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Old Feb 26, 2013, 12:22 PM   #1
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Gorilla glass 2.0 tough enough?

Is the screen on the iPhone 5 (gorilla glass 2.0) resistant enough to every day use or is a screen protector necessary.
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Old Feb 26, 2013, 12:23 PM   #2
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Is the screen on the iPhone 5 (gorilla glass 2.0) resistant enough to every day use or is a screen protector necessary.
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Old Feb 26, 2013, 12:33 PM   #3
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If you keep it in a dedicated pocket and don't throw it around, it should be enough.

But you need to remember that Gorilla Glass is not harder than quartz, which is found it most dust, sand, and rocks. If you have any of that stuff in your pocket then yes, you will get scratches.

Personally I go without a screen protector and have Applecare+ on it in case it gets scratched or whatever.
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Old Feb 26, 2013, 01:02 PM   #4
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If you keep it in a dedicated pocket and don't throw it around, it should be enough.

But you need to remember that Gorilla Glass is not harder than quartz, which is found it most dust, sand, and rocks. If you have any of that stuff in your pocket then yes, you will get scratches.

Personally I go without a screen protector and have Applecare+ on it in case it gets scratched or whatever.
Then what the hell is it resistant against
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Then what the hell is it resistant against
Gorilla Glass, on the hardness scale, has a hardness of 6+ - 7. (there is some dispute about this, as some have claimed it is a 9. But the frequency of reports of it being scratched makes me believe the number I heard in other forums about it being between 6 and 7.)


Anything harder than that will scratch the screen.

Iron, steel, nickel, lead, gold, silver or any medal are softer (1-5) than gorilla glass, so they should not scratch the glass.

On the other hand, sand contains quartz and it could scratch gorilla glass, for example when sand is in your pockets (after a walk on the beach).

One more thing:
a common misconception is: 'make something sharp and it will scratch'. it's wrong. you can make your fingernail or your key as sharp as possible, it is still softer than the glass and it will not scratch.
So, no, keys won't scratch it (steel), but anything harder than 7 on the scale will with no problem. So anybody that has no scratches obviously hasn't made contact to the screen with anything harder than a 7 on this scale.

Hardness Substance or mineral
0.2–0.3 caesium, rubidium
0.5–0.6 lithium, sodium, potassium
1 talc
1.5 gallium, strontium, indium, tin, barium, thallium, lead, graphite
2 hexagonal boron nitride,[10] calcium, selenium, cadmium, sulfur, tellurium, bismuth
2.5 to 3 magnesium, gold, silver, aluminium, zinc, lanthanum, cerium, Jet_(lignite) (lignite)
3 calcite, copper, arsenic, antimony, thorium, dentin
4 fluorite, iron, nickel
4 to 4.5 platinum, steel
5 apatite, cobalt, zirconium, palladium, tooth enamel, obsidian (volcanic glass)
5.5 beryllium, molybdenum, hafnium
6 orthoclase, titanium, manganese, germanium, niobium, rhodium, uranium
6 to 7 glass, fused quartz, iron pyrite, silicon, ruthenium, iridium, tantalum, opal
7 quartz, vanadium, osmium, rhenium
7.5 to 8 hardened steel, tungsten, emerald, spinel
8 topaz, cubic zirconia
8.5 chrysoberyl, chromium, silicon nitride
9-9.5 corundum, silicon carbide (carborundum), tungsten carbide, titanium carbide, stishovite
9.5–10 rhenium diboride, tantalum carbide, titanium diboride, boron nitride, boron [11][12][13]
10 diamond
>10 nanocrystalline diamond (hyperdiamond, ultrahard fullerite)
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Old Feb 26, 2013, 01:48 PM   #6
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Also, it does matter how much force you put into it. I bet a metal like titanium can still scratch the screen if you put a lot of force on it.

Gorilla Glass is just more resistant to scratches than standard glass. Also, one other special feature: if the Glass does shatter, you won't have a lot of glass flying around your head (like what happens with normal glass).
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Old Feb 26, 2013, 01:50 PM   #7
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Gorilla Glass, on the hardness scale, has a hardness of 6+ - 7. (there is some dispute about this, as some have claimed it is a 9. But the frequency of reports of it being scratched makes me believe the number I heard in other forums about it being between 6 and 7.)


Anything harder than that will scratch the screen.

Iron, steel, nickel, lead, gold, silver or any medal are softer (1-5) than gorilla glass, so they should not scratch the glass.

On the other hand, sand contains quartz and it could scratch gorilla glass, for example when sand is in your pockets (after a walk on the beach).

One more thing:
a common misconception is: 'make something sharp and it will scratch'. it's wrong. you can make your fingernail or your key as sharp as possible, it is still softer than the glass and it will not scratch.
So, no, keys won't scratch it (steel), but anything harder than 7 on the scale will with no problem. So anybody that has no scratches obviously hasn't made contact to the screen with anything harder than a 7 on this scale.

Hardness Substance or mineral
0.20.3 caesium, rubidium
0.50.6 lithium, sodium, potassium
1 talc
1.5 gallium, strontium, indium, tin, barium, thallium, lead, graphite
2 hexagonal boron nitride,[10] calcium, selenium, cadmium, sulfur, tellurium, bismuth
2.5 to 3 magnesium, gold, silver, aluminium, zinc, lanthanum, cerium, Jet_(lignite) (lignite)
3 calcite, copper, arsenic, antimony, thorium, dentin
4 fluorite, iron, nickel
4 to 4.5 platinum, steel
5 apatite, cobalt, zirconium, palladium, tooth enamel, obsidian (volcanic glass)
5.5 beryllium, molybdenum, hafnium
6 orthoclase, titanium, manganese, germanium, niobium, rhodium, uranium
6 to 7 glass, fused quartz, iron pyrite, silicon, ruthenium, iridium, tantalum, opal
7 quartz, vanadium, osmium, rhenium
7.5 to 8 hardened steel, tungsten, emerald, spinel
8 topaz, cubic zirconia
8.5 chrysoberyl, chromium, silicon nitride
9-9.5 corundum, silicon carbide (carborundum), tungsten carbide, titanium carbide, stishovite
9.510 rhenium diboride, tantalum carbide, titanium diboride, boron nitride, boron [11][12][13]
10 diamond
>10 nanocrystalline diamond (hyperdiamond, ultrahard fullerite)
The screen should be made of diamonds!!!!
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Old Feb 26, 2013, 01:51 PM   #8
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I have never seen a good use for screen protectors on an iPhone. Ever.

The only thing you have to worry about is a bad fall that will crack the screen. And guess what...no screen protector will protect against that.

Some people use cases, some don't. That's personal preference and you can go either way. But whichever way you go, screen protectors are just a big waste of time and money.
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Old Feb 26, 2013, 02:10 PM   #9
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Also, it does matter how much force you put into it. I bet a metal like titanium can still scratch the screen if you put a lot of force on it.

Gorilla Glass is just more resistant to scratches than standard glass. Also, one other special feature: if the Glass does shatter, you won't have a lot of glass flying around your head (like what happens with normal glass).
I have a titanium key too! Crap! Lol



Oddly enough notice its worn out a bit? It's by far harder then the rest of my keys and the lock cylinder on my car.

Friction? Excessive force? Dunno, I understand the hardness scale but there seems like there's more too it.

When I shoot hardened steel targets pistol rounds only take the paint off. Rifle rounds can leave significant damage.
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I have a titanium key too! Crap! Lol

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Oddly enough notice its worn out a bit? It's by far harder then the rest of my keys and the lock cylinder on my car.

Friction? Excessive force? Dunno, I understand the hardness scale but there seems like there's more too it.

When I shoot hardened steel targets pistol rounds only take the paint off. Rifle rounds can leave significant damage.
Well, it's quite a soft metal right? A soft metal can be very hard, while a hard metal can be very soft.

Probably lots of factors come into play. We're not even sure if glass is a liquid or solid, haha.
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Old Feb 26, 2013, 02:47 PM   #11
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Gorilla Glass is a marketing term. Does not mean indestructible

$49.00 replacement if drops/spills on iphone. Priceless

AppleCare + insurance from Apple
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Old Feb 26, 2013, 03:04 PM   #12
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It's not the glass that usually scratches its the coating on the glass.
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Old Feb 26, 2013, 04:43 PM   #13
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I remember my first Nokia bar style phone, 2 lgs and my Razr all had plastic screens. People never had the need to use screen protectors then, but now everybody is becoming so sensitive and are worried about GLASS scratching. I mean, unless your phone meets sandpaper pretty much any scratches it'll get (if any) will be unnoticeable in everyday use unless you're looking for them in direct sunlight or something.
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Old Feb 27, 2013, 02:50 AM   #14
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Gorilla Glass, on the hardness scale, has a hardness of 6+ - 7. (there is some dispute about this, as some have claimed it is a 9. But the frequency of reports of it being scratched makes me believe the number I heard in other forums about it being between 6 and 7.)


Anything harder than that will scratch the screen.

Iron, steel, nickel, lead, gold, silver or any medal are softer (1-5) than gorilla glass, so they should not scratch the glass.

On the other hand, sand contains quartz and it could scratch gorilla glass, for example when sand is in your pockets (after a walk on the beach).

One more thing:
a common misconception is: 'make something sharp and it will scratch'. it's wrong. you can make your fingernail or your key as sharp as possible, it is still softer than the glass and it will not scratch.
So, no, keys won't scratch it (steel), but anything harder than 7 on the scale will with no problem. So anybody that has no scratches obviously hasn't made contact to the screen with anything harder than a 7 on this scale.

Hardness Substance or mineral
0.20.3 caesium, rubidium
0.50.6 lithium, sodium, potassium
1 talc
1.5 gallium, strontium, indium, tin, barium, thallium, lead, graphite
2 hexagonal boron nitride,[10] calcium, selenium, cadmium, sulfur, tellurium, bismuth
2.5 to 3 magnesium, gold, silver, aluminium, zinc, lanthanum, cerium, Jet_(lignite) (lignite)
3 calcite, copper, arsenic, antimony, thorium, dentin
4 fluorite, iron, nickel
4 to 4.5 platinum, steel
5 apatite, cobalt, zirconium, palladium, tooth enamel, obsidian (volcanic glass)
5.5 beryllium, molybdenum, hafnium
6 orthoclase, titanium, manganese, germanium, niobium, rhodium, uranium
6 to 7 glass, fused quartz, iron pyrite, silicon, ruthenium, iridium, tantalum, opal
7 quartz, vanadium, osmium, rhenium
7.5 to 8 hardened steel, tungsten, emerald, spinel
8 topaz, cubic zirconia
8.5 chrysoberyl, chromium, silicon nitride
9-9.5 corundum, silicon carbide (carborundum), tungsten carbide, titanium carbide, stishovite
9.510 rhenium diboride, tantalum carbide, titanium diboride, boron nitride, boron [11][12][13]
10 diamond
>10 nanocrystalline diamond (hyperdiamond, ultrahard fullerite)
You appear to be far too intelligent for this forum.

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Old Feb 27, 2013, 12:43 PM   #15
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Is the screen on the iPhone 5 (gorilla glass 2.0) resistant enough to every day use or is a screen protector necessary.
As always (same as it for any device), it's a matter of personal preference. Quantify "tough enough". It's scratch resistant but it's not unscratchable. You have to make the call based on your preference. You have to take whatever precautions you're willing to take. We can't tell you that. Some use screen protectors. Some do not.

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I have never seen a good use for screen protectors on an iPhone. Ever.

The only thing you have to worry about is a bad fall that will crack the screen. And guess what...no screen protector will protect against that.

Some people use cases, some don't. That's personal preference and you can go either way. But whichever way you go, screen protectors are just a big waste of time and money.
It's personal preference for both. What you consider "good use" or "waste" is your subjective preference. The next person's can and will vary. You can't dictate what others will or will not worry about based on your preference. Further, "never seen" != "does not exist" despite what many seem to think.

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Also, it does matter how much force you put into it. I bet a metal like titanium can still scratch the screen if you put a lot of force on it.
No, hardness matters. Force and sharpness do not. The material has to be harder than the Gorilla Glass to scratch it. You can certainly crack it with enough force but scratching it requires a harder material.

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I remember my first Nokia bar style phone, 2 lgs and my Razr all had plastic screens. People never had the need to use screen protectors then, but now everybody is becoming so sensitive and are worried about GLASS scratching.
Screen protectors aren't anything new. They've been around for a long time whether you noticed them or not.

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Gorilla Glass, on the hardness scale, has a hardness of 6+ - 7. (there is some dispute about this, as some have claimed it is a 9. But the frequency of reports of it being scratched makes me believe the number I heard in other forums about it being between 6 and 7.)


Anything harder than that will scratch the screen.

Iron, steel, nickel, lead, gold, silver or any medal are softer (1-5) than gorilla glass, so they should not scratch the glass.

On the other hand, sand contains quartz and it could scratch gorilla glass, for example when sand is in your pockets (after a walk on the beach).

One more thing:
a common misconception is: 'make something sharp and it will scratch'. it's wrong. you can make your fingernail or your key as sharp as possible, it is still softer than the glass and it will not scratch.
So, no, keys won't scratch it (steel), but anything harder than 7 on the scale will with no problem. So anybody that has no scratches obviously hasn't made contact to the screen with anything harder than a 7 on this scale.

Hardness Substance or mineral
0.20.3 caesium, rubidium
0.50.6 lithium, sodium, potassium
1 talc
1.5 gallium, strontium, indium, tin, barium, thallium, lead, graphite
2 hexagonal boron nitride,[10] calcium, selenium, cadmium, sulfur, tellurium, bismuth
2.5 to 3 magnesium, gold, silver, aluminium, zinc, lanthanum, cerium, Jet_(lignite) (lignite)
3 calcite, copper, arsenic, antimony, thorium, dentin
4 fluorite, iron, nickel
4 to 4.5 platinum, steel
5 apatite, cobalt, zirconium, palladium, tooth enamel, obsidian (volcanic glass)
5.5 beryllium, molybdenum, hafnium
6 orthoclase, titanium, manganese, germanium, niobium, rhodium, uranium
6 to 7 glass, fused quartz, iron pyrite, silicon, ruthenium, iridium, tantalum, opal
7 quartz, vanadium, osmium, rhenium
7.5 to 8 hardened steel, tungsten, emerald, spinel
8 topaz, cubic zirconia
8.5 chrysoberyl, chromium, silicon nitride
9-9.5 corundum, silicon carbide (carborundum), tungsten carbide, titanium carbide, stishovite
9.510 rhenium diboride, tantalum carbide, titanium diboride, boron nitride, boron [11][12][13]
10 diamond
>10 nanocrystalline diamond (hyperdiamond, ultrahard fullerite)
Great post, should be on an iPhone FAQ or on the sticky with most FAQ on this forum.
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You appear to be far too intelligent for this forum.

I hope you stick around.
That post was a copy-paste of http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...php?p=16654351

and the source of the hardness scale table is http://www.clirik.com/comnews/428.html
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That post was a copy-paste of http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...php?p=16654351

and the source of the hardness scale table is http://www.clirik.com/comnews/428.html
Ha ha, never claimed credit for it, though.

Still, it works.
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I use the screen protector that came with my Otterbox. I'm glad I put it on. It has 5 "scars" on it from falls, etc. I emailed them about the damaged protector and they sent me a few replacements (mighty nice of them, I was willing to pay for them). I'm pretty certain some of these scars would''ve scratched my screen. I wouldn't have gotten a screen protector if it hadn't come with the Otterbox. This is my experience and should be considered as such.
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Don't know if this helps, but for lubricated bush bearing one normally runs hard against soft, and then it is the hard that eventually wears away; what is happening is that there are harder particles in the oil that get pressed into the softer material and these eventually wear away the harder.
I wonder how true this is in the dry case, where a metal key may have fine grit embedded in its surface.
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That post was a copy-paste of http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...php?p=16654351

and the source of the hardness scale table is http://www.clirik.com/comnews/428.html
Couldn't let him have his moment could you.
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Ha ha, never claimed credit for it, though.

Still, it works.
You could of pasted the source link and put the full post post in quote tags. Now you just look sad because the way it was worded.
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You could of pasted the source link and put the full post post in quote tags. Now you just look sad because the way it was worded.
I'm not sad at all. So a couple of people are tsk tsking about my very helpful and informative post?
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Couldn't let him have his moment could you.
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No iPhone uses Gorilla Glass. 1 or 2. Th iPhone screen will crack when dropped at a certain height and force. The rumored iPhone 5S or iPhone 6 is rumored to contain Corning Gorilla glass.
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