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Old Feb 12, 2013, 07:26 PM   #101
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They found the perfect size. When you watch a movie in wide screen on the Galaxy S3 it just puts bars on it shrinking it to iPhone 5 size anyway.
That makes no sense. Both the S3 and iPhone 5 have 16:9 screens. Any movie that is also 16:9 will fill up the screen on either device, and any movie that is not will be letterboxed or pillar-boxed in the exact same way on both devices.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 07:26 PM   #102
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For such a "secret" company, they're sure consistent in their predictability. The basic message was the same, only the words were changed.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and remember, the "aha" days are few and very far between. The best that one can look for out of Apple this late in the game (yes late) is another "S" model with hyped up, yet rather milk toast features.

Now if they were to have the courage to get out of their comfort zone and "show us" some innovation, they might have a chance to "Wow" the user base.

It's not looking very exciting at this point. I'd sure like to be wrong
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 07:27 PM   #103
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Ok so can some one explain why The GUY WHO CHOSE ANDROID FROM THE START IS ON AN APPLE FORUM COMMENTING ON THE APPLE PRODUCTS??
Because Apple makes more products than just iToyz? I've been using macs since my powerbook g3, and I love my current MBP.

My 4s is my second iPhone and every time I turn it on I have "damn, why didn't I switch to Android" moment. I'm just waiting until the galaxy s4 comes out so I can escape this iOS garbage. But, I'm on this forum and I'd make the choice to buy another MBP in a heartbeat.

Even recently iOS 6.1 broke the 4s, but you can't "upgrade" back to 6.0 or 5.x to fix it? Everything about iOS is a joke, the control freak nature of Apple is killing it even for the most die hard. And no, I didn't get nailed by the bug. Ever since the iTunes release that helpfully reformatted your hard drive about 8 years ago, I wait for the suckers to betatest for me.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 07:27 PM   #104
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Well ok then - when are they going to improve the experience? iOS is old and tired - where's the new thing?
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 07:27 PM   #105
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I don't think I've ever said "A-ha" to all the keynotes I've seen... other than the release of Siri, maybe.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 07:28 PM   #106
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Not to go too far off topic here, but this thread just makes me sad at what's become of this site. When I joined 10 (!!!) years ago, it felt very much like a community of apple enthusiasts and rumor seekers. Ever since the first iphone released, it has been on a steady downhill slide toward the whine-fest/troll-a-palooza of which this thread is such a perfect example. It's sad, really.
Unfortunately it's fashionable to be an Apple hater these days. MR is doing whatever will get them the most clicks on their site.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 07:29 PM   #107
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Widgets make sense for stuff one needs very, very often, ie, for stuff where not having to do several clicks to access it actually matters.

I use a rain radar, a weather widget, a stock ticker and a sticky with my backup log in Dashboard. I can have a quick glance on the rain radar and be back where I was previously within less than a second. Compare that with a bookmarklet in a browser: (1) switch to browser, (2) open new tab or window, (3) click on the bookmarklet, (4) close tab or window again, (5) switch back to application I was using before. With Dashboard that is two quick presses of F4.
You can just keep the browser window open, in a different Space if you want to. I guess that's not as "clean" as a widget, but IMO it's easier. I can see widgets being useful on the desktop, but they're only (officially) on Dashboard. It's a matter of personal preference, but it seems like all the people I know in real life don't like Dashboard.

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I don't think I've ever said "A-ha" to all the keynotes I've seen... other than the release of Siri, maybe.
Siri of all things? Not AirPlay? I think AirPlay is classic Apple elegance. It's so perfect on an AirPort Express or Apple TV.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 07:30 PM   #108
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No, users like you want a larger screen, for what compensatory purpose I neither know nor care. Users like me want a reliable smartphone phone that fits in our pocket without being the size of a slab.
A smartphone is no longer just a phone. I see it as a pocket computer that does everything on the go, and that requires a larger screen.

For my usage, the actual phone time is absolutely minimal compared to the rest of the time using the myriad of apps -- e.g. maps, Kindle reading, typing emails, reading websites, hundreds of thousands of apps, games etc. etc.

For a phone -- no need large screen

For mini pocket computer -- need large screen.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 07:30 PM   #109
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Lets be honest.

The iOS was a ground breaking operating system 5 years ago when it was released. But now it is stale and old, this is what makes jailbreaking popular, because we can do stuff with our iDevices that Apple feels we shouldn't be allowed to do, or have as many icons as we want. Users are told "You will like it how it is." And of course we do because it works with all our environments.

It's time for a change. The Company who made the Smart Phone mainstream is about to get left behind. Hell, even Microsoft changes it up every couple versions. iOS is tired, and woefully out of date.

But instead, Apple, is focusing on trying to make Mac OS X more like iOS, and reducing functionality for power users.

It will be interesting because the next 2-5 years will tell us all where Apple is going into the future.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 07:31 PM   #110
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So he basically said nothing at all, or at least nothing that hasn't been repeated ad nauseam for years.

The "we focus on the experience not the specs" mantra is also hypocritical. Apple is more than happy to tout its specs when they are the best and frequently does so in keynotes and in its online store. They talked up having the highest resolution screen in a laptop or the fastest graphics processor in a phone or tablet. Its online store is full of such references to specs. Apple advertises its iPad as "Twice the performance, faster Wifi" and the MacBook Pro as "Over 4 million pixels, under 1.7 kg".

By simply attending this event it says something about Apple and Tim's focus. He's a financial guy, plain and simple. Financial people bore the hell out of me and don't get me started on the financial industry! He could have attended a design event or spoke to design students at a university but no...
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 07:34 PM   #111
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While I would like a bit larger (4.8" or maybe 5") screen there is such a thing as to big. I have been messing around with the Note 2 for about a month now and many things I like, but the size is rather crazy to try and use with one hand for many tasks. As an tablet it works amazingly well and having a cell phone built in is a bonus. I have large hands so the iPhone 5 as with the 4S and 4 have felt small for a while but 5.55" imo is pushing it over the edge. There is a sweet spot I'm sure for each person based on their likes and size of someone's hand, but pushing beyond the 5.5 or 6" mark is going to be nuts if that is where this market is headed.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 07:37 PM   #112
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Unfortunately it's fashionable to be an Apple hater these days. MR is doing whatever will get them the most clicks on their site.
Oh, I know. I don't blame MR - Arn and Co. gotta keep the lights on. I just think it's too bad that so many people get their laughs coming on here to stir the pot because I used to really enjoy the discussions.

And by the way, the fact that you own apple products doesn't mean you're not trolling. Trolling means posting to start arguments or anger other community members. A person who owns 10 apple products is just as capable of doing that as one who owns zero.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 07:39 PM   #113
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Personally I prefer the size of my iPhone 4 to the 5, and don't want a bigger phone, but I think Apple should make an iPhone bigger than the 5 for people who want it, whilst bringing out a newer small model at the same time. They have current models in two sizes for most products, it must work ok for them for those, so maybe it's time to make two distinct sized lines instead of just making last year's model the other, cheaper one... (though they could still do that too).

More generally, I'm still not sure how much the big phone thing is driven by genuine need and demand and how much was created because Google just wanted a bigger amount of space to advertise in. A bit of both I suspect.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 07:42 PM   #114
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IMO a larger iPhone has been confirmed when Tim Cook did not deny out right that they are not going to do a bigger phone. Plus, they made iPad Mini, so an iPhone Pro will definitely fit right in. Just like tablets, laptops, iPods, etc... 1 size does NOT fit all. Meanwhile, I also think he confirmed a "budget" iPhone when he referenced how the iPod used to be $400 and now they have a $50 iPod.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 07:48 PM   #115
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Two directions: Android and iOS.

One is about choice and power. One is about marketing and hype.

iOS gives you the former: far greater choice of apps, far greater choice of quality apps. You can do more with iOS, and no amount of imaginary "choice" is going to let you do those things with Android.

Whereas Android is driven by marketing: using buzzwords like "open source," and carefully-cherry-picked spec numbers, and big screens that look nice on a store shelf (which is all that matters for getting your money). Just like the TV with the brightest colors sells best of the shelf--not the one with the most accurate color.

Android marketing forgets (intentionally) that what matters is what a device can DO, and how well and how easily it can do it. Specs mean nothing except what they let you do. And apps, not specs, are how you do everything.

Please make us a list of Android-only killer apps--not little utilities, but real serious apps, like ArtRage, GarageBand, Procreate, Inkpad, Pages, Numbers, iMovie, Keynote, Textastic, iDraw, iTunes U, OmniGraffle, iPhoto, Bento, Omni Outliner, ArtStudio, NanoStudio, Diet Coda, Intaglio, Freeform, TouchUp, iTeleport, ReBirth. Where are apps like these for Android? Not, “well, here’s SOME kind of app for this,” but a truly top-level (and tablet-optimized) experience with that level of productivity? I can think of only two candidates: Photoshop Touch and possibly Sketchbook (which is reportedly maddeningly slow on Android). A few others surely exist too, but can they equal the scope and selection I’ve listed—which in fact only scratches the surface on iOS? And those two ARE on iOS. Where are the great Android-only apps? Just some little utilities, as near as I can tell, and iOS has tons of exclusives in that category too.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 07:48 PM   #116
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for photographers, screen size is key. We want to be able to show images in as big of a size as possible. Apple needs to catch up with the market.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 07:56 PM   #117
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Two directions: Android and iOS.

One is about choice and power. One is about marketing and hype.

iOS gives you the former: far greater choice of apps, far greater choice of quality apps. You can do more with iOS, and no amount of imaginary "choice" is going to let you do those things with Android.

Whereas Android is driven by marketing: using buzzwords like "open source," and carefully-cherry-picked spec numbers, and big screens that look nice on a store shelf (which is all that matters for getting your money). Just like the TV with the brightest colors sells best of the shelf--not the one with the most accurate color.

Android marketing forgets (intentionally) that what matters is what a device can DO, and how well and how easily it can do it. Specs mean nothing except what they let you do. And apps, not specs, are how you do everything.
Yes. iOS has better Apps. But iOS limits functionality of Apps. How long did it take to get Turn by Turn Directions native in our Mapping Program? You are limited into what some great overlord thinks you need to do with your iOS Notification Center, how apps interact together, and with the OS it's self. The ability to customize in iOS is severely limited, even though there are power users who want to do more, Thats why Jail Breaking is so popular, because we get the best of the functionality, and the best of the iOS Apps on our devices.

If apple would just give the consumer a bit more control of their devices that run on iOS like they do for Mac OS X at the Desktop/Laptop level, it wouldn't be such a big deal. I don't want a bigger phone, but I want to use my phone like I want it, with the level of customization that Android gives. I am sure there are many more like me, than there are who sit and leave their iPhones stock. For me it is a productivity tool, it is my phone, my mobile browser, my device i go to when i can't or don't want to use my iPad or Macbook or iMac..
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 07:57 PM   #118
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for photographers, screen size is key. We want to be able to show images in as big of a size as possible. Apple needs to catch up with the market.
Apple already LEADS the market. The 4" iPhone outsells any 5" phone. And photographers who don't own tablets are not the niche driving the future. If "big as possible" is the goal, and they don't want a big tablet, then an iPad Mini is their best bet.

I certainly wouldn't object to Apple meeting the needs of those who want a ~5" phone, and I'm sure they're working on one even if they never bring it to market (they probably haven't even decided that yet). But I do think the "need" for one is an exaggeration.
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Two directions: Android and iOS.

One is about choice and power. One is about marketing and hype.

iOS gives you the former: far greater choice of apps, far greater choice of quality apps. You can do more with iOS, and no amount of imaginary "choice" is going to let you do those things with Android.

Whereas Android is driven by marketing: using buzzwords like "open source," and carefully-cherry-picked spec numbers, and big screens that look nice on a store shelf (which is all that matters for getting your money).
Android doesn't market open source, although it is the future. The best way to innovate and improve the mobile environment is through open collaboration, which is what Google has provided. iOS has no advantage in # of quality apps. Android has the more useful apps, such as SwiftKey and Tasker. iOS has absolutely nothing as advanced as Tasker.
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Yes. iOS has better Apps. But iOS limits functionality of Apps. How long did it take to get Turn by Turn Directions native in our Mapping Program? You are limited into what some great overlord thinks you need to do with your iOS NC.
I didn't wait a single day. For $15 I installed Navigon MyRegion (superior in that it navigates you even with no cell connection and no pre-planning needed).

How long will you wait before Android's native maps app will actually use your contact's addresses as auto-completes when searching? Apple's maps have always done that.

Yes, you can find a specific detail where Android is ahead. And one where iOS is ahead. Those are the little things.

And if you think Google is not being an overlord controlling Android at all, then yes, Android is about marketing--successful marketing

The marketing: "Apple limits what you can do."

The reality: you can do TONS more with Apple than with Android.

As for customizing the OS itself--yes, Android is the winner there. At customizing the screen you see when you're NOT using an app. I think the importance of that is WAY below the importance of actual apps.

EDIT: The reason for this (and the reason a certain niche really should choose Android) is that Android tries to be more like a legacy computer. iOS aims to be different and BETTER than a legacy computer. Simplicity is part of that. It's why you don't have to manually processes on iOS, and why a new iOS device perfectly clones every setting and detail of the old one you replaced, and why we don't have malware on iOS. Apple's path truly DOES have a downside--but you can't have the upside without it, and it's a big upside. Make iOS more like OS X or Android and you'd gain a little... but lose a lot. Change is hard after decades of traditional computer habits, but I for one do NOT want iOS to get more Mac-like. Its flexibility has grown, and I'm happy to see that continue--but never at the expense of usability. Because power is both what you can do AND how easily. And the things Apple "won't allow" on iOS are a very small list. Porn? It's in the browser. Piracy? True--you must jailbreak for that. And then various system customizations... that are great, but don't matter so much once you're using your device for a task (running an app).

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Android has the more useful apps, such as SwiftKey and Tasker. iOS has absolutely nothing as advanced as Tasker.
I've given you a BIG list of full-scale apps, outstanding and complex and powerful productivity tools that are iOS-only. And I specifically said I'm not talking about little utilities. You can't give me as large and as high-quality a list of Android-only apps. Real apps, not little system utilities.

Instead you've come back and named two little utilities, as though that somehow equals or bests the big list I posted. I think my point is proven Yes, those are neat little system customizations. That's great, and you're NOT wrong to like them, but it's all they are. They don't answer my question.

Your emotions make you WANT Android to be better than it is, and I can understand that. You want the awesome iOS-only apps to not matter. Yet they do, all the same. Android is the best choice for some people anyway (those who care more about system utilities than actual productivity apps), just not for as many as want to believe it.

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I have had an iPhone for 4 years. Just switched to a gs3 and it was the worst decision. iPhones may be simplistic but everything just works. You dont have to install multiple apps to get one thing done, all accessories work with it, and the battery life is no where comparable! My gs3 dies by 6pm when i unplug it at 8am. My iP4 lasted me to at least midnight. You cannot group message on a gs3...ridiculous for it being the "smartest" smartphone. Im very disappointed, for the amount of hype that the gs3 received it should be amazing at everything.
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It does on the retina MBPs. You can select from a number of different resolutions.
All that does is double the chosen resolution and then size it back down to the native resolution. Is not true dpi scaling.
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Confirmation that Apple is releasing a 5s and that I'm staying with Android. Getting Apple to release a larger phone is like pulling teeth.
The only thing this confirms is that you jump to conclusions. He said at least twice that he wasn't confirming or denying a larger iPhone.
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So in other words, the next iPhone will have a bigger screen, but it will be smaller than the smallest Galaxy, which again puts Apple behind AGAIN on launch day.
iPhone (whatever #) needs to have NFC and at least a 5" screen to be relevant. Then with iOS 7 needs to come widgets and a new LOOK.
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At this morning's Goldman Sachs Technology and Internet Conference, Apple CEO Tim Cook spoke about a number of topics including vaguely addressing rumors of a possible future iPhone with a larger screen.

Left to right: iPhone 5, Galaxy S III, "iPhone Plus", Galaxy Note II, courtesy Marco Arment
Cook focused his comments on the user experience, saying that was more important than specifications. Answering a question about larger screen sizes, Cook had this to say (transcript from Macworld):
Cook went on to talk about smartphone displays, saying that "some people are focused on size." He explained that some things are more important than simply size, citing the poor color saturation and brightness on OLED displays.
Going back to language that he has used before, Cook said that Apple will "never ... make a crappy product." He said that for new products, Apple must design "something great, something bold, something ambitious."

One thing he didn't mention was Apple's frequent assertion that the iPhone's screen is the perfect size for "your thumb" -- the ability to hold and use the phone in one hand -- a fact that was mentioned in one of the first television ads for the iPhone 5.

Article Link: Tim Cook: For iPhones, The Experience Is Key, Not Just a Larger Screen


IOS better be huuuuuuuuuuuge I'd say!
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