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Old Apr 4, 2013, 02:10 AM   #1
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Do you want AT&T, Verizon and Sprint to adopt T-Mobile uncarrier strategy?

T-Mobile Uncarrier strategy is simple

1) Pay for the phone upfront or in monthly installments (paying for the HDTV)
2) Pay for the service (paying for the cable/satellite bill)


Here's T-Mobile Service Prices. AT&T, Verizon, Sprint service price will be different if they adopt uncarrier strategy. This just to give you an example of what it would look like:



Line 1: $50 -------------(unlimited talk, unlimited text, 500MB of 4G speed)
Line 2: +$30 --------------(unlimited talk, unlimited text, 500MB of 4G speed)
Line 3: +$10---------------(unlimited talk, unlimited text, 500MB of 4G speed)
Line 4: +$10---------------(unlimited talk, unlimited text, 500MB of 4G speed)
Line 5: + $10--------------(unlimited talk, unlimited text, 500MB of 4G speed)



$10 upgrade for extra 2GB at 4G speed
$20 upgrade for unlimited at 4G speed
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Old Apr 4, 2013, 02:20 AM   #2
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Yes.

I don't think customers should continue paying a subsidy after it has already been payed off.
So basically you over pay them, or get locked into another contract. Win-win for them.

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Old Apr 4, 2013, 10:40 AM   #3
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So long as I don't end up paying MORE over two years than I do now, I would be happy with it. If they go "uncarrier", it would also be nice to just get the phone unlocked from the getgo (AT&T).
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Old Apr 4, 2013, 10:45 AM   #4
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For the people voting "No", it'd be cool to hear the reasoning behind that choice.
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Old Apr 4, 2013, 12:17 PM   #5
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I voted no, and maybe I just don't understand it all the way but I don't like the idea of paying more for the phone, and a 2 year contract really doesn't bother me. With the current setup with Verizon I can get the new iPhone each year and ebay my old one for close to the price of my new one due to the high price of a non-contract phone. Either way I'm paying each month for service so I just feel the Verizon system works for me. However, like I said maybe I just don't understand this new TMobile plan all the way.
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Old Apr 4, 2013, 12:22 PM   #6
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I voted no, and maybe I just don't understand it all the way but I don't like the idea of paying more for the phone, and a 2 year contract really doesn't bother me. With the current setup with Verizon I can get the new iPhone each year and ebay my old one for close to the price of my new one due to the high price of a non-contract phone. Either way I'm paying each month for service so I just feel the Verizon system works for me. However, like I said maybe I just don't understand this new TMobile plan all the way.
It's basically the same, except if you chose not to get a new phone yearly, your monthly rate goes down. Really what this plan does is give you slightly more freedom in not feeling like you have to upgrade every chance you get in order to get your money's worth.
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Old Apr 4, 2013, 12:25 PM   #7
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It's basically the same, except if you chose not to get a new phone yearly, your monthly rate goes down. Really what this plan does is give you slightly more freedom in not feeling like you have to upgrade every chance you get in order to get your money's worth.
Interesting. Lol, I don't do it because I feel I must to get my moneys worth, I do it because of my disorder of needing new shiny things

It will never happen, but it would be cool if after your two year contract is up and your subsidized phone is paid for your monthly rate goes down. I think US Cellular does something similar to this with their customer loyalty program, but they don't have the iPhone.
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Old Apr 4, 2013, 01:18 PM   #8
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The obvious answer for me is a resounding yes. If T-Mobile didn't have horrible coverage in my area and I didn't just renew my contract with AT&T, I would probably consider switching. It's pretty disgusting to think about the amount of money we overpay these wireless carriers.
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Old Apr 4, 2013, 01:38 PM   #9
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Do you want AT&T, Verizon and Sprint to adopt T-Mobile uncarrier strategy?
Want? Of course -- who doesn't want to pay less for service? Will they? Unlikely for at&t & VZW since TMO isn't in the same tier. Sprint might.
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Old Apr 4, 2013, 01:57 PM   #10
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Interesting. Lol, I don't do it because I feel I must to get my moneys worth, I do it because of my disorder of needing new shiny things
My feelings exactly. Using history as an example, I'd have to be holding onto my iPhone 3GS now to be at the point where I'd no longer be paying T-Mobile for the phone (assuming I decided to pay the monthly phone financing fee).

With Apple coming out with new phones every year, I couldn't see myself today thinking my 3GS was such a hot deal when everyone else has shiny new iPhone 5's.

I'm quite the opposite. I'd be willing to pay a slightly higher rate if I could reduce the eligibility period for a new phone (versus paying early termination fees).
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Old Apr 4, 2013, 02:10 PM   #11
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The obvious answer for me is a resounding yes. If T-Mobile didn't have horrible coverage in my area and I didn't just renew my contract with AT&T, I would probably consider switching. It's pretty disgusting to think about the amount of money we overpay these wireless carriers.
while we may be overpaying, you do somewhat pay for what you get. AT&T and Verizon have a much greater build-out of towers as well as more spatial coverage of faster data speeds. yes, T-Mobile is fantastic in the heart of downtown of a large city, but abysmal outside of it... I'd rather pay more to get faster data everywhere I go.

to the OP, yes, it would be great if AT&T (or Verizon) did this, but I don't think it will happen, at least not at the same price point as T-Mobile (again, you pay for what you get). For me (like the other poster here), I upgrade my phone far too often to really see the benefit plus I get a 25% discount on AT&T through my employer.

I think the real benefit is to those people who only upgrade their phones once every 2-3 years (or longer) and live/work/play/only stay in large cities.
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Old Apr 4, 2013, 02:18 PM   #12
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Wow, there seems to be some huge misunderstanding. EVERYONE should be saying yes to this question.

For those of you say no, I'm respectfully telling you that you don't fully understand it. Here is why

AT&T: I sign up for 2 year contract get new shiny iPhone for $200. I pay $Z a month for 2 years, no questions asked. When 2 years is up, I'm told I should probably resign for a new shiny iPhone for another 2 years.

T-Mobile: I sign up for a plan for $X, NO contract. I tell them I want shiny new iPhone with that no contract plan, they say no prob. They tell me I pay $100 up front for iPhone and that on top of $X, I also be paying $Y for the phone (which you can pay off at anytime). So right now I see how much my plan is costing me, and how much my phone is. After 2 years, I've paid for the phone. Rinse repeat.

The Difference: With AT&T I don't know how much is going to the iPhone a month, therefore I don't know how much my plan ACTUALLY costs me. When 2 years are up, if I decide to NOT upgrade, I'm still charged the same amount even while I was supposedly paying off the phone w/ AT&T. WHY? Lets keep going. Not only are T-Mobiles plans cheaper with an attached phone payment, the iPhone itself is cheaper... $75 cheaper than you even get from the Apple Store. Did I mention, NO CONTRACT. Also, numerous calculations show you will at least be saving $600 over 2 years. Unless you wipe your butt with dollar bills, $600 is a bit of cash. Let's not get into "but they're only in 7 cities with LTE"... the other carriers use much different standards for what city coverage means with LTE. T-Mobile says ENTIRE city.

So with all this in mind, you have to take into consideration coverage. Places will have different coverage so you might not even have real options. But if you do the math, you'll always come out better with T-Mobile. Heck, even if I don't stay with T-Mobile in the future, I know I'll sure as heck go to their stores to buy an iPhone (which gets unlocked right there when purchased in full) since it'll be $75 cheaper than an Apple store.
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Old Apr 4, 2013, 02:22 PM   #13
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I'd only want this if we would be paying less by doing it.


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The Difference: With AT&T I don't know how much is going to the iPhone a month, therefore I don't know how much my plan ACTUALLY costs me.
Would this be an educated guess as to how much of your plan goes towards the iPhone?

iPhone 5, 16GB
$649 = retail price
$199 = AT&T subsidized price (when signing a two-year contract)

$450 spread over a 24-month contract is $18.75/month
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Old Apr 4, 2013, 03:06 PM   #15
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The AT&T and Verizon approach to this model would be to first raise all rates by 30%, then eliminate the subsidy, reduce the monthly cost of your plan by 20% if you pay for your smartphone outright and then offer a monthly payment plan (with interest) for those who can't pay up front the phone.
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Old Apr 4, 2013, 04:11 PM   #16
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DUH!

But will they? NO!
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For the people voting "No", it'd be cool to hear the reasoning behind that choice.
It costs more in the long run
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Old Apr 4, 2013, 04:39 PM   #18
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Just to cut the confusion unlimited talk and text should be a industry standard. Then one should have the choice to be on a contract or not. Tmobile's no contract was a extreme bold move. if this works out then you will see sprint, verzion and AT&T follow.
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while we may be overpaying, you do somewhat pay for what you get. AT&T and Verizon have a much greater build-out of towers as well as more spatial coverage of faster data speeds. yes, T-Mobile is fantastic in the heart of downtown of a large city, but abysmal outside of it... I'd rather pay more to get faster data everywhere I go.
SOmeone was saying that TMO has unlimited AT&T roaming for seven years, on another thread, due to their failed acquisition deal. I am not sure if that is accurate. I do notice that TMO advertises "unlimited data while on TMO network", so that may mean texts and calls roaming on AT&T are free but data is throttled or unusable. Not sure. Depending on the validity of the statement, and depending what that means for data, it COULD be good.
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SOmeone was saying that TMO has unlimited AT&T roaming for seven years, on another thread, due to their failed acquisition deal. I am not sure if that is accurate. I do notice that TMO advertises "unlimited data while on TMO network", so that may mean texts and calls roaming on AT&T are free but data is throttled or unusable. Not sure. Depending on the validity of the statement, and depending what that means for data, it COULD be good.
EDIT I linked an old article. I saw 4/4/2013 on there but that must have been something else... facepalm
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EDIT old article. I saw 4/4/2013 on there but that must have been something else... facepalm
That's a different agreement. The new agreement is on 850mhz 2G and 3G.
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It costs more in the long run
How? A verizon/AT&T monthly plan runs more than Tmobile's by far, and that's including the installment method of paying for your smartphone.

It doesn't cost more.
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I voted no too.

I do not like the idea of spending $600 on a phone out right. And it's not because I don't have the money, it's just because I could have easily paid for five AT&T payments with that $400. I could also be buying my groceries, a few pieces of clothes, or many other things with that money.

For $20 less, you get 500MB of 4G which then turns into EDGE speeds. How is that attractive exactly - Especially when we're in a world that likes to stream heavily on the go? My $60/mo hotspot from them at least turned to 3G after 2GB.
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Yes.

I don't think customers should continue paying a subsidy after it has already been payed off.
So basically you over pay them, or get locked into another contract. Win-win for them.

My thoughts exactly.
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How? A verizon/AT&T monthly plan runs more than Tmobile's by far, and that's including the installment method of paying for your smartphone.

It doesn't cost more.
How? Basic math...
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