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Old Feb 7, 2013, 01:20 PM   #26
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I liked it better myself.
I'll put it on my wishlist today. I agree with the message of Atlas Shrugged, that's why I enjoyed that book it was just a little long. I am waiting for part 2 of the movie to come out before I watch part 1. I hope that's decent.
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Old Feb 7, 2013, 01:22 PM   #27
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I've tried to read Atlas Shrugged 3 times. Never got more than halfway through.
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Old Feb 7, 2013, 01:22 PM   #28
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Well that's funny then, because she wasn't a libertarian


Just like Jesus wasn't a Christian?
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Old Feb 7, 2013, 01:23 PM   #29
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I've tried to read Atlas Shrugged 3 times. Never got more than halfway through.
If you have a dictionary on hand it might be easier.
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Old Feb 7, 2013, 01:27 PM   #30
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I've tried to read Atlas Shrugged 3 times. Never got more than halfway through.
It's a tough read and can be quite dry. You really have to push yourself through it, but I think it gets pretty fast and good. That's why I liked Fountainhead better, it was faster, more fun, less preachy.

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Just like Ronald Reagan is the modern-day Republican god, Ayn Rand is pretty much the modern-day Libertarian god.
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Exactly. She was nuts, to say the least.
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Just like Jesus wasn't a Christian?
You haven't offered anything to debate. I've discussed substantially why she's not a libertarian, including her disliking libertarianism, with a link even.

You haven't offered an argument. =/
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Old Feb 7, 2013, 01:32 PM   #31
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You haven't offered anything to debate. I've discussed substantially why she's not a libertarian, including her disliking libertarianism, with a link even.

You haven't offered an argument. =/


Much like Jesus, Any Rand is highly associated with movements that use their name and treated like a deity. It is rather difficult to disassociate certain figures with its modern-day incarnations whose philosophies are the basis of such beliefs.

One could easily argue that Jesus wasn't a Christian but was actually a Jew. The same goes for Any Rand and libertarianism.
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Old Feb 7, 2013, 01:36 PM   #32
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Much like Jesus, Any Rand is highly associated with movements that use their name and treated like a deity. It is rather difficult to disassociate certain figures with its modern-day incarnations whose philosophies are the basis of such beliefs.
Sure. And I demonstrated how those people are wrong to use her as their hero or whatever, and even more wrong to call themselves libertarians.

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One could easily argue that Jesus wasn't a Christian but was actually a Jew. The same goes for Any Rand and libertarianism.
Well idk about Jesus, but you can't really argue that she was a libertarian when she expressed disgust toward the philosophy. You're just pointing out that people are unfamiliar with what libertarianism actually is, and hold on to beliefs and ideas that are factually incorrect.
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Old Feb 7, 2013, 02:53 PM   #33
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Well idk about Jesus, but you can't really argue that she was a libertarian when she expressed disgust toward the philosophy. You're just pointing out that people are unfamiliar with what libertarianism actually is, and hold on to beliefs and ideas that are factually incorrect.


Regardless, Any Rand is also a known hypocrite. She chastised the government and government programs such as Social Security and Medicare but relied on such services in her old age.

To me, libertarians are the hippies of the right. People who have liberal views on drugs and sex but republican views on everything else.
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Old Feb 7, 2013, 03:29 PM   #34
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Regardless, Any Rand is also a known hypocrite. She chastised the government and government programs such as Social Security and Medicare but relied on such services in her old age.
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To me, libertarians are the hippies of the right. People who have liberal views on drugs and sex but republican views on everything else.
Then you don't understand what libertarianism is
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Old Feb 7, 2013, 03:32 PM   #35
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Then you don't understand what libertarianism is


Ok.

I know what I know and that's fine with me. Perhaps, I don't understand your flavor of libertarianism and that's fine with me as well.
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Old Feb 7, 2013, 03:33 PM   #36
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Ok.

I know what I know and that's fine with me. Perhaps, I don't understand your flavor of libertarianism and that's fine with me as well.
Well I guess it's fine, but you're just going around and saying things that aren't true. Idk why you would want to do that.

It's not a flavor of libertarianism. It's what libertarianism actually is.
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Old Feb 7, 2013, 03:35 PM   #37
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Ok.

I know what I know and that's fine with me. Perhaps, I don't understand your flavor of libertarianism and that's fine with me as well.
You may be simply confusing upper and lower case. Libertarianism =/= libertarianism.
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Well I guess it's fine, but you're just going around and saying things that aren't true. Idk why you would want to do that.

It's not a flavor of libertarianism. It's what libertarianism actually is.
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You may be simply confusing upper and lower case. Libertarianism =/= libertarianism.


This would be like confusing Christianity with christianity. They're practically one in the same.
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Old Feb 7, 2013, 03:39 PM   #39
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This would be like confusing Christianity with christianity. They're practically one in the same.
no they aren't
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no they aren't


Are we going to act like children here?

"yeah huh"
"nah uh"
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This would be like confusing Christianity with christianity. They're practically one in the same.
In several instances, they, too, seem almost entirely unrelated.
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Old Feb 7, 2013, 03:55 PM   #42
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Are we going to act like children here?

"yeah huh"
"nah uh"
I discussed why it was different on the 1st page of this thread, you didn't provide a counter argument, which I showed just now on page 2.
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I discussed why it was different on the 1st page of this thread, you didn't provide a counter argument, which I showed just now on page 2.


Ok.
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The "libertarians" you refer to aren't libertarians.
It sure as hell is the name they're giving themselves these days...
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It sure as hell is the name they're giving themselves these days...
Yeah, and it's unfortunate in my opinion.
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This would be like confusing Christianity with christianity. They're practically one in the same.
It seems that every Religion/religion, including Ayn Rand's, has its its Right-Wing Authoritarian (RWA) element-- highly correlated with, but, not 100% the same as, the Religious Fundamentalism (RF) element. RWA is in contrast to the "prosocial" religiosity element.

In this context, we could easily use "Christianity" to mean the RWA element, and, "christianity" to mean the prosocial element.

Wondering what I am talking about? Read this:

Blogowska, J. and Saroglou, V. (2011), Religious Fundamentalism and Limited Prosociality as a Function of the Target. Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion, 50: 4460. doi: 10.1111/j.1468-5906.2010.01551.x

TL;DR? The good news is that religion is not inherently nasty. The bad news is the RWA is, regardless of what religion it is a part of.

For further reading, the "Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion" has a number of very interesting articles on psychology+religion.
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It sure as hell is the name they're giving themselves these days...
I personally prefer "glibertarians" because it seems like all they do is vomit on my screen.
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