Register FAQ / Rules Forum Spy Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   MacRumors Forums > Apple Hardware > Desktops > Mac Pro

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Mar 24, 2013, 05:57 PM   #1
Radiating
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Any chance for a smaller Mac Pro this year?

What are the chances that Apple will release a smaller Mac Pro this year, which is a better alternative to the Mac Mini?

I've seen a modular case design concept and it would be really nice if the Mac Pro would be smaller for those of us wanting a home workstation.
Radiating is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 24, 2013, 06:02 PM   #2
McGiord
macrumors 68040
 
McGiord's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Dark Castle
This has been the eternal wish never fulfilled by Apple, who knows...
I wish they do something, but with the current all glued components and lack of customization choices it seems very distant and unlikely.
__________________
And now what is NeXT?
McGiord is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 24, 2013, 06:06 PM   #3
LuxoJunior
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
I'd be surprised if there were ANY Mac Pro this year.
LuxoJunior is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 24, 2013, 07:09 PM   #4
Wardenski
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by Radiating View Post
What are the chances that Apple will release a smaller Mac Pro this year, which is a better alternative to the Mac Mini?

I've seen a modular case design concept and it would be really nice if the Mac Pro would be smaller for those of us wanting a home workstation.
I really don't understand what peoples obsession with this modular system. Its a horrible idea. There have been several threads about it.

Smaller Mac Pro? I don't see the point, expandability is the name of the game. The Mac Pro is tiny compared to the 4U workstations offered by Supermicro et al.
Wardenski is offline   7 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 24, 2013, 07:17 PM   #5
Umbongo
macrumors 601
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: England
Quote:
Originally Posted by Radiating View Post
What are the chances that Apple will release a smaller Mac Pro this year, which is a better alternative to the Mac Mini?

I've seen a modular case design concept and it would be really nice if the Mac Pro would be smaller for those of us wanting a home workstation.
If they go smaller than the current size that means no dual-processor model, only low-end processors or a noisier dual-processor model. There won't be two different enclosures. Are you really struggling for space where 1-2" in each dimension will help?

I get the desire for smaller footprints in hardware, I really do, but this is a high-end workstation that caters to a niche market and has to meet many different user configuration demands. Anything smaller won't be much more powerful or expandable than what is already available.
Umbongo is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 24, 2013, 08:27 PM   #6
bearcatrp
macrumors 68000
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Boon Docks USA
Apple could make a single zeon 8 core/16 thread Mac Pro in a slimmer configuration. With apple pushing thunderbolt, a 2 disk 8 core would work provided it has a high ghz processor. Anyone's guess though.
__________________
2010 2.66 Mac Mini, 2 ATV, iPhone 4S, Dual X5670 2.93 Westmere Win7 PC w/48gb ram & 4930K w/32gb ram Win7.
bearcatrp is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 24, 2013, 08:54 PM   #7
Jake0604
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Vulcan
A smaller Mac Pro is a terrible idea. If anything they should make it bigger and add more expandability.
__________________
2010 Mac Pro, Quad-Core, 16GB RAM, GTX 680
Jake0604 is offline   3 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 24, 2013, 09:20 PM   #8
Macsonic
macrumors 65816
 
Macsonic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Earth
Send a message via Yahoo to Macsonic
I am fine with the current case size of the Mac Pro. Was thinking of adequate interior space for air and heat circulation. The components and chips are not too close to each other for ample breathing space.
Macsonic is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 24, 2013, 09:59 PM   #9
damir00
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by Radiating View Post
What are the chances that Apple will release a smaller Mac Pro this year, which is a better alternative to the Mac Mini?
My guess is the only way the Mac Pro survives is in a down-sized form.

Nope, nothing tangible to base that on. Just a hunch.
damir00 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 24, 2013, 10:11 PM   #10
echoout
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Austin, Texas
Whatever size makes it significantly faster works for me.
echoout is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 24, 2013, 10:30 PM   #11
violst
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by Macsonic View Post
I am fine with the current case size of the Mac Pro. Was thinking of adequate interior space for air and heat circulation. The components and chips are not too close to each other for ample breathing space.
I couldn't agree more there is no need to change the size of the Mac Pro very much. If you need a smaller computer then maybe you don't really need a Mac Pro?


Quote:
My guess is the only way the Mac Pro survives is in a down-sized form.
How do you figure that. The Mac Pro is a work station and if you compromise its expandability and or storage capacity then how will it compete with other PC workstations? And why would the Pro user base want to buy a compromised workstation? I think its just the opposite they can make it a little bit smaller to be 3U rack mountable as long as they don't compromise its expandability. It would make the Pro user base happy and give an IT manager a more usable/appealing Mac server solution.
__________________
2013 nMP 8-core 3.0, 64GB Ram, 256GB SSD, 6TB Raid, 8TB NAS backup, D500's
2012 15" cMBP core i7 2.7, 16GB Ram, 500GB SSD, 1TB HDD, GT 650M 1GB
violst is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 24, 2013, 10:42 PM   #12
alphaod
macrumors Core
 
alphaod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: 上海 (Shanghai)
At this point I don't even care what the Mac Pro looks like as long as they release a real update.
__________________
Mac Pro | iMac | Mac mini | MacBook Pro | MacBook Air | iPad | iPhone | iPod
alphaod is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 24, 2013, 11:13 PM   #13
Tesselator
macrumors 601
 
Tesselator's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Japan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wardenski View Post
I really don't understand what peoples obsession with this modular system. Its a horrible idea. There have been several threads about it.

Smaller Mac Pro? I don't see the point, expandability is the name of the game. The Mac Pro is tiny compared to the 4U workstations offered by Supermicro et al.
Yeah, stability of such a modular design would be a problem IMO too. But, I totally see the point. I guess less that 10% of mac pro users add anything to their MP systems besides drives and RAM. So a smaller box with just one PCIe slot and all external drives on a TB connection or two would be appealing to a great number of users. We could go for cheap-o 4 to 7-bay drive enclosures and skip the PCIe extension box all together.

Hopefully that would place a fast dual (many cores) down at reasonable prices.
Tesselator is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 25, 2013, 02:04 AM   #14
Radiating
Thread Starter
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by violst View Post
I couldn't agree more there is no need to change the size of the Mac Pro very much. If you need a smaller computer then maybe you don't really need a Mac Pro?
Yeah I'm pretty sure there are scenarios where you need the horsepower of a Mac Pro and small size. Say for example oh I don't know, editing movies and need to travel with equipment. Putting a MacPro in a pelican flight case is very annoying. You need a flight case which weighs 50 POUNDS for just the case itself which makes the whole arrangement just about the size of a dishwasher.

30"x30"x16"

People think you're carrying military ordenance with something that big and it's a lot of trouble to lug around.


Apple could easily make a system that is much smaller, there is so much wasted space on the Mac Pro. With computational fluid dynamics they could easily make the air flow work flawlessly too so don't tell me that would be an issue.

A modular design would also be awesome with seperate PCI Express, CD/DVD/Blu Ray Drives and seperate HDD bays.

Even better make it a 1u rack sized, and 4u with all the expansion bays installed.



Imagine this, except as a Mac Pro.
Radiating is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 25, 2013, 05:25 AM   #15
d-m-a-x
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
i would be ok with it going back to the size and weight of a g4. Although i still heavily use optical media for archiving and backup, if they need to take the drives out i am ok with using an external. Traveling with that sucker is an experience, thank god man invented the wheel.
d-m-a-x is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 25, 2013, 05:33 AM   #16
GermanyChris
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Radiating View Post
Yeah I'm pretty sure there are scenarios where you need the horsepower of a Mac Pro and small size. Say for example oh I don't know, editing movies and need to travel with equipment. Putting a MacPro in a pelican flight case is very annoying. You need a flight case which weighs 50 POUNDS for just the case itself which makes the whole arrangement just about the size of a dishwasher.

30"x30"x16"

People think you're carrying military ordenance with something that big and it's a lot of trouble to lug around.


Apple could easily make a system that is much smaller, there is so much wasted space on the Mac Pro. With computational fluid dynamics they could easily make the air flow work flawlessly too so don't tell me that would be an issue.

A modular design would also be awesome with seperate PCI Express, CD/DVD/Blu Ray Drives and seperate HDD bays.

Even better make it a 1u rack sized, and 4u with all the expansion bays installed.

Image

Imagine this, except as a Mac Pro.

I REALLY like that case..I always have
GermanyChris is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 25, 2013, 07:52 AM   #17
Tesselator
macrumors 601
 
Tesselator's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Japan
It's stylish for sure. Have you seen one in person? What a total waste of space! Those things are monstrous! And mostly just inconvenient in every way. Component access is inconvenient compared to conventional standards and arrangement/placement within the typical desktop arrangement is also very inconvenient. And additionally when you see one in person they look like they're made out of cheap injection molded plastic. The one is the pic is nicer looking but is that real or CG? Anyway, I admire pictures of these cases but after seeing one in person I'd never consider having one.
Tesselator is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 25, 2013, 08:31 AM   #18
violst
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by Radiating View Post
Putting a MacPro in a pelican flight case is very annoying. You need a flight case which weighs 50 POUNDS for just the case itself which makes the whole arrangement just about the size of a dishwasher.
I don't think in the very rare occasion that someone humps a 50 pound Mac Pro through an airport is enough of a reason to justify making it smaller for those purposes. When I have to travel for work I either bring a loaded macbook pro or I arrange to have a Mac Pro at my destination. I think that works a little better Then asking apple to handicap the expandability and flexibility of the form factor so it can fit in your carry on?

I also believe most people would be more then happy keeping the current form factor and Apple just updating it with ivy bridge Xeon's, USB3, TB, SATA6G and better GPU options. I would even take sandy bridge if I could get 'em.

Quote:
It's stylish for sure. Have you seen one in person? What a total waste of space! Those things are monstrous! And mostly just inconvenient in every way. Component access is inconvenient compared to conventional standards and arrangement/placement within the typical desktop arrangement is also very inconvenient. And additionally when you see one in person they look like they're made out of cheap injection molded plastic. The one is the pic is nicer looking but is that real or CG? Anyway, I admire pictures of these cases but after seeing one in person I'd never consider having one..
I agree with Tesselator on this one. I think this design would look good if we lived in the world of TRONŽ
__________________
2013 nMP 8-core 3.0, 64GB Ram, 256GB SSD, 6TB Raid, 8TB NAS backup, D500's
2012 15" cMBP core i7 2.7, 16GB Ram, 500GB SSD, 1TB HDD, GT 650M 1GB
violst is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 25, 2013, 08:37 AM   #19
GermanyChris
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tesselator View Post
It's stylish for sure. Have you seen one in person? What a total waste of space! Those things are monstrous! And mostly just inconvenient in every way. Component access is inconvenient compared to conventional standards and arrangement/placement within the typical desktop arrangement is also very inconvenient. And additionally when you see one in person they look like they're made out of cheap injection molded plastic. The one is the pic is nicer looking but is that real or CG? Anyway, I admire pictures of these cases but after seeing one in person I'd never consider having one.
They sold out silly fast then started going for silly money after that..
GermanyChris is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 25, 2013, 08:51 AM   #20
Lesser Evets
macrumors 68030
 
Lesser Evets's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by Radiating View Post
What are the chances that Apple will release a smaller Mac Pro this year, which is a better alternative to the Mac Mini?
As awesome as "modular" systems seem, as wonderful as a tiny MacPro base would be, as awesome as all expectations tend to become...

This is Apple.

You can expect a 25% reduction in volume, a similar design, and better processors/USB3/FW/etc. Don't go for much more: it probably won't arrive.

They could easily crop down the space in these monsters and compress a lot of hardware inside. They might even cut off the digital bays completely. If Apple goes with some design which is super-futuristic-wonder-crazy, I'd be shocked. On one hand it would boost sales through fashion geekiness, on the other hand it probably costs too much to redesign a fading computer platform (the Pro tower).
__________________
2x1.86 BSEL Pro 1,1; 5770; 16GB RAM
Lesser Evets is online now   0 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 25, 2013, 10:24 AM   #21
handsome pete
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by Radiating View Post
Yeah I'm pretty sure there are scenarios where you need the horsepower of a Mac Pro and small size. Say for example oh I don't know, editing movies and need to travel with equipment.
Now talk about a niche market.


Films are rarely edited on location. Any editing that needs to be done on location is likely perfectly suitable for a Macbook Pro (or other high end laptop).

And in the rare instance of needing the horsepower of a full workstation, then you're probably better off just shipping it to your destination.

Simply put, these occurrences aren't numerous enough for Apple to warrant shrinking the Mac Pro
handsome pete is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 25, 2013, 10:45 AM   #22
mslide
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Quote:
Originally Posted by Radiating View Post
Imagine this, except as a Mac Pro.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. The types of people who use Mac Pros don't care how big/small the case is and how 'shiny' it is. All they care about is that it's big enough to hold all the stuff they need to put inside it. IMO, the current Mac Pro case could be considered too small.

This whole modular case idea is trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist..
mslide is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 25, 2013, 10:47 AM   #23
Tesselator
macrumors 601
 
Tesselator's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Japan
^^ I use MacPro (and other workstations) and I care how big/small the case is and how 'shiny' it is. Styling is actually a fairly large client draw for many kinds of companies.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lesser Evets View Post
If Apple goes with some design which is super-futuristic-wonder-crazy, I'd be shocked.
I wouldn't be. Apple has a record of doing just that every 4 to 8 years or so. While that's not consistent or frequent enough to make predictions it wouldn't shock me.

Just look at the history. While everyone was making desktop PC XT boxes or all-in-one computer under keyboards Apple released the Mac Classic. Then there were the egg shaped candy plastic iMac models. And wasn't Apple the first to commercialize the all-in-one computer in an LCD profile? The MacPro design itself was pretty wild when it first released.

So no, it wouldn't shock me or anything. I'm actually half expecting it.



With some trepidation naturally... They don't always get theses things right of course:






.

Last edited by Tesselator; Mar 25, 2013 at 01:38 PM.
Tesselator is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 25, 2013, 11:05 AM   #24
deconstruct60
macrumors 603
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by violst View Post
I I think its just the opposite they can make it a little bit smaller to be 3U rack mountable as long as they don't compromise its expandability. It would make the Pro user base happy and give an IT manager a more usable/appealing Mac server solution.
The Mac Pro's "mount"/"rackable" problem is not the "U" height ( width in vertical orientation). The issue is the "mount"/"rack" width ( height in normal orientation. ). The gratuitous additional height added by the handles are the primary blocking issue to mounting.

3-5U isn't that big of a deal in the context of mounting vertically in a rack in largely wasting 7U worth of space or going to wider ( limited telecom) rack widths.

Apple could adjust the design to keep the same volume, but be deeper to offset taking a little over a couple of inches off the height.

For a device that normal orientation is vertical going thin, but still primarily focused on accepting a broad variety of PCI-e cards, doesn't really buy much.
deconstruct60 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 25, 2013, 11:06 AM   #25
LorenK
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Illinois
I don't understand why anyone would be asking for a smaller Mac Pro. Have you opened one up and tried to work on the insides. Everything is arranged for reasonably easy access, so it designed with that access in mind. So why would you want to cram in everything in a tighter space, to make it harder to replace components yourself, to limit airflow the drives, PCIe cards, processors and memory all burn out faster? The whole point of Mac to me is that it works. For me, the Mac Pro works and I want it to stay that way.

Not to say that changing things up is a bad idea, but let's be sure that it is a design improvement and not just change for change sake.
LorenK is offline   0 Reply With Quote

Reply
MacRumors Forums > Apple Hardware > Desktops > Mac Pro

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Similar Threads
thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Any real chance of a true Air refresh this year ? Deagon MacBook Air 15 May 16, 2014 02:35 AM
Any chance we see a smaller Thunderbolt display from Apple? GooberMan Mac Peripherals 12 Feb 25, 2014 06:28 AM
Any Chance we get 4k iMac this year? chongsen iMac 11 Feb 4, 2014 02:37 PM
Mac Pro: How many year you can do with? Caithsith Mac Pro 13 Jan 10, 2014 07:27 PM
The new Mac Pro is smaller than you think Tulani Mac Pro 17 Dec 26, 2013 02:00 PM

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:59 AM.

Mac Rumors | Mac | iPhone | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Mobile Version | Fixed | Fluid | Fluid HD
Copyright 2002-2013, MacRumors.com, LLC