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Old Feb 13, 2013, 09:52 AM   #26
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So history does repeat itself.
Impossible. Jobs couldn't have been wrong twice.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 09:53 AM   #27
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iOS is lossing market share because iOS 6 is boring. Thank God for jailbreaking!
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 09:53 AM   #28
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iOS is stale. Update it and your market share will improve.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 09:53 AM   #29
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I don't have a source (I saw a quick slide in the elevator) which also mentioned the mobile market (in total) was down 2-3% over 2011. At least that's what I glimpsed.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 09:54 AM   #30
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Not surprised. I spoke to many people who have iPhone 4 or 4s and did not jump to upgrade to 5, even though they are eligible for it. For many of them it seems that their existing iPhone is still a great device, and the 5 did not have them jumping up and down and running to upgrade (the way the 4 made had them when they moved from a 3G or 3Gs). So no dice.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 09:55 AM   #31
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Does this include dumb phones?
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 09:56 AM   #32
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It will never happen but if Apple let other manufacturers install iOS on their phones and sell all different models and sizes of phones, Android will probably die that day.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 09:57 AM   #33
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I don't get these type of conversations. It's like talking about how much market share Ferrari has -- it doesn't make sense.

Apple is like Ferrari.
Apple is NOT like Ferrari. Only people who have excess money can buy a Ferrari, where anyone can buy an iPhone. I see people who can't afford to pay their rent buying iPhones, usually the iPhone 4 for 99 cents.

A Ferrari does MORE in every way than a lesser car can do, mostly go faster. You can not say a iPhone does more than a higher end Android.

What I don't get is why people get bent out of shape if Apple isn't the only dominate producer of phones. Why can't there be a few top phones of different shapes and sizes that are great with a few pluses and minuses? The iPhone is great no doubt, but so are a few other premium Android phones.

It would seem people would want to have the iPhone and a few other premium Android phones pushing the edge of tech. In the end it's good for the consumer no matter your preference of OS.

Competition is good for the consumer and that is what you should be cheering for.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 09:57 AM   #34
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The market share is falling not because people are switching from iOS to Android, or choosing Android over iOS for their first phone, it's because people are upgrading their feature phones, walking into their service providers store, and getting what they think is the most bang for the buck which equals a LARGE phone for cheap (they don't care about what OS is on it, or if their money is going to America or Korea).

Then they take it home and all they do is talk and text on it.
Which is why the thing that counts is the market share in _total_ phone sales. And there, Apple's market share is growing.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 09:59 AM   #35
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Which is why the thing that counts is the market share in _total_ phone sales. And there, Apple's market share is growing.
And evidently Android sales are growing even more.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 10:00 AM   #36
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Actually, sales are growing massively. Phone market share is growing. The change is that a huge number of people who bought cheap phones and always bought cheap phones suddenly ended up owning a smartphone.


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And evidently Android sales are growing even more.
If people switched from a $100 feature phone to a $100 Android phone, how does that matter to Apple? How does it matter for example to software developers, if you have huge number of Androids owned by people who are using their phone for phone calls and nothing else, and who never in a million years will be buying a single app?

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Old Feb 13, 2013, 10:01 AM   #37
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Apple take notes... People might want a 'great experience', but they also want a great iOS to go along with that experience.
Android OS is stepping over you and Windows OS has some great ideas. iOS has gotten stale... why must I double tap the home button to switch apps? Why do I have to go all the way through Settings to turn on/off BT / Wifi / Airplane mode? Where are widgets?

iOS is clunky and needs a revamp.
Highlighted above is the reason I find myself carrying both an iPhone 5 and now a Samsung Note 2 which I use as a hotspot but find myself doing most of my email, browsing on as the pull down options to change brightness, wifi, BT setting is so much quicker than digging thru the iOS menu system. Apple already copied the notifications from Android just flush it out with setting already.

I have years and $$ invested in the Apple eco system and still love the platform for it's stability and consistency but iOS needs to breakout and evolve as an OS for smartphones. Android 4.1 on the Note 2 anyhow has become very fluid and it's hard to point out faults with the OS or the hardware Samsung is putting out.

Personally I'm torn between the 5.55" size and the 4" on the iPhone 5 while equally torn between the OS features each brings to the table. The deciding line is defiantly getting blurry. I am not a die hard fan of any company, but I am a early adopter of great technology and enjoy all kinds of gadgets. Apple is still doing what it does best, but Samsung has brought some technology to smart phones that once you use it, it's tough to dismiss.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 10:06 AM   #38
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20% is still 1/5th.

That's a lot!
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 10:10 AM   #39
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I've seen no indication that Apple is planning to make significant changes to iOS in the near future. I'm afraid they may take the road that several companies have taken after being dominant for awhile--which is that they become enclosed in a bubble and become afraid to change anything. I hope that I'm wrong but if iOS7 adds some useless features without changing or adding to the static grid of icons and blank lockscreen then we'll all know what's in store for Apple.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 10:12 AM   #40
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Don't think it really matters if iOS market share falls - it is to be expected as there are more and more non iOS smartphones entering the market.

What is important is that the iOS marketshare stays at a level that keeps developer interest. Fall too low and developers will move on.
Agreed. And we know that the marketshare is plenty large enough to continue being developer's main focus because the Apps run across iPod Touch and iPads, and also Developers sell to the still being used and the updated to latest OS iOS devices like the 3Gs and the iPad 1. The total market of still functional and being used iOS devices is enormous. It seems unlikely that that is going to change anytime soon.

And note that though market share dropped a bit, total sales grew dramatically.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 10:13 AM   #41
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I don't get these type of conversations. It's like talking about how much market share Ferrari has -- it doesn't make sense.

Apple is like Ferrari.
A 200 dollar phone made in china is nothing like a Ferrari.

iOS is more like a scooter engine in a Toyota.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 10:13 AM   #42
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I don't get these type of conversations. It's like talking about how much market share Ferrari has -- it doesn't make sense.

Apple is like Ferrari.
No it's not, ferrari will not goto a corner and die if its market share drops to 0.1%. The whole basis for smartphone including iphone is their ecosystem, which is 100% dependent on market share.

When you start losing users, companies scale back making apps for the ecosystem, then users see the competitor has more apps and jump ship, rinse & repeat. It's a vicious cycle that once started, will be very difficult to stop. Just look at how much trouble microsoft/nokia has trying to break in, even though phone7 core os isnt bad at all.

iOS is obviously nowhere close to this yet, but it's ludicrous to say iOS/iphone are not impacted by market share. Market share is EVERYTHING to a smartphone/mobile ecosystem. Every single app maker that makes up your os is looking at this report and using it to figure out where to release their next app first.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 10:13 AM   #43
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Apple take notes... People might want a 'great experience', but they also want a great iOS to go along with that experience.
Android OS is stepping over you and Windows OS has some great ideas. iOS has gotten stale... why must I double tap the home button to switch apps? Why do I have to go all the way through Settings to turn on/off BT / Wifi / Airplane mode? Where are widgets?

iOS is clunky and needs a revamp.
I still don't see how android is stepping over IOS? These numbers are based on Apples one phone (iPhone) and all the cheaper phones that android is on.

Most people getting the cheaper phones is not choosing between IOS and android, they are just getting the cheaper phones. If Apple made NEW cheaper phones, then they would have a choice.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 10:15 AM   #44
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I hate these stupid market share stories. How do you get accurate marketshare when so few companies report sales/shipments on a quarterly basis?

I think it could get interesting if Samsung decides to its own thing and ditch Android.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 10:20 AM   #45
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Which is why the thing that counts is the market share in _total_ phone sales. And there, Apple's market share is growing.
> Comparing *total* iPhone sales to total Android sales:
Comparing iPhone sales to sales of higher-end Android phones that actually compete with iPhone would be relevant. I'll bet the gap in sales would be a lot smaller.

There are lots of cheap Android phones being sold. Heck, you can still buy cheap phones with Android OS 2.3. These phone sales have no bearing on iPhone sales - they are being sold on price and are not a sale taken away from Apple.

There will always be a lot of buyers who buy based on price. Get used to it, people. Gnasher is right. It doesn't mean Apple is failing.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 10:23 AM   #46
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> Comparing *total* iPhone sales to total Android sales:
Comparing iPhone sales to sales of higher-end Android phones that actually compete with iPhone would be relevant. I'll bet the gap in sales would be a lot smaller.

There are lots of cheap Android phones being sold. Heck, you can still buy cheap phones with Android OS 2.3. These phone sales have no bearing on iPhone sales - they are being sold on price and are not a sale taken away from Apple.

There will always be a lot of buyers who buy based on price. Get used to it, people. Gnasher is right. It doesn't mean Apple is failing.
Why? You can buy an iPhone for .99. And it means just what it means, Apple's market share decreased regardless of how many phones they sold.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 10:24 AM   #47
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I still don't see how android is stepping over IOS? These numbers are based on Apples one phone (iPhone) and all the cheaper phones that android is on.

Most people getting the cheaper phones is not choosing between IOS and android, they are just getting the cheaper phones. If Apple made NEW cheaper phones, then they would have a choice.
again false.

apple has cheaper phones at every price level starting at free just like android. All running the same ios.

Android and samsung is innovating at full speed and killing apple in those commercials. The only big thing came out of the iphone was a slighter bigger screen last year, their other big feature the map was a disaster and had a negative impact.

Just look at those commercials, when iphone first came it was a showstopper, now the best they can do is touting a "do not disturb" button and how the caller can hear your voice...during a phone call.

It's laughable.

Meanwhile samsung is killing it with their commercials touting nfs transfers, stylus doing all sorts of cool stuff, etc...

Apple stopped innovating on their iphone, or rather tried and failed. That's fact.

Many people including myself like iphone because it's simple and works out of box, but that will only carry you so far until a tipping point is reached where the features and innovations on the competitor is just too much to resist.
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Which is why the thing that counts is the market share in _total_ phone sales. And there, Apple's market share is growing.
Apple sales are growing but Apple's market share is shrinking. That's the main point of this article. And if iOS market share continues dropping very soon the sales will start dropping too because iOS will be perceived as a niche OS by developers.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 10:27 AM   #49
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But this is MacRumors and numbers are only important if they favor Apple.
How did this report get published here then?
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There are a lot of Android phones and Tablet being sold for pennies, practically giveaways. And there are lots of people who that's all they can afford.
Maybe this is the reason why.
Remember: quantity doesn't make up for quality.
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