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Old Nov 20, 2011, 10:18 AM   #1
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VMWare Fusion Now Allows Virtualization of Mac OS X Leopard and Snow Leopard [Updated]




With the release of OS X Lion, Apple updated their licensing agreement to allow the virtualization of Mac OS X under programs such as VMWare Fusion and Parallels. This functionality allows you to deploy different sandboxed installations of OS X on a single machine. The change, however, appeared to only apply to OS X Lion and not to previous non-server versions of Mac OS X such as Leopard and Snow Leopard.

So, when the Lion optimized version of VMWare Fusion was released, it allowed users to run additional virtualized copies of OS X Lion, but continued to prohibit running older versions of Mac OS X under Lion.

Those rules seem to have changed a bit in the latest version of VMWare 4.1 which was released on Friday. As first noted by Macworld, VMWare's Fusion no longer strictly prohibits the virtualization of client editions of Mac OS X Leopard and Snow Leopard.
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But one big change with this update isn't documented anywhere: The software has been modified so that it will run the non-server versions of Snow Leopard (Mac OS X 10.6) and Leopard (Mac OS X 10.5). Previously, VMware Fusion supported virtual Macs running Lion, Lion Server, Snow Leopard Server, and Leopard Server.
The change in support, however, is a bit subtle. Instead of prohibiting the use of non-server Snow Leopard and Leopard, VMWare prompts the user to verify that they are licensed to run such copies:




Macworld's Jason Snell confirmed that simply agreeing allowed him to to install and run non-server Mac OS X Snow Leopard and Leopard under Lion. Now, whether end users actually have such a license is less certain. When questioned by Macworld, Apple simply reiterated that virtualization is allowed for Mac OS X Lion, Snow Leopard Server and Leopard Server.

The main advantage for end users of such a configuration is the ability to run older PowerPC-based applications on demand. Apple removed Rosetta PowerPC emulation support in Mac OS X Lion, stranding some users who depend on legacy PowerPC applications. By running Snow Leopard in a virtual machine under OS X Lion, those users could continue to run their PowerPC applications on occasion while otherwise using OS X Lion.

Update: VMware has noted that the Snow Leopard and Leopard client virtualization was made possible by an omission of a server edition check from the new Fusion 4.1 software. WMware will be releasing an update to address the issue.

Article Link: VMWare Fusion Now Allows Virtualization of Mac OS X Leopard and Snow Leopard [Updated]
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Old Nov 20, 2011, 10:22 AM   #2
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Let's see if I can put a virtual machine within another virtual machine now.
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Old Nov 20, 2011, 10:23 AM   #3
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Now, I'd like to see this in Parallels 7.
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Old Nov 20, 2011, 10:26 AM   #4
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Smart move if they want Mac OS X Server to be taken seriously in the future. I would say at least half of the servers I work with are virtualized. Also, when writing server side software, we almost always get a VM image that we use rather than fussing with setting up a local machine.

This is a very smart move IMO.
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Old Nov 20, 2011, 10:27 AM   #5
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Works great.

Now I can finally use my two Canon printers that only work with 10.6.
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Old Nov 20, 2011, 10:31 AM   #6
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This is great. I just hope that Apple doesn't force them to pull this feature at some point.
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Old Nov 20, 2011, 10:40 AM   #7
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Haha kids! Rosetta support is mine once again!
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Old Nov 20, 2011, 10:44 AM   #8
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Nice. So now I can have Lion, Snow Leopard and 7 Ultimate on the same computer. I hope it comes to Parallels too soon.
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Old Nov 20, 2011, 10:45 AM   #9
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So does this mean I can finally upgrade to Lion and just run my Adobe Creative Suite apps in Snow Leopard virtualized?

Incompatibility with Adobe apps is the only thing keeping me from upgrading to Lion right now.
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Old Nov 20, 2011, 10:46 AM   #10
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Will this software allow me to

Greetings everyone. I just noticed this post in my Google Reader--serendipitous!

Will this software allow me to run a program that only runs on Leopard (not Snow Leopard!) with Lion? I have program vital to my livelihood that is now ten years old, but has no substitute.
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Old Nov 20, 2011, 10:48 AM   #11
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Why not allow previous version to be run on other inferior OS?

Maybe people running other inferior OS's can get a glimpse at the future; thus increase Apple's hardware sales? Just saying

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Old Nov 20, 2011, 10:53 AM   #12
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PPC forever! Glad to see that PPC apps can be run in Lion now.
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Old Nov 20, 2011, 10:58 AM   #13
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Forgive me for possibly being lazy, but what does this software cost?
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Forgive me for possibly being lazy, but what does this software cost?
$49.99 for VMware fusion at the moment

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Let's see if I can put a virtual machine within another virtual machine now.


You probably could, but the performance would be awful
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Greetings everyone. I just noticed this post in my Google Reader--serendipitous!

Will this software allow me to run a program that only runs on Leopard (not Snow Leopard!) with Lion? I have program vital to my livelihood that is now ten years old, but has no substitute.
Yep.
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Old Nov 20, 2011, 11:03 AM   #17
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Forgive me for possibly being lazy, but what does this software cost?
Around $50. VirtualBox is free, and I am successfully running Snow Leopard virtual under Lion with VirtualBox.
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Old Nov 20, 2011, 11:06 AM   #18
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I wonder how good performance really is when running Rosetta translation on top of a VM? Although I suppose unless you are planning on running a PPC game or heavy non-Universal Photoshop use performance isn't that critical.
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Old Nov 20, 2011, 11:17 AM   #19
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Works great.

Now I can finally use my two Canon printers that only work with 10.6.
You probably need to install Gutenprint.
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Now if only more people would use such licensing check methods...

Attempt to play an old iTunes song that still has FairPlay, for example, and rather than have to figure out which iTunes account it was downloaded with, just click the "Yep, I'm authorized to listen to this." button.

Oooh! This could be used instead of passwords, too!

Slide to Unlock your iPhone and instead of a keypad, it simply says "Please verify you're allowed to use this iPhone."

And for getting into and starting cars!

"Please verify you're allowed to drive me."

Ahhh, the possibilities are endless. I would like such a world, I think.
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This is big news. It will let more people upgrade to lion as well.
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Old Nov 20, 2011, 11:24 AM   #22
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Let's see if Apple turns a blind eye to this or asks VMWare to remove it. If they do the former, it could help spur adoption of Lion since people who need Quicken 2007 or another PowerPC application could still go ahead and purchase Lion or a new Mac.
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Old Nov 20, 2011, 11:25 AM   #23
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Around $50. VirtualBox is free, and I am successfully running Snow Leopard virtual under Lion with VirtualBox.
So now I can buy a MacBook Air, run SL under VirtualBox, and ignore Lion's abyssmal user interface and auto-save? Kewl!
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Old Nov 20, 2011, 11:29 AM   #24
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Maybe its me but ...

I can install snow leopard, but NOT leopard, it fails part way through.

Also you have to use 32 bit version and not 64 bit (late 2009 MBP with 8GB).

UPDATE: by setting the number of cores to 2 and the memory to 2GB I was able to install 10.5 - Leopard ;-)

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Haha kids! Rosetta support is mine once again!
Hm.....
Interesting how it seems to be better to run PPC-emulated-via-Rosetta apps inside a VM than directly run the the PPC app in a PearPC.
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