Mac OS X 10.5 Details?

[MacRumors]

MacOSXRumors claims to have some early details on Mac OS X 10.5 (aka Leopard).

According to their sources, Leopard will feature an updated Finder code named "Chardonnay" which will have extensive use of Spotlight alongside an improved user interface and performance improvement.

The interface is reported to improve user browsing by different criteria, much like how users browse music in iTunes.

[dylan]

Sounds good. Finder, as is, is pretty unnecessary.

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

Originally Posted by dylan

Sounds good. Finder, as is, is pretty unnecessary.

I wouldn't call it unnecessary...

However, compared to the Explorer of Windows, it's much less user friendly.

I love folders - what can I say, I think the virtual folder idea is completely pointless...

Even saving files on my Mac is sometimes difficult (choosing where to save them, that is...)

[ryanw]

Originally Posted by AvSRoCkCO1067

I wouldn't call it unnecessary...

However, compared to the Explorer of Windows, it's much less user friendly.

I love folders - what can I say, I think the virtual folder idea is completely pointless...

Even saving files on my Mac is sometimes difficult (choosing where to save them, that is...)

The file saving API is pretty nasty. Most new users don't seem to get it. They end up having files all over the place. Good thing there's Spotlight or else they would never find anything.

[mdavey]

Originally Posted by ryanw

The file saving API is pretty nasty.

I hear you. What is needed is a RISC OS like drag and drop file save feature. Even better if you can 'save' a file directly into another application like you can with RISC OS.

Originally Posted by ryanw

[O]ver the years I have noticed that Apple "holds back" features because they don't "think" anyone should do that. Apple controls things VERY heavily. Sure, that's great for the non-power user, but why not allow a power user to go in and enable more features that are 'hidden'. Instead I find myself finding tons of 3rd party apps to do stuff that apple didn't want us doing.

I couldn't agree more. It is pretty arrogant to refuse to provide a standard mechanism for skinning the OS. It annoys me that Apple don't provide a virtual desktop switcher.

Originally Posted by ryanw

Package Management systems have been around in unix systems for years and years. Apple decided it was too hard to make a good one, so they ignored it all together.

Package management systems are stupid - they never work perfectly. Apple has the right idea with making applications be special self-contained directories, they just need to fix the few boundary cases that are broken.

Take a look at Zero-Install for where Apple should be heading with this.

[sjk]

Originally Posted by mdavey

Package management systems are stupid - they never work perfectly. Apple has the right idea with making applications be special self-contained directories, they just need to fix the few boundary cases that are broken.

Take a look at Zero-Install for where Apple should be heading with this.

Thanks for the link. Looks like an implementation of the quarantine idea I pondered and questioned (within a limited context of viruses) in a post here a couple months ago.

Looks like we're agreeing something like this could ultimately be more worthwhile for Apple to implement than a traditional (and inevitably flawed) package management system.

[Flying Llama]

Well, here is a program that will look in your /Library/Receipts folder, list all packages installed, and will reverse whatever the installer did.

Here is a program called Desinstaller.

Note: It will only work with apps installed using apple's installer, so this would apply to you. Uninstall iWork, then reinstall it. THERE!

llama

[mm2005]

Originally Posted by dylan

Sounds good. Finder, as is, is pretty unnecessary.

Care to elaborate? Do you think folders are unnecessary too, or?

BTW - does anyone know of 'insider blogs' from Apple, especially from their design teams? Lots of Microsoft employees have set up blogs including the Office 12 design lead Jensen Harris.

[mdavey]

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[Mr. Mister]

Originally Posted by dylan

Sounds good. Finder, as is, is pretty unnecessary.

Although people sound really cool and jaded saying that, and Finder could use some improvement, I kinda like being able to create folders, delete files, burn CDs, duplicate files, connect to my iDisk, use Icon View, and move my documents around, dunno about you.

[notjustjay]

Any pictures?

[Platform]

Originally Posted by notjustjay

Any pictures?

WWDC....but I hope we get a peek before

[Mass Hysteria]

Originally Posted by notjustjay

Any pictures?

hur hur! - you want the latest pics?

[funkychunkz]

I say whenever we think of something that would improve apple stuff, send them a letter/feedback about it. You'd think they'd listen. I could keep long lists of all the problems and such with apple software, although I'm still completely in love with it.

[ryanw]

How about a freaking package removal tool? A TON of apps are being installed with packages these days, and there is no way to remove them without some 3rd party hack or riskscrewing everything up.

How can OSX Claim to be the most advanced Operating System with simple things such as 'uninstallation of applications' missing? Come on!! PLEASE???

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

Originally Posted by ryanw

How about a freaking package removal tool? A TON of apps are being installed with packages these days, and there is no way to remove them without some 3rd party hack or riskscrewing everything up.

How can OSX Claim to be the most advanced Operating System with simple things such as 'uninstallation of applications' missing? Come on!! PLEASE???

TRUE THAT!

I removed iWork when I purchased my Mac cuz I didn't need it - now I want it, but it won't let me load it because it says that one or more 'files associated with iWork' remain on my computer....

Spotlight can't find them...Apple store had no idea what to do....

[ryanw]

Originally Posted by AvSRoCkCO1067

TRUE THAT!

I removed iWork when I purchased my Mac cuz I didn't need it - now I want it, but it won't let me load it because it says that one or more 'files associated with iWork' remain on my computer....

Spotlight can't find them...Apple store had no idea what to do....

Early last month I stumbled across this app. It doesn't really cleanup everything perfect, but works good enough to make the OS think it's not installed any more. SO you could reinstall packages. (Thank goodness)
http://www.osxgnu.org/software/pkgde...project_id=244

But still, apple needs to fix this immediately.

[iMeowbot]

Originally Posted by AvSRoCkCO1067

I removed iWork when I purchased my Mac cuz I didn't need it - now I want it, but it won't let me load it because it says that one or more 'files associated with iWork' remain on my computer....

If you remove the iWork, Pages, Keynote stuff from /Library/Receipts it will let you reinstall. This one has got quite a few people who tried to remove preloaded demos and then decided to buy later.

[i_am_a_cow]

Originally Posted by AvSRoCkCO1067

TRUE THAT!

I removed iWork when I purchased my Mac cuz I didn't need it - now I want it, but it won't let me load it because it says that one or more 'files associated with iWork' remain on my computer....

Spotlight can't find them...Apple store had no idea what to do....

You need to take iWork's receipt packages out of your receipt folder!!! It's in the Library folder.

If anyone wants OS X to be more task based then I would like to punch them. Similarly, if Apple makes OS X more task based I will probably slit my throat.

And another thing, Spotlight doesn't find everything and it pisses me off. I have had experiences where I know a file is there and spotlight can't find it. I will copy text directly out of a file and it won't show up in spotlight.

[starnox]

Originally Posted by AvSRoCkCO1067

TRUE THAT!

I removed iWork when I purchased my Mac cuz I didn't need it - now I want it, but it won't let me load it because it says that one or more 'files associated with iWork' remain on my computer....

Spotlight can't find them...Apple store had no idea what to do....

Make sure you do a spotlight search in Finder and not the one in the menu bar. And search through your computer in the options. This will locate EVERY iWork file.

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

Originally Posted by starnox

Make sure you do a spotlight search in Finder and not the one in the menu bar. And search through your computer in the options. This will locate EVERY iWork file.

Thanks, I fixed it...

Although unfortunately you're wrong - it didn't find every file...

Chris

[MrCrowbar]

Well here's something for you complaining about the finder:



I'm in close contact with the guy programming this. He thinks he will be done on february for the PPC-Version. The intel would come out about one month later. Dont visit his homepage too often, else the site wont display due to too much traffic. Besides, there's barely more than the screenshot there.
http://www.filerun.info/

[zv470]

Originally Posted by ryanw

How about a freaking package removal tool? A TON of apps are being installed with packages these days, and there is no way to remove them without some 3rd party hack or riskscrewing everything up.

How can OSX Claim to be the most advanced Operating System with simple things such as 'uninstallation of applications' missing? Come on!! PLEASE???

Just delete the application icon (which is a folder containing everything) and delete the related directories in "~/Library/Application Support/".

There is only a small number of apps that leave files in different places. eg: Nortons

I just wouldn't worry too much about it.

[ryanw]

Originally Posted by zv470

Just delete the application icon (which is a folder containing everything) and delete the related directories in "~/Library/Application Support/".

There is only a small number of apps that leave files in different places. eg: Nortons

I just wouldn't worry too much about it.

Sorry bro, but you don't even understand the problem at all.. Think about this. Lets say you install iTunes update 6.0.1 PACKAGE. How do you uninstall the update? Or something even more trivial, lets say you install iDVD and all the suplimentals. How do you remove it? Ok, so lets say you just drag everything into the trash.. OK, that's fine.. but then over time your OS will still want you to get iDVD updates because it thinks it's still installed and ONTOP of that if you DO want iDVD installed, when you goto install it off the disks, it thinks you already have it installed so it won't let you.

That is the problem... There is no 'simple solution'.

[mad jew]

ryanw, that's not normal. How exactly do you delete apps because it shouldn't be doing that.