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Old Feb 6, 2013, 09:31 AM   #1
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 09:33 AM   #2
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 09:36 AM   #3
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I rarely get anything of value in the mail anymore
All my bills are electronic, as are my payments

Mainly get solicitations, ads, catalogs, flyers, coupons and plain old junk mail
Most packages come by UPS or FedEx as well

I only check our mailbox every couple of weeks to clean it out and throw away the trash

Only rarely do we get:
New credit/debit cards
Car insurance cards
Birthday or Christmas cards

Oh, and Netflix
and if they would stream their whole catalog I wouldn't need that
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 09:47 AM   #4
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Yeah. Almost everything the post office puts in my mailbox goes straight to the trash can. Honestly I'd be okay with them delivering to me once a week so long as they agreed to not keep my junk mail around.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 09:52 AM   #5
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And so things change. I'm old enough to remember when we had mail delivery TWICE each day.

For some of us, mail does matter...and for more than Netflix!
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 09:52 AM   #6
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 09:54 AM   #7
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The article I read said they will still deliver packages on Sat, just not first-class mail.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 10:14 AM   #8
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It surprises me USPS is struggling. Here in Canada, Canada Post is one the most profitable businesses around. Huge money maker for our government. Maybe USPS should follow by example. As for Saturday delivery, good luck here. I have been in Canada since early 80's and do not ever remember Saturday deliver.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 10:14 AM   #9
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And so things change. I'm old enough to remember when we had mail delivery TWICE each day.

For some of us, mail does matter...and for more than Netflix!
I'm also of that certain age that remembers postal deliveries twice a day, except for cards (birthday, christmas, funerals etc) I've not used snail mail in decades.

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The article I read said they will still deliver packages on Sat, just not first-class mail.
I know that this article was for the US, but it's the same here, letter delivery was stopped on Mondays to save money.
Letter post is a dead business, the package post is bigger than ever before, you might shop online, but the package has to come by post. (TNT)
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 10:16 AM   #10
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I rarely get anything of value in the mail anymore
All my bills are electronic, as are my payments

Mainly get solicitations, ads, catalogs, flyers, coupons and plain old junk mail
Most packages come by UPS or FedEx as well

I only check our mailbox every couple of weeks to clean it out and throw away the trash

Only rarely do we get:
New credit/debit cards
Car insurance cards
Birthday or Christmas cards

Oh, and Netflix
and if they would stream their whole catalog I wouldn't need that
This exactly.

I'm glad they're stopping Saturday delivery. It's bound to save them some money. And who needs bills on a Saturday anyway ?
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 10:21 AM   #11
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It surprises me USPS is struggling. Here in Canada, Canada Post is one the most profitable businesses around. Huge money maker for our government. Maybe USPS should follow by example. As for Saturday delivery, good luck here. I have been in Canada since early 80's and do not ever remember Saturday deliver.
Congress, in all of their infinite wisdom, forced USPS to fund their pensions 70 years ahead. So right now, they're paying for the pensions of employees who haven't been born yet. That's why they're struggling.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 11:33 AM   #12
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It surprises me USPS is struggling. Here in Canada, Canada Post is one the most profitable businesses around. Huge money maker for our government. Maybe USPS should follow by example. As for Saturday delivery, good luck here. I have been in Canada since early 80's and do not ever remember Saturday deliver.
firedept is right. I think there are bunch of things that Canada Post has done. One of which, it got spun off as a Crown Corporation. Which means that it is a corporation, and manages it's own affairs (instead of the politicians). The Government is the sole shareholder and therefore gets all profits. It also sets the terms of service (the standards of delivery, etc) and appoints the CEO... but... it doesn't meddle in the day to day stuff. It also means that when Canada Post makes a politically unpopular decision the politicians don't take the flak for it... they can point the finger at Canada Post management.

And boy did they make a lot of unpopular decisions...

But, as pointed out, they make a profit. They bought Purolator in Canada and run it as a subsidiary. The Post Office uses Purolator for it's overnight deliveries. They started closing many Post Offices, and replaced them with retail outlets. A store or pharmacy or whatever pays Canada Post for the privilege of having outlet in the store. Canada Post provides the signage, fixtures, computers, etc. It becomes a mini-store inside the host store. The hosting store trains their own staff to run the Post Office outlet. These retail outlets have extended hours, staying open late at night and on weekends... when people need them.

Homes built in the last number of years don't get home delivery any more, instead the post office delivers to "Super Boxes" (or whatever they are called). Essentially a bunch of mailboxes all combined into one unit, and located centrally (in theory) to the neighbourhood. You drive by your box to get or deposit your mail.

Other things to... like Canada Post got into the business of "delivering" electronic bills early, setting up as being on-line store's order taking and delivery services. They foresaw some of what the internet meant for 'snail mail' and tried (more or less successfully) to be part of it instead of fighting it.

I think because it is so easy to use Canada Post, many Canadians still do. We still send lots of cards and post cards, just because we like getting ans sending mail. In my community, if you get something into the post box in the morning, it is delivered to elsewhere in the community the next business day (5 day a week service). So I get next day courier service (locally) for $0.63. You can't beat that service, eh!?
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 11:42 AM   #13
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I think because it is so easy to use Canada Post, many Canadians still do. We still send lots of cards and post cards, just because we like getting ans sending mail. In my community, if you get something into the post box in the morning, it is delivered to elsewhere in the community the next business day (5 day a week service). So I get next day courier service (locally) for $0.63. You can't beat that service, eh!?
USPS tends to also be overnight within cities, for $0.46, so yes, you can beat that, eh!
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 11:55 AM   #14
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This is good. More people need to start using online services. We can save a lot of paper and gas (fuel). I can't wait until USPS delivers mail only once a week.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:32 PM   #15
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And so things change. I'm old enough to remember when we had mail delivery TWICE each day.

For some of us, mail does matter...and for more than Netflix!
As am I. Twice a day, imagine that.

And, in the time before the First World War, there were four to five deliveries a day in the UK; one could receive a luncheon invitation by post early in the morning, and have time to send a reply, accepting, knowing it would be delivered (and received, on time) so that the luncheon appointment could then take place, as arranged.

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I'm also of that certain age that remembers postal deliveries twice a day, except for cards (birthday, christmas, funerals etc) I've not used snail mail in decades.



I know that this article was for the US......
Letter post is a dead business, the package post is bigger than ever before, you might shop online, but the package has to come by post. (TNT)
That is true - and sometimes, I phone in orders, rather than merely relying on the click of a computer, in order to ensure that the process is entirely error free. And yes, parcels still must arrive by post.

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This is good. More people need to start using online services. We can save a lot of paper and gas (fuel). I can't wait until USPS delivers mail only once a week.
The tolerance and open mindedness of youth........

There are still a great many people who, for a variety of reasons, for example, age: (Many elderly people are still unnerved and utterly ill at ease about online transactions; I still do all of my mother's by phone or visit the business in person as she is unable and unwilling to master computer literacy);

Those who live in remote regions, who may not have access to modern connections: I defy telecoms - in our profit driven age - to make a serious effort to try to link up remote unprofitable, poorer, more remote regions.

Education: Hm.. When we think of tech savvy kids, we're impressed. I am. However, even in some of the western countries (I don't even cite those from deprived underdeveloped countries) have ordinary literacy problems; most western societies have an underclass which has not been integrated into the mainstream, many of whose members are not in a position to benefit from technological revolutions because the economic and social choices we make tend to exclude them from access to what they need to know and learn.

There are other reasons, too.

Re saving paper, must confess that I print out anything important, (letters, receipts); anyway, I wouldn't see that as the strongest argument for encouraging online transactions.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 12:41 PM   #16
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USPS tends to also be overnight within cities, for $0.46, so yes, you can beat that, eh!
That is great service... I don't mind being 'beaten' by that. I think the post office is missing an opportunity here. There still many 'things' that need to be delivered. The post office, in certain areas, can compete with private couriers on service standards for a small fraction of the cost of private couriers. Which courier can offer next day service for half a dollar? Only the post office. They need to promote that advantage more, I think... whether it's the US or Canadian service.

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This is good. More people need to start using online services. We can save a lot of paper and gas (fuel). I can't wait until USPS delivers mail only once a week.
Except for all the paper that gets used then printing the online message/bill/etc. And it's a full sheet, plus ink, for even the smallest messages. We like to send postcards.... Plus the cost of the postcard itself is advertizing for me (I'm a photographer, and use my own images).
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Almost everything the post office puts in my mailbox goes straight to the trash can.
Don't you have recycling?

The only reason I open some of my mail is to verify that Mediacom (who I will never, ever use again but who keeps sending me ads--or, at least, a third party does it on their behalf and apparently can't be stopped) hasn't put anything un-recyclable inside the advertising envelope.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 01:08 PM   #19
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I'm sad to see the Post Office, an institution older than our Constitution, get gutted the way it has mostly for the purpose of busting unions.

Damn Bush and all his right-wing cronies who siphoned money out of the Post Office by requiring it to pay $5 billion per year into a pension plan for people who aren't even born yet.... seriously?
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I'm sad to see the Post Office, an institution older than our Constitution, get gutted the way it has mostly for the purpose of busting unions.

Damn Bush and all his right-wing cronies who siphoned money out of the Post Office by requiring it to pay $5 billion per year into a pension plan for people who aren't even born yet.... seriously?
Actually, I agree pretty much completely with you.

Properly managed, post offices can actually turn a handy profit while, at the same time, offering much needed services.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 01:40 PM   #21
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I rarely get anything of value in the mail anymore
All my bills are electronic, as are my payments

Mainly get solicitations, ads, catalogs, flyers, coupons and plain old junk mail
Most packages come by UPS or FedEx as well

I only check our mailbox every couple of weeks to clean it out and throw away the trash

Only rarely do we get:
New credit/debit cards
Car insurance cards
Birthday or Christmas cards

Oh, and Netflix
and if they would stream their whole catalog I wouldn't need that
Same here... my Mailbox only gets checked for Insurance Cards, and Credit/Debit Cards.

Everything else is electronic or UPS/Fedex.

Although I must say, USPS new Flat Rate boxes look damn good when you ship.
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If you want to talk about the politics behind this, please do so in PRSI, not here.

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Actually, I agree pretty much completely with you.

Properly managed, post offices can actually turn a handy profit while, at the same time, offering much needed services.


Exactly. Out of all the Federal level agencies, it's the one closest to the people. Seriously, there's one in almost every town in this great country. And without it, we wouldn't have our roadways as well! (Article 1, Section 8.7 of the US Constitution)

Not only can we send parcels through USPS, we can also have it provide other services. I don't know about you but I like know that I don't have to go all the way to the nearest Federal Office (Federal Building, the closes being about 25 miles away from me) to get a passport.
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YES!! I won't have to write any bills all weekend. :-)

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