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Old Jun 26, 2013, 10:16 AM   #1
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Finder of Leaked iPhone 4 Prototype Speaks Out




Back in 2010, photos of a prototype iPhone 4 appeared on Gizmodo nearly two months before the device was officially unveiled by Apple. Gizmodo obtained the device from a person, later identified as Brian Hogan, who was allegedly handed the phone by another patron after it was left on a stool at a Redwood City, California bar by an Apple engineer testing the new iPhone.

Investigations by Apple's security team and law enforcement focused on Hogan and his friend Sage Wallower, who acted as a middleman in shopping the device to several technology blogs, as well as Gizmodo reporter Jason Chen, who had several computers and other devices seized as part of the investigation.

Ultimately, Gizmodo and Chen were cleared of all charges while Hogan and Wallower were sentenced to probation, community service, and restitution of $250 after pleading no-contest to theft charges. The charges were related to a more than century-old California law requiring finders of lost property who can identify the likely owner to attempt to return the property.

As noted by The Next Web, Hogan has now spoken out on the situation in an "Ask Me Anything" session on Reddit.

In the session, Hogan claims that he was taken advantage of by Gizmodo, which failed to pay an alleged $3,000 bonus to Hogan predicated on Apple confirming the device was genuine. Gizmodo had paid $5,000 up front for the device, but Hogan notes that he spent much more than that on legal fees related to his defense.

Hogan expresses regrets about how he handled the situation initially, noting that he should have simply left the phone with management at the bar to allow them to attempt to return it to its owner. Still, he points out that in the heat of the moment it was easy to make the decision he did make.
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I would have done lots differently looking back now, but how does anyone know what do do in that situation, let alone the 21 year old version of myself. What would you have done if you thought you had an unreleased iPhone? [...]

Short answer is yes definitely [regretting taking the phone]. I also regret how I handled the situation from an early stage, I let it get completely out of my hands and into everyone else's.
Finally, Hogan shares some additional details on the situation, highlighting the stress the publicity caused for his family and his relationships and discussing how his roommate had assisted investigators while he was away from his apartment attempting to maintain a low profile in the wake of publicity from the situation.

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Old Jun 26, 2013, 10:18 AM   #2
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All would have been avoided if the owner didn't get wasted and remembered his phone.
I'm not saying I agree with Hogan.. He should have left it there. I know the point of these phones in the wild is to perform field testing. But perhaps you could have left it at home when going to a bar to celebrate. Plenty of other opportunities to field test it
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 10:19 AM   #3
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I probably wouldn't think to sell it, but I would definitely post pictures on the internet about the story.
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 10:21 AM   #4
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Amazing to think Apple pressed charges when the whole thing smacks so much of an intentional leak (especially considering it happened again with the next phone).
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 10:21 AM   #5
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He feels taken advantage of by Gizmodo??? He shouldn't have been negotiating with them in the first place. Like he later says, he should have turned the phone over to the owners of the bar.
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 10:21 AM   #6
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do we know what happened to the poor guy who left it btw?

did apple fire him?
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 10:22 AM   #7
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I would have contacted someone at Apple to set up a meeting where I could return the iPhone. That would be the right thing to do.
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 10:23 AM   #8
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 10:23 AM   #9
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I would have contacted someone at Apple to set up a meeting where I could return the iPhone. That would be the right thing to do.
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 10:24 AM   #10
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do we know what happened to the poor guy who left it btw?

did apple fire him?
No. He's now the guy who tells all new employees how to handle prototype devices that they are given

(Just making this up, but it's quite possible. We never heard that he was fired, and we probably would have heard about it).
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 10:25 AM   #11
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I probably wouldn't think to sell it, but I would definitely post pictures on the internet about the story.
1) Take pictures of unreleased iPhone 4
2) Return iPhone 4 to bar manager
3) Setup website with pictures and ads, etc.
4) ???
5) Profit!

Seriously, you could have watermarked the pictures, all the techblogs would have linked to your website, and your traffic would have gone through the roof. You would have avoided any legal troubles/costs and generated a nice handful of revenue.
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 10:27 AM   #12
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He feels taken advantage of by Gizmodo??? He shouldn't have been negotiating with them in the first place. Like he later says, he should have turned the phone over to the owners of the bar.
Yeah, the poor guy didn't get paid for the phone that didn't belong to him. My heart bleeds.
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 10:27 AM   #13
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1) Take pictures of unreleased iPhone 4
2) Return iPhone 4 to bar manager
3) Setup website with pictures and ads, etc.
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5) Profit!
That would be the best way to go haha
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 10:28 AM   #14
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"The charges were related to a more than century-old law California law requiring finders of lost property who can identify the likely owner to attempt to return the property"

Whats that supposed to mean? Is steeling old fashioned now?

The guy clearly knew what it was and who the owner was. He is a thief and was lucky to get probation!
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 10:28 AM   #15
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Awww

Poor baby criminal suffered stress while committing his crimes. Me feel so sorry for him.
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All would have been avoided if the owner didn't get wasted and remembered his phone.
I'm not saying I agree with Hogan.. He should have left it there. I know the point of these phones in the wild is to perform field testing. But perhaps you could have left it at home when going to a bar to celebrate. Plenty of other opportunities to field test it
That is sort of like blaming a rape victim who got wasted and guys took advantage of that......

Don't blame the thief.... Blame the person who lost the phone..... The thief is the real victim here.....
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 10:30 AM   #17
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Poor guy, he was scammed when trying to sell stolen property.

And he was only 21 years old!
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 10:36 AM   #18
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"What would you have done if you thought you had an unreleased iPhone? [...] "

Well, contact Apple to give it them back and hope for a gesture from Apple.

Def not stealing it to give it back to news site and get some money over it. But, hell, I am a old school guy that doesn't think that stealing is "cool" while be fair is being "foolish".

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Old Jun 26, 2013, 10:36 AM   #19
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He would've been safe if he just took pictures instead.
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 10:36 AM   #20
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"Gizmodo had paid $5,000 up front for the device, but Hogan notes that he spent much more than that on legal fees related to his defense."

Tsk tsk. He should've called Larry H. Parker.
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 10:37 AM   #21
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I would have contacted someone at Apple to set up a meeting where I could return the iPhone. That would be the right thing to do.
In California where this happens, there are exactly two things that you can do legally when you see an item that looks as if it was lost:

1. Don't touch it. Leave it where it is.
2. Take it and make all reasonable efforts to return it to the rightful owner.

(2) could be a lot of work, which is why you can choose to do (1).

The first thing would have been to inform the bar owner, and leave your contact information with them, so if the owner asks if someone found his lost phone, the bar owner could give the contact information to the owner.

BTW. In Germany, taking the phone away from the bar would have been theft even if you returned it to the owner. There items are only "lost" if they are in a public place not owned by anyone. So you can't legally "find" things at someone's home, in a bar, in a school, on a bus and so on.
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That is sort of like blaming a rape victim who got wasted and guys took advantage of that......

Don't blame the thief.... Blame the person who lost the phone..... The thief is the real victim here.....
Well, people that blame the person who lost the phone are usually the one who knows they would have stolen it.

This is so common nowadays...
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 10:38 AM   #23
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The phone on the right looks sweet!

iPhone 5S??????

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I would have done lots differently looking back now, but how does anyone know what do do in that situation, let alone the 21 year old version of myself. What would you have done if you thought you had an unreleased iPhone?
How does anyone know what to do? Oh I don't know Brian, many of us were raised well and have something called 'common sense'.

You should have turned the phone into the bar owner OR looked through it and called the main contact OR once finding out Apple was looking for it...call them. I'm sure you would have gotten something nice out of Apple for returning their property. Instead you got a nice legal bill. Appropriate for trying to capitalize.

So sick of people using the 'oh I was young and dumb' excuse. Once you are 18, that excuse is gone folks.

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All would have been avoided if the owner didn't get wasted and remembered his phone.
I'm not saying I agree with Hogan.. He should have left it there. I know the point of these phones in the wild is to perform field testing. But perhaps you could have left it at home when going to a bar to celebrate. Plenty of other opportunities to field test it
I hope you seriously don't go through life using this logic.
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Amazing to think Apple pressed charges when the whole thing smacks so much of an intentional leak (especially considering it happened again with the next phone).
If that was an intentional leak then someone at Apple would be a criminal. Because if they left the phone in the bar _intentionally_ then it wasn't lost, but abandoned, so anyone could pick it up legally. Therefore claiming that Hogan stole it would have been making a false accusation; in the UK the whole thing would have been called "perverting the cause of justice" which will carry a jail sentence.

So you are basically accusing someone at Apple of being a serious criminal. Think about that.

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So sick of people using the 'oh I was young and dumb' excuse. Once you are 18, that excuse is gone folks.
Many people _are_ young and dumb at 18. Or at 21. Since it all happened in a bar, he might have had some alcohol, and the first thing alcohol does is turn off the bit in your brain that says "this is a stupid idea" when you think of doing something stupid. (Which is why driving drunk is a bad idea, because you are tempted to do things that are stupid and that you wouldn't do when sober).
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