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Old Feb 12, 2013, 01:13 PM   #26
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Only a matter of time before someone rips this off and people here start griping that Apple is "stifling innovation." I don't even see the point of patents anymore.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 01:14 PM   #27
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Apparently it is. The US Patent office is a mess, but they aren't granting patents that would be so obviously similar to something that has been patented previously.
Being published in an ARRL handbook would constitute "prior art", not a prior patent.

However, patents are routinely granted when they are nothing but an improvement on an earlier patent. Incorporating a slot antenna into a computer and/or a cell phone would be considered patentable, separate from a slot antenna patent (or prior art).
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 01:17 PM   #28
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So what happens when you drop your phone and damage the external slots?
That's what I'm wondering. If they're only microns wide, it seems like they'd be terribly prone to distortion from even slight stresses on the case. Maybe they'd have a stiff, nonconductive backing reinforcement?
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 01:18 PM   #29
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Reminds me of this story from a few years back

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Old Feb 12, 2013, 01:22 PM   #30
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I've had one of those antennas in my rear car window for years...
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 01:27 PM   #31
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Current devices may contain antennas for GSM, 3G/LTE, GPS, wifi and Bluetooth, though some of these may be combined. The iPhone 5, for example, uses just two antennas for the five functions, using rapid frequency switching to enable one antenna to do two jobs. Eliminating the need for internal antenna space altogether would, though, allow for slimmer and smaller devices.

Apple's interest in the possibility of implementing microslot antennas dates back to at least 2007 when the patent was filed, meaning that the concept may be requiring significant refinement before arriving in a shipping product or may have been scrapped entirely by this point. Still, it is clear that Apple is continuing to look for ways to handle the increasing complexity of wireless communications while maintaining its design goals for size and aesthetics.

Article Link: Apple Patents Nearly Invisible 'Microslot Antennas' Allowing for Smaller Devices
Some of the original patents for slot antennas date back to 1938. This particular implementation is not very novel, except the slot widths are less than I've used before (I've looked at 0.5mm designs previously). IIRC the efficiency goes down a bit with small slot widths (high Rrad i think). Loads of prior art on this.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 01:29 PM   #32
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Only a matter of time before someone rips this off and people here start griping that Apple is "stifling innovation." I don't even see the point of patents anymore.
Like they ripped off Apple's current antenna design right? Oh wait, nobody did this because it's crappy. Becaus of this "great" design (at least partly) iPhone is the only LTE-enabled phone on Verizon that is uncapable of simultaneous voice and data transfer. The only reason for such design is Apple's preference for form over function. Nobody else does it.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 01:37 PM   #33
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Small antenna, small reception?

Just joking, it will work won't it?
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 01:49 PM   #34
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I'm betting the directionality concerns would prohibit you from placing this in a conductive medium such as aluminum.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 02:22 PM   #36
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So that you do not need your MBA/MBP AND your iPhone!? Tim Cook says: Nooooooooo!

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Maybe 3-5 years from now, I'll not be bringing with me my broadband prepaid usb stick every-time I go out with my Macbook Pro. I mean, I have to insert the usb broadband connection, eject, insert, eject...

Year 2016: Inserting a broadband usb stick to your Mac is a thing of the past. 4G LTE, built-in on every Mac.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 02:30 PM   #37
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Microscopic slots = dust magnet.
Read the AppleInsider article. The slots can be filled in with another material like plastic or epoxy.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 02:50 PM   #38
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This is great news. It proves that Apple took Antennagate seriously & decided to learn to build high quality functional antennas. I wonder how long it will take for them to implement the new design.
You don’t read the content before posting, do you? This patent was filed back in 2007.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 03:02 PM   #39
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That's what I'm wondering. If they're only microns wide, it seems like they'd be terribly prone to distortion from even slight stresses on the case. Maybe they'd have a stiff, nonconductive backing reinforcement?
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Microscopic slots = dust magnet.
They'll be filled with a dielectric material.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 03:03 PM   #40
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 03:27 PM   #41
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Only a matter of time before someone rips this off and people here start griping that Apple is "stifling innovation." I don't even see the point of patents anymore.
Patents ENCOURAGE innovation because they protect companies that spend their own dollars on R & D.

That patent helps companies recover R & D costs. Without that patent other companies would swoop in and steal that idea at zero expense.... which would prohibit the inventor from recouping their R & D costs. If you don't have that patent protection, there is NO incentive for a company to spend billions of dollars trying to invent the next wheel. Their R & D expenses would essentially bring zero profit for them.... and would allow copycat companies a free ride. This would all STIFLE innovation by reducing the amount spent on R & D. Patents actually protect companies that work hard to find something new. Without that protection their R & D is basically a free gift to their competitors.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 04:20 PM   #42
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 04:26 PM   #43
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This looks a bit like the drawing in:
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/08/16/...gsafe-antenna/

...just with a different antenna.

Probably from the same Apple internal lab?
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 06:13 PM   #44
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Microscopic slots = dust magnet.
Just like a mailslot=basketball magnet. most dust is way bigger than a few microns.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 06:20 PM   #45
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Only a matter of time before someone rips this off and people here start griping that Apple is "stifling innovation." I don't even see the point of patents anymore.
Just what I was thinking. When someone copies Apple, Apple loses either way.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 06:27 PM   #46
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Good, I've been wondering when they were going to make the iPhone 5 thinner. That sucker is way too thick for me!

Quit your bitching.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 07:33 PM   #47
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I've never understood why this is such a big problem when the entire front of the device is glass. But those Apple engineers are pretty bright folks, so I suppose it is an issue.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 12:00 AM   #48
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I've never understood why this is such a big problem when the entire front of the device is glass. But those Apple engineers are pretty bright folks, so I suppose it is an issue.
There's a metal plate attached to the back of the screen.
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I'm always simultaneously fascinated & hopeful when I see patents come through like this. Really makes me curious and optimistic as to the continued and infinite possibilities in technology.
Same here; It's reassuring to hear, there's all kinds research going on all the time, even if some of it, for various reasons, never makes it to market.

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....this could also create the possibility of an all-aluminum case.....it is clear that Apple is continuing to look for ways to handle the increasing complexity of wireless communications while maintaining its design goals for size and aesthetics.

Article Link: Apple Patents Nearly Invisible 'Microslot Antennas' Allowing for Smaller Devices
Maybe there's a way to also implement this antenna technology in an all-aluminum Time Capsule, and solve all the pre-mature failure problems with those units (due to built-in power supplies overheating).
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There's a metal plate attached to the back of the screen.
Oh, right. I guess there's that, but what about the rest of the bezel? Although the new screens are all one part glass & all. Probably hard to get an antenna connected to the chips in that case.
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