Go Back   MacRumors Forums > News and Article Discussion > MacRumors.com News Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Feb 6, 2013, 08:23 PM   #76
Fatalbert
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Quote:
Originally Posted by iSayuSay View Post
Still true. Apple mouses are no more than shiny toys nowadays
As opposed to old Apple mouses? Those were designed only for style, not for right click or scroll wheels
Fatalbert is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 08:24 PM   #77
CShort
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by aristotle View Post
Are there spreadsheets for Xbox? Are there drawing apps? Are there remote access apps for xbox?
Yes, yes, and yes.
CShort is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 08:27 PM   #78
Fatalbert
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skika View Post
iPad is a computer that is personal. PC stands for "personal computer".

iPad is a computer, in many ways much more than any laptop or desktop.

Deal with it.
That makes all modern consumer electronics PCs. This includes calculators and cars. If it's a computer, and one person owns it, making it "personal", it's a PC..... No.

----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by CShort View Post
Yes, yes, and yes.
There is a spreadsheet program for XBOX 360? That sounds horrible. Are you talking about a hacked 360 that runs Ubuntu Linux?
Fatalbert is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 08:35 PM   #79
uknowimright
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by gnasher729 View Post
Here's some meaningful stats: In the last year, Apple TVs sold more units than either XBox or Wii.
Quote:
Originally Posted by gnasher729 View Post
Seriously. Apple TV sales have gone up, XBox and Wii sales have seriously dropped. Wii U was supposed to sell 5 million per year but only did 3.5 million, and Apple TV did 1.7 million in the last quarter alone, and over 4 million per year.
hmm wat...

MS shipped 5.9 million in the past quarter, they sold 750,000 on Black Friday weekend alone
uknowimright is offline   5 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 08:37 PM   #80
Renzatic
macrumors 604
 
Renzatic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Who puts the washers in the woods?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatalbert View Post
That makes all modern consumer electronics PCs. This includes calculators and cars. If it's a computer, and one person owns it, making it "personal", it's a PC..... No.
This argument has been going on around here for awhile now. An iPad is a PC about as much as a desktop or laptop is. As far as general usage goes, they're all about on par with each other. Desktops and laptops are capable of doing more (for now), but the basics among all three are exactly the same.
Renzatic is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 08:43 PM   #81
osofast240sx
macrumors 68020
 
osofast240sx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
PC=Desktop,laptop,tablet
__________________
iPhone 6+ 128Gb2010 MacBookProiPad air, ATV3Airport ExpressiPhone 5, 64Gb(wife)2014 iMac(wife)iPad mini(wife)
osofast240sx is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 08:49 PM   #82
blucurv
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhand1001 View Post
The surface pro is not underpowered and has no where near netbook level hardware. Its using core i5 which is 5-10 times faster than the atoms that were used in netbooks.
You missed the point mate, if you read the post again, you'll notice that I'm simply using the surface pro as the exact opposite of a netbook.

Netbook = underpowered, cheaply produced to be more affordable
Surface Pro = too bloated for the price.

----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by iSayuSay View Post
Still true. Apple mouses are no more than shiny toys nowadays
The Magic Mouse is so under appreciated. My wife gets frustrated, yet I can't live without it. Give me multitouch gestures and touch scrolling and I'm a happy camper.
blucurv is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 09:01 PM   #83
Mackan
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Quote:
Originally Posted by camnchar View Post
I'm responsible for 3 of those iPad purchases, including one Mini.

I'm still waiting for my personal thank you from Tim Cook.
You'll get a congratulations for from me for belonging to the 90% of... uhm... out there.
Mackan is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 09:07 PM   #84
Fatalbert
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Quote:
Originally Posted by i.mac View Post
Surface pro is a pain in the neck because of windows. Put Linux on it, it suddenly becomes a thing worth talking about.
Nah, but Linux would improve it greatly at least by gaining back some of those 30GB eaten by Windows and by being virus-free.

----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by AppleScruff1 View Post
Let's use *LTD* logic. If the numbers make Apple look good, they are relevant. If they make another company look good and Apple bad, they are irrelevant. Nice and simple.
Except when you're talking about RAM and CPU specs, right?
Fatalbert is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 09:07 PM   #85
Chupa Chupa
macrumors G3
 
Chupa Chupa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Quote:
Originally Posted by dotheDVDeed View Post
Well when we had netbooks--people complained it was a race to the bottom.

How's it different now with tablets? Will there be profits to made in the future?
Apple certainly isn't racing to the bottom. They haven't cut prices on the latest model once. Microsoft's RT tablet is not bargain priced. Or is the Kindle Fire HD. OTOH 96% of netbooks were cheap POS. I don't really see how your comparison fits.
__________________
Walled Garden ≠ Prison:
"People who use Apple products considered their options, and chose Apple. If they regret their decision, they can dump it at any time." -- Harry McCracken, Technologizer.com
Chupa Chupa is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 09:10 PM   #86
Thunderhawks
macrumors 68020
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
My my what a bunch of me vs. them from either side.

Couldn't care less about who sells how much of what.

I don't make money from any of what PCs or Apple sell, but all my stuff works well.

Hope that all companies make each other make better and better products, including Samcopy.

Just spoken as a consumer.
__________________
It's ready, when it's ready !
"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." — Benjamin Franklin
Thunderhawks is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 09:15 PM   #87
CShort
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatalbert View Post
That makes all modern consumer electronics PCs. This includes calculators and cars. If it's a computer, and one person owns it, making it "personal", it's a PC..... No.

----------



There is a spreadsheet program for XBOX 360? That sounds horrible. Are you talking about a hacked 360 that runs Ubuntu Linux?
Office 365 - use excel in the web browser. It's the same idea as Google docs if you know what I am saying. If you have a free outlook or hotmail account you can also edit excel documents using the free online version of excel. I'm sure that people who are using an XBox don't really want to use it for excel. The XBox also takes a mouse and a keyboard so it's probably the same as using the web version on a desktop. Don't ask me for too many details, I don't own an XBox.
CShort is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 09:16 PM   #88
sir1963nz
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by CShort View Post
If you are going to combine Apples iPad with desktops then you better combine the XBox too and all other gaming machines.
The iPad doesn't compare to a fully featured desktop operating system as much as a gaming console/device which also has web, email, etc. does.

Come back with meaningful stats. next time.
Best we include the iPhone, iPod Touch and perhaps the Apple TV too
sir1963nz is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 09:23 PM   #89
lifeinhd
macrumors 65816
 
lifeinhd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: 127.0.0.1
Can't believe we're still having this argument. An iPad is not a fully fledged PC, which is what matters. An iPad is a cripple. It's good for only a couple tasks, it does only one thing at once, it has artificial limitations (e.g. can't play Flash (and yes, like it or not Flash is STILL relevant)) and it suffers from terrible specs (you know there's something wrong when it can't even hold a web page open in memory for more than a few minutes). You can't even program for the iPad on the iPad-- you need a real PC for that. It's not self-sufficient.

It's also running the same OS on similar hardware as a phone. So why is the iPad considered a "PC," yet the iPhone isn't? They can all do the same exact tasks. Screen size, you say? Okay, then to paraphrase George Carlin, at what screen size does a device go from being a "PC" to being *not* a PC?

EDIT: And one more thing, Apple themselves keep pushing the iPad as a "post-PC" device. Post-PC means AFTER PC. So that means it's NOT A PC!
__________________
PowerBook G5, 1.67GHz MacBook Pro, iPhone Nano, iPhone 6, Apple Television Set

Last edited by lifeinhd; Feb 6, 2013 at 09:33 PM.
lifeinhd is offline   3 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 09:28 PM   #90
mrsir2009
macrumors 604
 
mrsir2009's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skika View Post
Yeah, nobody actually browses the web or check email with their consoles.

Try again.
While it is indeed a generalization, I have to agree that the number of people who browse the web on their consoles is on the novelty level rather than the functional level. Kinda like Siri
mrsir2009 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 09:33 PM   #91
SlCKB0Y
macrumors 68020
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Sydney, Australia
Quote:
Originally Posted by slu View Post
Counts as a PC for me. I am replacing my MacBook with a Mac Mini and will be exclusively using my ipad on the road. My ipad 2 does everything I need to do on the go. The mini will handle all serious tasks.
You're contradicting yourself. You're saying the iPad counts as a PC, except for when you need a PC (Mac Mini) for "serious tasks".

The whole point is that not even Apple considers the iPad to be a PC, hence Jobs referring to iPads as part of the "post PC era". That phrase is exclusionary and implies that iPads are not PCs.

The only people who consider iPads to be PCs are the 5 rabid zealots in this thread.
SlCKB0Y is offline   5 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 09:34 PM   #92
CShort
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by sir1963nz View Post
Best we include the iPhone, iPod Touch and perhaps the Apple TV too
That's *exactly* what I am saying (along with all their competitors).
CShort is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 09:35 PM   #93
HenryDJP
macrumors 68030
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: United States
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skika View Post
iPad is a computer that is personal. PC stands for "personal computer".

iPad is a computer, in many ways much more than any laptop or desktop.

Deal with it.
I would like to know how an iPad is in many ways much more of a personal computer than a laptop or desktop?
HenryDJP is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 09:47 PM   #94
Renzatic
macrumors 604
 
Renzatic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Who puts the washers in the woods?
Quote:
Originally Posted by SlCKB0Y View Post
The only people who consider iPads to be PCs are the 5 rabid zealots in this thread.
You better not be including me in that. Ah kee ya!

Actually, I consider the iPad a PC in much the same way I consider a Netbook one. No, they're not as powerful as my big ass desktop, but they cover the basics just as well as it does. Looking up stuff on the internet? Playing games? Watching movies? Listening to music? Typing up a document? Drawing a picture? Doing basic photo editing? The iPad does all those quite well.

It's as much a PC as my PC. Just because it can't do as much on the high end as my desktop doesn't make it any less a PC. I mean if we're going by power, would you consider a Macbook Pro less of a PC than an iMac? Would an iPad that can run a full rev of Photoshop still not be a PC by your standards?
Renzatic is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 09:48 PM   #95
yakapo
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
I wonder if apple will ever put the app store on the apple tv? If they release it with the next gen processor, app store, and a bluetooth wireless controller it would sell even better than it is selling now. I'd buy it. =D
yakapo is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 09:56 PM   #96
2IS
macrumors 68020
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skika View Post
iPad is a computer that is personal. PC stands for "personal computer".

iPad is a computer, in many ways much more than any laptop or desktop.

Deal with it.
In many ways, much less than any laptop or desktop

Deal with that



My car is personal, it has a computer, I suppose you refer to that as a PC?

My PS3 is also a PC, as is my TV, the video card alone in my desktop is also a PC as is the calculator on my desk.

Almost forgot my noise cancelling headphones. It is computer driven and doesn't get much more personal than that.
2IS is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 10:04 PM   #97
yakapo
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by Macs In LA View Post
I own an IT business, and I have yet to see any tablet other than an iPad being used in any business. I have never seen an HP or Lenovo tablet being used anywhere, even in homes. I have seen exactly two Kindle Fires ever used/bought, and both of those users ended up buying an iPad within months.

Just curious if anyone has any of the non-Apple brands actually being used institutionally. Or even with consumers.
I work for a small IT business as well. I'm fairly certain that zero of my clients have android tablets. (although my boss and I have them) Interestingly, zero of my client have apple laptops. (I use a macbook air)

I'd love to get rid of my galaxy tablet and get a ipad mini. It's just a little too expensive for the lte version. I paid about $220 for my lte tablet (used).
yakapo is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 10:09 PM   #98
Renzatic
macrumors 604
 
Renzatic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Who puts the washers in the woods?
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2IS View Post

Almost forgot my noise cancelling headphones. It is computer driven and doesn't get much more personal than that.
Can you download spreadsheets on your headphones? Can you edit photos with your car?

A tablet is just another kind of PC. From the Surface Pro down to the iPad. They're PCs.
Renzatic is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 10:16 PM   #99
mrsir2009
macrumors 604
 
mrsir2009's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skika View Post
iPad is a computer that is personal. PC stands for "personal computer".

iPad is a computer, in many ways much more than any laptop or desktop.

Deal with it.
How is it ’more’ of a computer?
mrsir2009 is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 6, 2013, 10:19 PM   #100
2IS
macrumors 68020
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
Can you download spreadsheets on your headphones? Can you edit photos with your car?

A tablet is just another kind of PC. From the Surface Pro down to the iPad. They're PCs.
Nope, can't do that, but it has a computer and it's personal. Those were the criteria were they not? What makes a PC a PC? Your definition? His? Apples? because non are the same.

Apple calls the iPad a "post PC" device, so by definition, the inventors of this product are not defining it as a PC.

You say anything that can open spread sheets and pictures. So my iPod is a PC according to you

The other guy said anything with a computer that is personal is a PC. All the examples I provided meet that criteria.
2IS is offline   1 Reply With Quote

Reply
MacRumors Forums > News and Article Discussion > MacRumors.com News Discussion

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Similar Threads
thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Apple Captures 19.5% of Global PC and Tablet Market in Q4 2013 MacRumors MacRumors.com News Discussion 101 Feb 8, 2014 09:54 PM
Apple's Share of Tablet Market Drops on Increased Android Tablet Sales MacRumors iOS Blog Discussion 76 Nov 5, 2013 09:30 AM
Tablet Market Projected to Surpass Notebooks in 2013, Total PC Market in 2015 MacRumors MacRumors.com News Discussion 89 May 29, 2013 03:48 PM
Apple Hits New High with 13.6% Share of U.S. PC Shipments in 3Q 2012, Lenovo Captures Worldwide Title MacRumors MacRumors.com News Discussion 120 Oct 13, 2012 10:13 AM
iPad's Share of Tablet Market Hits 68% in 2Q 2012 MacRumors MacRumors.com News Discussion 109 Jul 27, 2012 12:51 PM

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:31 AM.

Mac Rumors | Mac | iPhone | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Mobile Version | Fixed | Fluid | Fluid HD
Copyright 2002-2013, MacRumors.com, LLC