Apple is letting us jailbreak

bonskovsky · Feb 12, 2013, 05:23 PM

How many times has Apple patched jail breaks? You have to wonder. I mean I'm sure that Apple would know about jailbreaking. Jailbreaking appears to be legitamste and acceptable as covered by the media. So do they support it?

dictoresno · Feb 12, 2013, 05:42 PM

no, they dont.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3743

Brian Y · Feb 12, 2013, 05:44 PM

No - they patch the exploits in the next release.

Baggio · Feb 12, 2013, 07:03 PM

Apple can void your warranty for jailbreaking.

Feed Me · Feb 12, 2013, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Y

No - they patch the exploits in the next release.

Except they don't.
Jailbreaking doesn't hurt Apple that badly. As long as they patch the jailbreak in a timely manner nobody really cares. Going ******* and squeezing out a jailbreak patch isn't what Apple does.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baggio

Apple can void your warranty for jailbreaking.

Yeah yeah, and Apple can buy Google twice over. Apple can do a lot of things. Apple Apple Apple. Apple. Apple.

Every jailbreaker who isn't 12 years old knows that a simple restore is enough to satisfy the geniuses in the local Apple store with regards to the jailbreak question.

skippymac · Feb 12, 2013, 07:27 PM

Perhaps apple quietly support it. It's a good stance for them - having the JB means more customers for them whilst saying it's not allowed les them void warranty, which allows them to avoid a lot of cost for them replacing/repairing devices (even though yes, you can just restore). It's a win win for apple.

bonskovsky · Feb 12, 2013, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feed Me

Except they don't.
Jailbreaking doesn't hurt Apple that badly. As long as they patch the jailbreak in a timely manner nobody really cares. Going ******* and squeezing out a jailbreak patch isn't what Apple does.

Yeah yeah, and Apple can buy Google twice over. Apple can do a lot of things. Apple Apple Apple. Apple. Apple.

Every jailbreaker who isn't 12 years old knows that a simple restore is enough to satisfy the geniuses in the local Apple store with regards to the jailbreak question.

Apple is not fighting back against jailbreaking. And the tech blogs run it as normal stories. It's just an everyday kind of thing.

It's not like it's a secret. Everyone knows about it, even the carriers know about it. Developers too.

It's not really prohibited.

C DM · Feb 12, 2013, 07:38 PM

Apple simply patches up the exploits that open doors for jailbreaking. That's basically it.

wxman2003 · Feb 12, 2013, 08:24 PM

And with each ios release, the amount of time it takes to jb increases. The patches are becoming harder and harder to hack. It's a game between the jailbreaker and Apple. Apple will never be able to stop it, but they can make it more and more difficult to do, that they would love to get to the point where a new ios comes out just as the old ios gets jailbroken.

ugcop · Feb 12, 2013, 08:48 PM

The other thing to look at is the number of jb apps that are now part of the current IOS. It is a way to see what the public really wants their iPhone to do.

Brian Y · Feb 13, 2013, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feed Me

Except they don't.
Jailbreaking doesn't hurt Apple that badly. As long as they patch the jailbreak in a timely manner nobody really cares. Going ******* and squeezing out a jailbreak patch isn't what Apple does.

Yeah yeah, and Apple can buy Google twice over. Apple can do a lot of things. Apple Apple Apple. Apple. Apple.

Every jailbreaker who isn't 12 years old knows that a simple restore is enough to satisfy the geniuses in the local Apple store with regards to the jailbreak question.

So when have they not patched a vulnerability? 6.1.1 is a different story cause it was designed to fix an issue and was probably already out, but other than that, the vulnerabilities used have always been patched in the next iOS release.

Unless it's a bootrom exploit which they can't patch. No user land exploit has lasted more than one version.

ntegra · Feb 13, 2013, 07:29 AM

Apple should be happy. Something tells me jailbreak boosts sales, even if its a very small percentage. I've always wanted an ipad and I'm considering it even more now that a jailbreak is available.

robdam1001 · Feb 13, 2013, 07:36 AM

For me anyway, a jailbroken iPhone enhances an already excellent mobile phone. If I didn't have the ability to jb I would have to take a serious look at an alternative phone and OS.

Menneisyys2 · Feb 13, 2013, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonskovsky

How many times has Apple patched jail breaks?

Every time. Sometimes REALLY quick - remember 4.3.4, which took only two weeks (or so) to be pushed out by Apple after the release of the 4.3.3 userland JB?

thelatinist · Feb 13, 2013, 08:34 AM

Perhaps, if by "letting us jailbreak" you mean "quickly patching all jailbreak exploits while making use of increasingly-complex security measures designed to make it ever more difficult to jailbreak but still failing to create flawless, perfectly-secure software that cannot be jailbroken."

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bonskovsky

Apple is not fighting back against jailbreaking.

Clearly you do not know what you're talking about. What do you think SHSH BLObs were for? APTicket? The blocking of Cydia's servers? The closing of every userland exploit ever discovered? The stripping of the baseband and bootrom to the bare bones to remove targets for attack and exploitation? Memory address randomization? Code signing? Blocking downgrades?

Did you realize that it took no less than five exploitable weaknesses in the iPhone's code to create evasion? We used to have jailbreaks that relied on just one exploit. That's how much Apple is fighting back.

scyap · Feb 13, 2013, 09:53 AM

Actually if they patch & block stuff like AppSync or iAP ***, I'd be happy already...
And they'd have almost nothing to lose right?

apollo1444 · Feb 13, 2013, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feed Me

Except they don't.
Jailbreaking doesn't hurt Apple that badly. As long as they patch the jailbreak in a timely manner nobody really cares. Going ******* and squeezing out a jailbreak patch isn't what Apple does.

Yeah yeah, and Apple can buy Google twice over. Apple can do a lot of things. Apple Apple Apple. Apple. Apple.

Every jailbreaker who isn't 12 years old knows that a simple restore is enough to satisfy the geniuses in the local Apple store with regards to the jailbreak question.

I've seen 8 year olds with hacked ipod touches they jailbreaked themselves

jinkoh · Feb 13, 2013, 11:04 AM

I wish
iPhones are gimped. Without a JB I wouldn't have bought this iPhone 5 about two weeks ago. I finally saw that a JB was coming out and upgraded.

Snide · Feb 13, 2013, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jinkoh

Without a JB I wouldn't have bought this iPhone 5 about two weeks ago. I finally saw that a JB was coming out and upgraded.

Ditto. I was using an iPhone 4 with a smashed screen for 4 months waiting for an iPhone 5 jailbreak. I upgraded the day evasi0n was released.

On another note, last night I exchanged the iPhone 5 due to a small manufacturing defect. Before I brought it in I hid all the obvious JB tweaks and apps. However, I forgot about SBSettings, and the window dropped down while I was explaining what was wrong with it.

Then a minute later I got a text in lock screen mode and the BiteSMS window popped up. Doh!
The two employees helping me said nothing; I'm sure they see Jailbroken iPhones all the time.

itjw · Feb 13, 2013, 12:34 PM

"But Mr. Genius I read on the internets that jailbreaking was cool and that you'd look the other way as long as I restored it... what do you MEAN they changed the policy and now my warranty actually is void???"

It's absolutely true they aren't enforcing the voiding of warranties YET. What makes anyone so sure that if something BAD happens (either malicious or just through piracy) that they won't start???

Think they can't tell you jailbroke just because you restored? Use iCloud? Sync to iTunes? Use the AppStore?

They know, Apple just chooses to not enforce it.

They 100% do NOT support or condone it just because of that lol...

Troneas · Feb 13, 2013, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonskovsky

How many times has Apple patched jail breaks? You have to wonder. I mean I'm sure that Apple would know about jailbreaking. Jailbreaking appears to be legitamste and acceptable as covered by the media. So do they support it?

Yes. The jailbreak team are actually apple employees who do this in their spare time.

Those who participated were given company stock and a trip to fiji as a reward; with the understanding they keep their jailbroken iphone turned on at all times might tim cook brick his phone and need directions to dfu.

Nanook · Feb 14, 2013, 12:07 AM

Good, because I would never have kept my iPhone if it was stock.

dinggus · Feb 14, 2013, 01:13 AM

And AT&T is allow us to tether for free.

drenline · Feb 14, 2013, 01:58 AM

I could only sell my past iPhones/iPads only if it was jailbroken. (I've had every model of both devices)

Thank you, jailbreaks!!

noiceT · Feb 14, 2013, 03:36 AM

Apple actually likes JB.

1. Helps them find exploits for free.
2. Helps them develop UI improvements/functionality for free.

Feb 12, 2013, 05:23 PM	#1
bonskovsky Banned Join Date: Dec 2012	Apple is letting us jailbreak How many times has Apple patched jail breaks? You have to wonder. I mean I'm sure that Apple would know about jailbreaking. Jailbreaking appears to be legitamste and acceptable as covered by the media. So do they support it?
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Feb 12, 2013, 05:42 PM	#2
dictoresno macrumors 6502a Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: NJ	no, they dont. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3743 __________________ Verizon iPhone 5 32GB Black iPad Mini 16GB Black iPod Touch 4th Generation 64GB
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Feb 12, 2013, 07:27 PM	#6
skippymac macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Hampshire, UK	Perhaps apple quietly support it. It's a good stance for them - having the JB means more customers for them whilst saying it's not allowed les them void warranty, which allows them to avoid a lot of cost for them replacing/repairing devices (even though yes, you can just restore). It's a win win for apple. __________________ 13" 2.4GHz 2010 MBP, 8GB RAM, 1TB HDD/128GB SSD, OS X 10.8.2 32GB Black & Slate iPhone 5, evasi0n'd \| 32GB Nexus 7 3G, cyanogenmod'd
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Feb 12, 2013, 08:24 PM	#9
wxman2003 macrumors 6502a Join Date: Apr 2011	And with each ios release, the amount of time it takes to jb increases. The patches are becoming harder and harder to hack. It's a game between the jailbreaker and Apple. Apple will never be able to stop it, but they can make it more and more difficult to do, that they would love to get to the point where a new ios comes out just as the old ios gets jailbroken. __________________ iMac I5, Macbook, iPad 4, iPhone 5, iPod, ATV 3
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Feb 12, 2013, 05:44 PM	#3
Brian Y macrumors 65816 Join Date: Oct 2012	No - they patch the exploits in the next release.
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Feb 12, 2013, 07:03 PM	#4
Baggio macrumors 6502 Join Date: Oct 2012	Apple can void your warranty for jailbreaking.
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Feb 12, 2013, 07:38 PM	#8
C DM macrumors 6502a Join Date: Oct 2011	Apple simply patches up the exploits that open doors for jailbreaking. That's basically it.
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Feb 12, 2013, 08:48 PM	#10
ugcop macrumors member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Traveling @ Warp Speed	The other thing to look at is the number of jb apps that are now part of the current IOS. It is a way to see what the public really wants their iPhone to do.
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Feb 13, 2013, 07:29 AM	#12
ntegra macrumors member Join Date: Oct 2010	Apple should be happy. Something tells me jailbreak boosts sales, even if its a very small percentage. I've always wanted an ipad and I'm considering it even more now that a jailbreak is available.
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Feb 13, 2013, 07:36 AM	#13
robdam1001 macrumors 6502a Join Date: Sep 2008	For me anyway, a jailbroken iPhone enhances an already excellent mobile phone. If I didn't have the ability to jb I would have to take a serious look at an alternative phone and OS.
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Feb 13, 2013, 09:53 AM	#16
scyap macrumors member Join Date: Dec 2010	Actually if they patch & block stuff like AppSync or iAP ***, I'd be happy already... And they'd have almost nothing to lose right?
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Feb 13, 2013, 11:04 AM	#18
jinkoh macrumors newbie Join Date: Nov 2012	I wish iPhones are gimped. Without a JB I wouldn't have bought this iPhone 5 about two weeks ago. I finally saw that a JB was coming out and upgraded.
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Feb 13, 2013, 12:34 PM	#20
itjw macrumors 6502 Join Date: Dec 2011	"But Mr. Genius I read on the internets that jailbreaking was cool and that you'd look the other way as long as I restored it... what do you MEAN they changed the policy and now my warranty actually is void???" It's absolutely true they aren't enforcing the voiding of warranties YET. What makes anyone so sure that if something BAD happens (either malicious or just through piracy) that they won't start??? Think they can't tell you jailbroke just because you restored? Use iCloud? Sync to iTunes? Use the AppStore? They know, Apple just chooses to not enforce it. They 100% do NOT support or condone it just because of that lol...
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Feb 14, 2013, 12:07 AM	#22
Nanook macrumors regular Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: LA, CA	Good, because I would never have kept my iPhone if it was stock.
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Feb 14, 2013, 01:13 AM	#23
dinggus Banned Join Date: Jan 2012	And AT&T is allow us to tether for free.
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Feb 14, 2013, 01:58 AM	#24
drenline macrumors 6502a Join Date: Aug 2010	I could only sell my past iPhones/iPads only if it was jailbroken. (I've had every model of both devices) Thank you, jailbreaks!!
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Feb 14, 2013, 03:36 AM	#25
noiceT macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Catalina Wine Mixer	Apple actually likes JB. 1. Helps them find exploits for free. 2. Helps them develop UI improvements/functionality for free.
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