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Old Feb 6, 2013, 04:01 PM   #26
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This is good. More people need to start using online services. We can save a lot of paper and gas (fuel). I can't wait until USPS delivers mail only once a week.
I don't think my Netflix would work out well getting it once / week.

I hope at least the post office will remain open Saturday morning. Many of us work and it's difficult to get to the Post Office during the week. I would rather have the Post Office closed on Sunday and Monday.

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I won't miss Saturday delivery.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 04:06 PM   #27
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Congress, in all of their infinite wisdom, forced USPS to fund their pensions 70 years ahead. So right now, they're paying for the pensions of employees who haven't been born yet. That's why they're struggling.

Congress also has all kinds of limitations on what services they can't offer and won't allow them to raise stamp prices where they need to be. I'm sorry, 46 cents to mail a letter anywhere in the US is way too cheap.

That said, the USPS should have a long term plan to whittle down mail delivery to residences to 2 days a week. That is more than enough in this digital world.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 04:31 PM   #28
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the stoppage starts Aug 5 2013
They need 6 months to figure out how to do this?
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 05:14 PM   #29
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They need 6 months to figure out how to do this?
You'd rather they stop this weekend with no warning to customers?
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 05:15 PM   #30
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Congress also has all kinds of limitations on what services they can't offer and won't allow them to raise stamp prices where they need to be. I'm sorry, 46 cents to mail a letter anywhere in the US is way too cheap.

That said, the USPS should have a long term plan to whittle down mail delivery to residences to 2 days a week. That is more than enough in this digital world.
The only problem is that less mail delivery will mean less money coming in. Most of the money coming in is from junk mail and less delivery days means less junk mail (good for us, bad for the USPS).
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 05:27 PM   #31
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The only problem is that less mail delivery will mean less money coming in. Most of the money coming in is from junk mail and less delivery days means less junk mail (good for us, bad for the USPS).

How does less days equal less junk mail? The current volume of junk mail you get today spread out over 6 days will now be spread over 5.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 05:34 PM   #32
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How does less days equal less junk mail? The current volume of junk mail you get today spread out over 6 days will now be spread over 5.
It's not linear (1 day less doesn't mean 1/6 less) but it will greatly impact the amount of junk mail sent especially if they reduce delivery to 1 or 2 days / week as some people want. Most advertisers will be looking for other means of advertising.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 05:36 PM   #33
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You'd rather they stop this weekend with no warning to customers?
Of course not. However, it shouldn't take 6 months to implement a one day stoppage.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 05:45 PM   #34
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Of course not. However, it shouldn't take 6 months to implement a one day stoppage.

I'm sure they have issues to deal with like unions, personnel and scheduling. Organizations that big don't turn on a dime.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 05:46 PM   #35
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Of course not. However, it shouldn't take 6 months to implement a one day stoppage.
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I'm sure they have issues to deal with like unions, personnel and scheduling. Organizations that big don't turn on a dime.
Yes, that... plus contracts with customers.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 06:04 PM   #36
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It's not linear (1 day less doesn't mean 1/6 less) but it will greatly impact the amount of junk mail sent especially if they reduce delivery to 1 or 2 days / week as some people want. Most advertisers will be looking for other means of advertising.

As a marketer, I don't buy it. If you're using direct mail to reach customers or potential customers, why would mail delivery on fewer days impact that strategy? Senders often request delivery on certain days but it is not guaranteed and a day or 2 later won't really matter. If I'm the sender, I want it in your mailbox. Whether it gets there Monday or Wednesday isn't really important.

Direct mail is a slowly dying industry anyway. The USPS needs to plan beyond it.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 06:29 PM   #37
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It surprises me USPS is struggling. Here in Canada, Canada Post is one the most profitable businesses around. Huge money maker for our government. Maybe USPS should follow by example. As for Saturday delivery, good luck here. I have been in Canada since early 80's and do not ever remember Saturday deliver.
Canadian post charges around 60 cents per Canada mail, thats 30% more than US.

It also costs almost $2 per international mail from Canada, as opposed to $1 for mailing from US. That's 100% more.

If you charge enough, you can make a profit. However I find mail in Canada fairly slow.
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I hope they don't.

Post office is great and if I'm at work how can I get a package I need to sign for?


Then ups is expensive for doing the same thing and FedEx is GROSSLY expensive for the exact same thing.

I don't see how they stay in business.
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Old Feb 6, 2013, 06:38 PM   #39
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Canadian post charges around 60 cents per Canada mail, thats 30% more than US.

It also costs almost $2 per international mail from Canada, as opposed to $1 for mailing from US. That's 100% more.

If you charge enough, you can make a profit. However I find mail in Canada fairly slow.
Correction and not trying to be smart a$$. Letter Post is $0.63 for Canada and $1.10 to send to US. Mail is very quick within Canada. Anything coming in from outside of Canada is a crap shoot. And that is Canada & US Customs fault. Not any postal service. Since 911 Customs has been very slow to process mail of any kind. We are fortunate here in Canada to have a corporation run by the government that is profitable.
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Canadian post charges around 60 cents per Canada mail, thats 30% more than US.

It also costs almost $2 per international mail from Canada, as opposed to $1 for mailing from US. That's 100% more.

If you charge enough, you can make a profit. However I find mail in Canada fairly slow.
That is true. But it is also true that Canadians are way more spread out than Americans - bigger land-mass with 1/9th the population. So piece of mail typically travels far more distance. Also, as already noted above, some our prices are off a little bit.
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Like many gov't enterprises, the US Postal Service is very inefficient but unlike regular free-market businesses, it's not allowed to fail. This long overdue measure along with the postage hike will only slow the sinking of the titanic which should have been privatized years ago.
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Like many gov't enterprises, the US Postal Service is very inefficient but unlike regular free-market businesses, it's not allowed to fail. This long overdue measure along with the postage hike will only slow the sinking of the titanic which should have been privatized years ago.
You know, of course, that the Police, Teachers, Sewers, Roads, etc are also very inefficient - from an economic standpoint - because these organizations make virtually no revenue. And yet we have no issues supporting them instead of letting them fall into bankruptcy.

Just saying....

I don't know if the irony of a 'socialist' Canadian as your avatar is deliberate or not...
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Like many gov't enterprises, the US Postal Service is very inefficient but unlike regular free-market businesses, it's not allowed to fail. This long overdue measure along with the postage hike will only slow the sinking of the titanic which should have been privatized years ago.
Inefficient? Who the hell else is going to take a letter across the country in under a week for 46 cents?

Again, the only reason the USPS is in this mess is because Congress forced them to fund retirement pensions for employees who aren't born yet.
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I sold a couple of Mac Pro video cards on Monday they arrived today to the buyer and got a message one wasnt working correctly. My mistake of not packing it right I guess and no antisatic backs I had ran out so I used ziplocked bags. Anyone know I can claim from it even though I wasnt offered warrenty or asked for any for Priority Mail?
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Old Feb 7, 2013, 03:34 AM   #45
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I sold a couple of Mac Pro video cards on Monday they arrived today to the buyer and got a message one wasnt working correctly. My mistake of not packing it right I guess and no antisatic backs I had ran out so I used ziplocked bags. Anyone know I can claim from it even though I wasnt offered warrenty or asked for any for Priority Mail?
Attitudes like this can't be helping the bottom line.
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You know, of course, that the Police, Teachers, Sewers, Roads, etc are also very inefficient - from an economic standpoint - because these organizations make virtually no revenue. And yet we have no issues supporting them instead of letting them fall into bankruptcy.
My point was, the USPS would be forced to run more efficiently in the free market. The government has run it into the ground.

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I don't know if the irony of a 'socialist' Canadian as your avatar is deliberate or not...
No. Frank Drebin just makes me smile. That's a good thing, right?
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Like many gov't enterprises, the US Postal Service is very inefficient but unlike regular free-market businesses, it's not allowed to fail. This long overdue measure along with the postage hike will only slow the sinking of the titanic which should have been privatized years ago.

Yeah, we need to privatize the post office. How much do you think a letter will cost to mail if privatized? Hint, take a look at FedEx or UPS rates for letters.

The USPS uses no tax money. It is losing money because Congress mandated it. The USPS delivers to any address in the US. Do you think private companies would do that? At a reasonable rate? Here's a hint, FedEx and UPS use the USPS for a **** load of their shipments. 30.4% of FedEx Ground shipments are delivered by the USPS with 8.4% of FedEx Ground revenue is generated by shipments delivered by the Postal Service. UPS also uses them but I can't find any numbers at the moment.

Really good article on USPS.

http://www.esquire.com/features/post...s-trouble-0213
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Paper mail really just needs to be done away with. If you really need to send something, fax it, or pay high cost for shipping letters. The USPS had a time and place, but we need to begin eliminating it.
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Paper mail really just needs to be done away with. If you really need to send something, fax it, or pay high cost for shipping letters. The USPS had a time and place, but we need to begin eliminating it.
Not everybody has a computer. If they can't afford a computer to receive and pay bills online and whatnot, what makes you think they could afford the $20 it costs to send a letter through FedEx or UPS?
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Not everybody has a computer. If they can't afford a computer to receive and pay bills online and whatnot, what makes you think they could afford the $20 it costs to send a letter through FedEx or UPS?
I'm not saying do it tomorrow, but we're moving into a new, digital age. And we need to adjust. Any joe schmo can buy a tablet computer for $79 at Big Lots, or on their smart phone, or use their local library and access email. For super important stuff, sure, pay a high fee,and with volume the cost to send a letter through FedEx or UPS will go down. Still be somewhat expensive, sure, but that's the whole point.
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