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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:03 PM   #76
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It is what they say.
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:03 PM   #77
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No data left apple.... Yea right.
Data stolen fom apple: "we're number one, we are número UNO!"
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:04 PM   #78
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State sponsored, PLA unit. They've been doing it for 10 years, ask Nortel...
Just like State-sponsored US cyber/covert operations against "friendly" and "evil" countries out there...just ask the CIA. The only difference is which side you support.
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:05 PM   #79
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Mac's are unhackable they say. Mac's don't break they say. Windows computers are the only one to get hacked they say.
Java is a runtime environment with access to the host system they say. One with many flaws say. And one that can be embedded by any sketchy website they say.

Disable the Java browser plugin (Applications->Utilities->Java Preferences->Untick Enable applet plug-in and Web Start applications) and move on?

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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:09 PM   #80
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Mac's are unhackable they say. Mac's don't break they say. Windows computers are the only one to get hacked they say.
Security Professional Here.

Technically this is a Java vulnerability not some new OS X 0-day like you constantly see with Windows. Java has always been insecure--that's not Apple's fault.
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:09 PM   #81
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In the 90s it was the Japanese we were terrified of (to this day Japan owns roughly as much US debt as China, both around 7%).

In hindsight the Japanese are much more benevolent rivals than the Chinese. Weird how democracy works that way.
The '80s was Japan's big moment. At that time many people were convinced that Japan had figured it all out, but by the early '90s the Japanese economy was falling into a recession from which they never really recovered. I don't see where benevolence has much to do with it. As for the Chinese, it isn't totally clear what they are stealing, or why. Trying to gain control over power grids and oil pipelines may require hacking into corporate systems, but obviously this isn't entirely about industrial espionage, or maybe not at all.
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:11 PM   #82
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Mac's are unhackable they say. Mac's don't break they say. Windows computers are the only one to get hacked they say.
No...they don't say that anymore.
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:12 PM   #83
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someone should start hacking chinese companies and their employees
And you will end up with US companies information and their product's blueprints.

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no...they don't say that anymore.
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:13 PM   #84
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Apostrophes for plural nouns, you say?
Everyone's possessive of their Macs.
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:14 PM   #85
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The '80s was Japan's big moment. At that time many people were convinced that Japan had figured it all out, but by the early '90s the Japanese economy was falling into a recession from which they never really recovered. I don't see where benevolence has much to do with it. As for the Chinese, it isn't totally clear what they are stealing, or why. Trying to gain control over power grids and oil pipelines may require hacking into corporate systems, but obviously this isn't entirely about industrial espionage, or maybe not at all.
1+ billion Chinese citizens.

It's probably a small group of hackers having fun.
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:15 PM   #86
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Macs were never unhackable. Just hackers didn't care to hack it since its marketshare was way too low.

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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:16 PM   #87
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What gets me is this...

If you have read anything about the NSA(Read "Body of Secrets", forget the author, a great read)... Its supposedly the most massive aggregation of data storage and computing power in the planet. They can read every e-mail, phone conversation and credit card purchase you make (around the WORLD) and actually they supposedly installed a new system that checks purchase patterns even with cash and then the system alerts the concerned people. All transatlantic internet/voice cables exit the sea shore and into AT&T offices where NSA siphons off all the traffic in parallel for analysis. And so on and on....

Then there is this immense brain power. NSA employs the largest number of mathematicians in the world.

With all this power, why can't NSA thwart these hackers? Do they think its child's play and beneath them? If they do, then its about time they got in the game and gave the Chinese hackers a taste of sweet and sour,IP packets.
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:16 PM   #88
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If the Chinese government is doing this then this discussion is going to wind up in the PRSI forums.
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:20 PM   #89
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The '80s was Japan's big moment. At that time many people were convinced that Japan had figured it all out, but by the early '90s the Japanese economy was falling into a recession from which they never really recovered. I don't see where benevolence has much to do with it. As for the Chinese, it isn't totally clear what they are stealing, or why. Trying to gain control over power grids and oil pipelines may require hacking into corporate systems, but obviously this isn't entirely about industrial espionage, or maybe not at all.
yeah, I remember reading Michael Crichton's 'Rising Sun' about 20 years ago and how it laid out how America would regret selling so much debt and it's corporate soul to Japan as they would use that leverage and corporate espionage to own America one day.
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:20 PM   #90
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Can we just separate China from the rest of the internet?

They do nothing except hack others. My company has already banned all Chinese ips since all they do is try to hack our systems all day.

Let them have their great firewall.
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:21 PM   #91
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Mac's are unhackable they say. Mac's don't break they say. Windows computers are the only one to get hacked they say.
Nobody (well, nobody rational) says unhackable. Just that the likelihood was much, much, much lower than Windows machines. It would be like me saying "my neighborhood has been so safe for years that I feel comfortable leaving my doors unlocked all the time". I didn't say my house can't be broken into, just that it has never happened and therefore I don't worry about it.

However, inevitably, once the first few break-ins start, people will start to take more precautions. It's only sensible.

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Easy fix - turn off Java in your browser. I did that months ago, and at least in my case there's been absolutely no impact - Java's just not used that many places on the web.
Me too, and it hasn't affected me at all. There are pockets of people who will get very upset at you for suggesting this is the solution though, since apparently Java is needed for some people to access their work environments or banking clients.
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:24 PM   #92
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"Now we're REALLY doubling down on security" @timcook #hacked #dammit
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:26 PM   #93
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I think this is the second company (Saw a news piece yesterday, can't recall the other company) that said they got it by visiting a developer site. Crazy stuff.
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:38 PM   #94
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Silly all around. The real news here is not Apple related, it's foreign relations related. If the Chinese government is endorsing any cyber hacking on any US company, it should be seen as a threat and policies should be tightened. Plenty of other countries to go to for production.

Ahhh..but, if it was all this easy... hard to bite the hand that feeds you.
Maybe it's not too hard.
One could argue that china "bites."
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:39 PM   #95
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Why? So that we could see our files again?
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:42 PM   #96
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What's that you say?
Wait, I missed that! Who said what?

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Why? So that we could see our files again?
It makes one wonder why people even bother using Dropbox anymore. There's already a copy in the cloud!
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:45 PM   #97
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China is a dictatorship and policestate sparing no expense to monitor and censor its citizens. What is the likely hood that the government does not know the names, mobile numbers, addresses and favourite breakfasts of these "rogue hackers"?
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:49 PM   #98
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China is a dictatorship and policestate sparing no expense to monitor and censor its citizens. What is the likely hood that the government does not know the names, mobile numbers, addresses and favourite breakfasts of these "rogue hackers"?
And what's the difference between China and the US again?

"Monitor" its citizens? "Names, mobile numbers, addresses and favourite breakfasts" of anyone? US "Patriot" Act anyone?

This thread is soon going to the Political area, I am sure...
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:52 PM   #99
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What does hacking US companies have to do with Liberating Chinese People?
Maybe they should ask Apple or Apple's advertising agency for some re-design or re-branding? I doubt Apple will help them with that now.
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 03:55 PM   #100
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