Why do you need excel on an iPad? There are several options for opening, editing and creating XLSX files on an iPad right now.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:37 AM   #89
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How does Excel run on the iPad?
Actually the real question is : How does Excel run on the MacBook Air ?

Answer : better than on Surface.

How good is the iPad as a light portable consumption/light work tablet ?

Answer : better than on Surface.

That's the real problem Microsoft is facing with this Surface Pro.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:39 AM   #90
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From the concluding remarks of that review:

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If however you do a lot of typing in your lap and in weird positions, a conventional notebook is better suited for you.
Weird positions? What I think he's trying to say is, a dedicated laptop computer is better at being a laptop computer.

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The same goes for if you’re considering a tablet for reasons like all-day battery life or having something that’s super thin and light.
In other words, a dedicated tablet is better at being a tablet.

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I still believe Microsoft has the right idea here. It just needs some more iterations.
Well, at least the guy has faith!
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:41 AM   #91
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Also, about the digitizer, assuming there is a good painting/drawing software on Android (just don't know the platform very well, an Artist on the "move" would probably be better served with a Galaxy Note 10.1 than with the Surface Pro.

On a side note also, considering the already big appeal Apple has in the "artist/design" market, a digitizer on the iPad would be a very smart move for them.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:42 AM   #92
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Okay… now everyone who keeps insisting that Apple merge iOS and OS X and run it on some Mac/iPad hybrid—observe closely! Microsoft has gone to a lot of effort here just to show you all why Apple chose not to do it.
Exactly!

It's unfortunate when people talk about "the dying pc market." Which would be like saying that telephone calls are dying because texting is growing exponentially.

Using a PC to do almost anything is about 10x faster than on a tablet. No chance the majority of computer work will happen on a tablet.

The PC industry is dying, not the PC market. All companies in highly competitive markets eventually have a zero profit margin, as they struggle for market share.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:42 AM   #93
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Why do you need excel on an iPad? There are several options for opening, editing and creating XLSX files on an iPad right now.
Read the post I replied to.

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Actually the real question is : How does Excel run on the MacBook Air ?

Answer : better than on Surface.

How good is the iPad as a light portable consumption/light work tablet ?

Answer : better than on Surface.

That's the real problem Microsoft is facing with this Surface Pro.
So you've already run Excel on the Surface Pro and the MBA? In what ways is it better on the MBA? Easier to use? Does it run faster? More efficient?
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:42 AM   #94
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There will be some for whom this will be perfect. Just not me!
Someone with a wheeled carrying case and a bunch of extension cords?
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:44 AM   #95
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We shouldn't say anything before we actually try using the product. iPad also received lots of criticism when it was announced. However, only having 30GB of usable storage when it is advertised as 64GB will be frustrating.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:44 AM   #96
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My 21" Cintiq died years ago and I started using my 12" backup Cintiq while I waited for my new 21" to arrive. But after a week of using the 12" Cintiq I realized it was actually big enough. So I canceled the 21" order and I've been using the 12" Cintiq for years now.

I'm interested in the Surface Pro as a drawing tool (not as a replacement for my Macbook Pro), just to run Photoshop and Storyboard Pro. It costs about the same as a Cintiq 12 WX, but it's a hell of a lot more portable. And if I can slide the image around using multi-touch, then a 10" screen would probably be fine; it's not too big a step down from 12. Just going by the reviews, though, I'm not sure it's compelling enough to win over many non-artists.
I wonder if this thing could get 'hackintoshed' to run OSX?

Interest piqued ...
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Just like Microsoft, let's trying doing the same thing we did when we failed to make a tablet before and see what happens. Idiots.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:47 AM   #98
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How does Excel run on the iPad?
And that is the biggest problem. If apple wants to win business they need office on the iPad.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:51 AM   #99
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We shouldn't say anything before we actually try using the product. iPad also received lots of criticism when it was announced. However, only having 30GB of usable storage when it is advertised as 64GB will be frustrating.
Like buying a new car, only to discover the trunk and back seat already full of someone else's crap. Oh, and only a 4 gallon gas tank.
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Looks good for businesses. I'm unsure about my notebook future since my purchase of the Nexus 7. I wish I had a keyboard/mouse on that thing but it lacks the power and it's not x86.
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