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Old Feb 13, 2013, 11:27 AM   #76
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So much for the "choice" argument from the Android Brigade: they're all buying Samsungs.
You have to check your maths
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 11:27 AM   #77
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.... just from renenue alone its iTune store makes more money then most phone manufactures....
McDonald's fast food makes more money than iTune store.

You are comparing apple to orange, iTune and cell phone are different business sector.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 11:28 AM   #78
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iPhone may be free, but AT&T is what scares people away.
Then why most people who buy iPhones in USA do it on AT&T?
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 11:28 AM   #79
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Anyone who has a "brand appreciation" for Samsung needs to have their heads examined... There is nothing about Samsung's "brand" that can be appreciated other than they are good at copying what others invent.
I like that my Samsung smartphone matches my microwave, my refrigerator, and my washer/dryer.

Google takes American software ingenuity, gives it away for free to the Koreans, who use it to dominate the hardware market, pumping bajillions into the Korean economy at the expense of the Americans.

Thanks Google. Well played.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 11:34 AM   #80
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I like that my Samsung smartphone matches my microwave, my refrigerator, and my washer/dryer.

Google takes American software ingenuity, gives it away for free to the Koreans, who use it to dominate the hardware market, pumping bajillions into the Korean economy at the expense of the Americans.

Thanks Google. Well played.
I like your perseverance in posting this text again, again and again trying to make some point
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 11:42 AM   #81
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I like that my Samsung smartphone matches my microwave, my refrigerator, and my washer/dryer.

Google takes American software ingenuity, gives it away for free to the Koreans, who use it to dominate the hardware market, pumping bajillions into the Korean economy at the expense of the Americans.

Thanks Google. Well played.
Gives it away for free to the Koreans??

Android is linux-based, open source. I don't think that only American worked on Linux development.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android...ting_system%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 11:49 AM   #82
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iPhone 4 is free on contract in various places.
So is the iPhone 5.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 11:57 AM   #83
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I really don't think Apple is unaware of Androids competition. Even Tim Cook acknowledged there are some areas where Apple needs to improve. Overall I am not worried. This company has 100 billion dollars in the bank. I doubt they are not investing in R&D heavily. I believe the reason Tim Cook booted Scott Forestall was because he was not moving IOS in the right direction. Jonathan Ive a good direction.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 11:58 AM   #84
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I like that my Samsung smartphone matches my microwave, my refrigerator, and my washer/dryer.
That phone really ties the room together
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 12:00 PM   #85
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Okay okay, I take back my Ferrari comment.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 12:03 PM   #86
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The market share is falling not because people are switching from iOS to Android, or choosing Android over iOS for their first phone, it's because people are upgrading their feature phones, walking into their service providers store, and getting what they think is the most bang for the buck which equals a LARGE phone for cheap (they don't care about what OS is on it, or if their money is going to America or Korea).
You are so uninformed. Larger Samsung smart phones are not cheap. Btw, a part of your Apple device money goes also to asia, or do you think the asian companies which work for Apple do not earn the money!?
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 12:03 PM   #87
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McDonald's fast food makes more money than iTune store.

You are comparing apple to orange, iTune and cell phone are different business sector.
I still see it as apple-apple or orange-orange. You still have to use all the iOS devices which is tied through the iTunes/iTunes store.

Without the Apps, music, video, books and content, very little incentive to get an iPhone.

The iTunes store does not make food.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 12:09 PM   #88
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I don't get these type of conversations. It's like talking about how much market share Ferrari has -- it doesn't make sense.

Apple is like Ferrari.
Oh no. Now that Apple's falling a little behind on market share, we're gonna have to start putting up with all the "Apple is expensive car X and competitors are cheap car Y" arguments again.

This is as opposed to 2 years ago when Apple was de facto smartphone market leader, and everyone was going around saying "the consumers have spoken with their wallets! They don't want crap like Android"!

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Okay okay, I take back my Ferrari comment.
Oh. Didn't read this til just now. Alright. You're forgiven.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 12:11 PM   #89
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I don't get these type of conversations. It's like talking about how much market share Ferrari has -- it doesn't make sense.

Apple is like Ferrari.
Ferrari is owned by Fiat.

So, who do you think is going to buy Apple?
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 12:14 PM   #90
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I still see it as apple-apple or orange-orange. You still have to use all the iOS devices which is tied through the iTunes/iTunes store.

Without the Apps, music, video, books and content, very little incentive to get an iPhone.

The iTunes store does not make food.
Compared Google Play to iTune store is more appropriate.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 12:23 PM   #91
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Well, this is it.

Apple is clearly dying.

I mean, they lost about 3% of the smartphone market. They're only providing 1 out of every 5 smartphones out there.

How can they sustain themselves?

THE HORROR!!!
Well do you actually think they are going to expand selling the same tired old design over and over? Even Blackberry was once on top and they too refused to change...
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 12:24 PM   #92
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again false.

apple has cheaper phones at every price level starting at free just like android. All running the same ios.

Android and samsung is innovating at full speed and killing apple in those commercials. The only big thing came out of the iphone was a slighter bigger screen last year, their other big feature the map was a disaster and had a negative impact.

Just look at those commercials, when iphone first came it was a showstopper, now the best they can do is touting a "do not disturb" button and how the caller can hear your voice...during a phone call.

It's laughable.

Meanwhile samsung is killing it with their commercials touting nfs transfers, stylus doing all sorts of cool stuff, etc...

Apple stopped innovating on their iphone, or rather tried and failed. That's fact.

Many people including myself like iphone because it's simple and works out of box, but that will only carry you so far until a tipping point is reached where the features and innovations on the competitor is just too much to resist.
I said new phones. An iPhone 4/4s/3g is old tech, like getting the a 2010 Porshe...still a Porshe, but the 2013 Ferrari might have a few more features.

Nfs transfers, and the old stylus are things that samsung is offering on it's latest phones. Most of the android numbers are coming from the 'other' phones presented as smart phones.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 12:31 PM   #93
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Compared Google Play to iTune store is more appropriate.
Well, if your going to compare a phone operating system installed on hundreds or thousands of phone models by different manufactures to a few iPhone models, then its appropriate.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 12:34 PM   #94
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Samsung's market share went from 19.6% to 22.7%, an 16% increase.
Apple's market share went from 7.4% to 9.2%, an 24% increase.
So Apple is increasing faster than Samsung. I would be interested in knowing what the profit is that each company makes off of each market share percentage. That would be of value.

regarding the OS comparisons:
Android OS is given away free to any and all. Apple makes billions off it's OS. So the comparison is of no value. Google makes money on searches/advertisements. I would be interested in knowing who makes the most profits off their OS. That would be of value.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 12:36 PM   #95
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This is a bit off-topic, but I find it interesting that non-Samsung, non-Nokia, Non-Apple, non-LG, non-Sony, non-Motorola, etc. phones make up for 33% of worldwide mobile phone sales.

What other phone brands are there out there?
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 12:43 PM   #96
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How did this report get published here then?
I didn't mean MacRumors the website. I was actually referring to the users here. I should have been more specific so my post was clear.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 12:46 PM   #97
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Well do you actually think they are going to expand selling the same tired old design over and over? Even Blackberry was once on top and they too refused to change...
Actually, they aren't selling fewer devices.

The market is just increasing at a faster pace than their sales are. >_>;
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 12:52 PM   #98
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Samsung is making great and innovative products at a faster pace than Apple - its market share reflects just that.
I'm a big Apple fan and I've recently bought a Note 2 as my daily-driver and I'm loving it! It's a real shame that Apple offers no such product or I'd be buying it. Note 2 has sold more than 30 million units in a a few months so it's not a niche thing...

Wake-up Apple or Sammy will burst your bubble...
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 12:58 PM   #99
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I didn't mean MacRumors the website. I was actually referring to the users here. I should have been more specific so my post was clear.
Which users? Cuz clearly not all users here (even in this thread) are so blind as to ignore numbers unless they favor Apple.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:01 PM   #100
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Well, if your going to compare a phone operating system installed on hundreds or thousands of phone models by different manufactures to a few iPhone models, then its appropriate.
You compared iTune on-line store to phone manufacturing business.
I'm speechless, you win.
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