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Old Mar 14, 2013, 12:10 PM   #1
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China Mobile Announces Big LTE Push, No Progress on iPhone Negotiations




The Wall Street Journal reports that China Mobile -- the largest cellular carrier in the world -- is planning to spend $7 billion on its LTE network this year, paving the way for the company to support the iPhone 5. Until now, China Mobile hasn't sold the iPhone, though more than 15 million iPhones are used on its networks, but at extremely slow data speeds.

However, China Mobile says there has been "no progress" to report in negotiations with Apple.

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While China Mobile has been in talks with Apple for years over a potential deal to offer the iPhone, Chief Executive Li Yue said that there had been "no progress" to report. In January, Mr. Xi met Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook in Beijing and discussed cooperation, raising expectations that China Mobile would soon begin offering the iPhone.

China Mobile would be a key partner for Apple, which faces fierce competition from Samsung Electronics and other rivals offering smartphones powered by Google Inc.'s Android operating system.
China has accounted for much of Apple's recent record growth, and Tim Cook has traveled to China several times to meet with China Mobile representatives to make a deal.

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Old Mar 14, 2013, 12:16 PM   #2
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I would expect China Mobile, which is not technically a capitalist firm, to focus heavily on TD-LTE to differentiate it from the rest of the world and be the first large carrier to focus on VoIP and SMS to replace voice and text over data signals. The fall-back access over 3G and voice is a transition for 2-3 years after which all handsets will be data only and prepaid only.

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Old Mar 14, 2013, 12:20 PM   #3
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I would expect China Mobile, which is not technically a capitalist firm, to focus heavily on TD-LTE to differentiate it from the rest of the world and be the first large carrier to focus on VoIP and SMS to replace voice and text over data signals. The fall-back access over 3G and voice is a transition for 2-3 years after which all handsets will be data only and prepaid only.

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Why would the largest network in the world, which is owned by the government, has a captive audience, and has 1B subscribers...need to differentiate.

Come on.
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Old Mar 14, 2013, 12:23 PM   #4
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It would seem that if there was a way to provide free wifi everywhere then people wouldn't need cellular service at all. I may just be ignorant of how this would actually be achieved.

Just my $0.02...
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Old Mar 14, 2013, 12:25 PM   #5
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Why would the largest network in the world, which is owned by the government, has a captive audience, and has 1B subscribers...need to differentiate.

Come on.
Every company needs to keep growing, expanding, and looking ro the future, even huge and profitable ones. Kind of the same "problem" facing Apple right now.
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Old Mar 14, 2013, 12:28 PM   #6
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If Apple wants to compete worldwide, it really needs to find away to tap into the low-income market. They will not succeed selling their phones for $1000 there...
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Old Mar 14, 2013, 12:29 PM   #7
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Instead of the iPhone 5S, Timmy is going to introduce the iPhone 5C in China.
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Old Mar 14, 2013, 12:29 PM   #8
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It would seem that if there was a way to provide free wifi everywhere then people wouldn't need cellular service at all. I may just be ignorant of how this would actually be achieved.

Just my $0.02...
WiFi is difficult to cover large areas. In my house I can barely get WiFi reception in every room. And in some places it is nowhere near good enough to stream.
3G/4G data services are designed to be used in large areas with lots of users. That is the economical way for data to be available to a large area. Don't expect WiFi everywhere. Of it it is then don't expect it to be as cheap or reliable as cellular service.
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Looks like Apple needs China Mobile a whole lot more than China Mobile needs the iPhone.
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WiFi is difficult to cover large areas. In my house I can barely get WiFi reception in every room. And in some places it is nowhere near good enough to stream.
3G/4G data services are designed to be used in large areas with lots of users. That is the economical way for data to be available to a large area. Don't expect WiFi everywhere. Of it it is then don't expect it to be as cheap or reliable as cellular service.
Consume grade wifi routers are really low powered and cheap and incapable of doing what he wants. However, when you get into business grade APs you can cover vast amounts of areas and support large amounts of users. With that said... these kind of Wireless APs do not come very cheap. They run into the thousands.
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Old Mar 14, 2013, 12:39 PM   #11
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Looks like Apple needs China Mobile a whole lot more than China Mobile needs the iPhone.
Apple should just buy China!
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Old Mar 14, 2013, 01:27 PM   #12
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Apple should just buy China!
Apple is not a drop in the bucket compared to China's economic scale. This is just another example of Tim Cook's inability to close the deals and squandering the lead Apple once had.
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Apple is not a drop in the bucket compared to China's economic scale. This is just another example of Tim Cook's inability to close the deals and squandering the lead Apple once had.
I really really hope you got my satire
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Old Mar 14, 2013, 01:52 PM   #14
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Looks like Apple needs China Mobile a whole lot more than China Mobile needs the iPhone.
So, you infer that Apple is in the weaker position because there is no deal. You need to justify that.

On the other hand, could it be that China Mobile think they're big enough to tell Apple what the deal is, and Apple have been patiently explaining to them that they're wrong?
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Old Mar 14, 2013, 02:09 PM   #15
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It would appear that the days of board members stampeding to pick up the apple soap at the negotiation tables are dwindling.
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Apple is not a drop in the bucket compared to China's economic scale. This is just another example of Tim Cook's inability to close the deals and squandering the lead Apple once had.
Well, Steve Jobs also failed to "close the deal", yet you say it like another thing Cook can't do that Jobs would have. But Jobs couldn't either.
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Old Mar 14, 2013, 02:59 PM   #17
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Well, Steve Jobs also failed to "close the deal", yet you say it like another thing Cook can't do that Jobs would have. But Jobs couldn't either.
Steve has quite a list of accomplishments. Cook OTOH, IMO, is squandering Apple's innovation trajectory. The missteps under his leadership have been enumerated in many threads and a chorus of opinions to replace him is growing.
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Old Mar 14, 2013, 04:29 PM   #18
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It would appear that the days of board members stampeding to pick up the apple soap at the negotiation tables are dwindling.
China Mobile has never been like that.

Even when they had their agreement with Nokia, it came with very large strings attached... like handsets specific to China Mobile, and a large cut from sales on the Nokia Ovi store (which was once the world's largest app store).

The new Nokia deal involves putting Mobile Market (China Mobile's own app store) onto Windows Mobile phones.

I'm sure that is one of the major sticking points right now. China Mobile won't do a deal without either receiving a cut from Apple App Store sales, or putting their own app store on the phone.
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Old Mar 14, 2013, 04:36 PM   #19
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Steve has quite a list of accomplishments. Cook OTOH, IMO, is squandering Apple's innovation trajectory. The missteps under his leadership have been enumerated in many threads and a chorus of opinions to replace him is growing.
Oh the missteps are huge! They only had the best quarter in the history of the company and have only missed wall streets crazy numbers that they never said they would do. Cooks only mistake is trying to be more open with the public and investors. They decided to give more realistic guidance and made that clear. The problem is wall street continues to use the same factoring to come up with their numbers. They should go back to extremely conservative guidance which I think they may have done for this quarter.
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Why would the largest network in the world, which is owned by the government, has a captive audience, and has 1B subscribers...need to differentiate.

Come on.
Does it matter why? They've gone TD-LTE full steam ahead regardless of "Why". TD-LTE is the future where we can expect 50-100Mbps down in the real world (assuming the infrastructure is built). Eventually Softbank in Japan will have it too, as well as carriers from Brazil, Russia, India, Sweden, and Saudi Arabia. It is not a question of "Why" but "When"?

The big question mark here in the US is, how will we all have access to a TD-LTE network, when AT&T and Verizon don't seem to have any plans to migrate? Sprint/Clearwire essentially have a huge headstart on them, but their deal with Softbank is still not done, and rumors have their TD-LTE network behind schedule.
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Old Mar 14, 2013, 05:15 PM   #21
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These two companies need each other, come on Apple! Supply China Mobile with your lower-priced iPhones!
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Old Mar 14, 2013, 06:17 PM   #22
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Why would the largest network in the world, which is owned by the government, has a captive audience, and has 1B subscribers...need to differentiate.

Come on.
It's not a captive audience. Customers move between the carriers just as they do here. It doesn't have a billion subs either. More like 675 million. And it's a semi private company.

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Looks like Apple needs China Mobile a whole lot more than China Mobile needs the iPhone.
Don't be too sure about that. They are losing customers to the other big carriers because of 3G issues.

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Apple is not a drop in the bucket compared to China's economic scale. This is just another example of Tim Cook's inability to close the deals and squandering the lead Apple once had.
I don't know about that, Jobs failed to close the deal for years.

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Not true!

What you don't seem to know is that the big sticking point with China Mobile is they they have been demanding a percentage of the money from the App Store. I'm not sure if they are demanding from iTunes as well.

This is a problem that Apple can't let slide. If China Mobile succeeded with this, every carrier around the world will demand the same thing. It's more important for Apple to not give in on this than it is to get a deal with China Mobile.

If in your genius, you can think of how to "close the deal" without giving that up, by all means, tell us.
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Consume grade wifi routers are really low powered and cheap and incapable of doing what he wants. However, when you get into business grade APs you can cover vast amounts of areas and support large amounts of users. With that said... these kind of Wireless APs do not come very cheap. They run into the thousands.
It's just a different frequency. Wifi is high frequency that doesn't travel very far. 2G/3G/4G operates on much much lower frequencies that travel very far.
That's the physical difference, so large scale wifi deployment is really a pointless exercise.
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Apple should just buy China!
That's the ticket!
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Doesn't China already have it's own iPhone?
http://gizmodo.com/5021723/fake-chin...-the-real-deal
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