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Old Apr 17, 2013, 04:37 PM   #1
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Background check compromise fails in the Senate

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In blow to gun control backers, background check compromise falls 6 votes short

Despite an impassioned push by President Barack Obama and an emotional lobbying effort by the families of mass shooting victims, proponents of a compromise measure to expand gun background checks on Wednesday fell six votes short of passage in the Senate.

The vote on the amendment was 54 to 46. Sixty votes were needed for the amendment to be adopted.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein pushes for an assault weapons ban in the U.S. while speaking on the Senate floor Wednesday.

The deal was the result of a deal struck between Republican Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania and Democrat Joe Manchin of West Virginia. It would have extended existing background check rules to gun sales made online and at gun shows.

As the bill was defeated, Patricia Maisch -- a survivor of the Tuscon shooting that targeted former congresswoman Gabby Giffords -- yelled "Shame on you!" from the Senate gallery.

After the vote, Maisch said outside the chamber that she screamed when she realized the amendment had been defeated.

"They need to be ashamed of themselves," she said. "I think the ones who voted no ... they have no soul. They have no compassion for the experiences that people have lived through, gun violence, who have had a child or a loved one murdered."
I think Ms. Maisch put it quite well. Shame on them. This is an embarrassment to the United States. Even children being gunned down doesn't move these bastards.

I'd love to see each senator who voted against this go to the parents and explain face-to-face why their NRA grade is more important to them than those dead children.
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Old Apr 17, 2013, 04:47 PM   #2
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Rapidly loosing my faith in Humanity and common sense on capital hill.
Way to blow it boys. Simple laws can not get passed but other that protect capitalism go thru. Pissed off gun owner here.
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Old Apr 17, 2013, 04:49 PM   #3
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I'm watching the press conference as we speak.

I haven't really been following this as much as I was a few months ago, so this is a serious question: Why would anyone be against expanding background checks? How would it negatively effect an honest, law abiding citizen?
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Old Apr 17, 2013, 04:50 PM   #4
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what astoundingly stupid is why the majority is not sufficient to pass this.
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Old Apr 17, 2013, 04:51 PM   #5
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I'm watching the press conference as we speak.

I haven't really been following this as much as I was a few months ago, so this is a serious question: Why would anyone be against expanding background checks? How would it negatively effect an honest, law abiding citizen?
Opponents say it will lead to a national registry of who owns guns which will then allow the government to one day confiscate them violating their 2nd amendment rights....
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Old Apr 17, 2013, 04:51 PM   #6
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Gotta love when majority rule is actually run by a minority.

Obama is pissed.. and good. **** these senators. Remember when being a senator was considered to be a position of honor?
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Old Apr 17, 2013, 04:54 PM   #7
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Why would anyone be against expanding background checks? How would it negatively effect an honest, law abiding citizen?
It was even watered down, for god's sake. There was to be no national gun database.
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Gotta love when majority rule is actually run by a minority.

Obama is pissed.. and good. **** these senators. Remember when being a senator was considered to be a position of honor?
Another example of how our government doesn't care what the majority of American's want. They don't represent us in the least.

It's sincerely time (though I know it's never going to happen) to limit these guys/gals to 1 or 2 terms. What's the point of having representatives if they aren't actually representing us?
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Opponents say it will lead to a national registry of who owns guns which will then allow the government to one day confiscate them violating their 2nd amendment rights....

Despite the fact that the Toomey bill specifically makes that illegal.
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Old Apr 17, 2013, 04:58 PM   #10
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Obama is really giving it to the people that shot this down.

Vote the jerks out.
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Old Apr 17, 2013, 04:59 PM   #11
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Another example of how our government doesn't care what the majority of American's want. They don't represent us in the least.

It's sincerely time (though I know it's never going to happen) to limit these guys/gals to 1 or 2 terms. What's the point of having representatives if they aren't actually representing us?
The 41 senators who voted against this bill are cowards. They are the lowest of the low and don't even deserve to call themselves Americans. Way to let corporate interests take over and not do your job representing the people.

Maybe it's about time we get rid of Congress altogether and just make a website where the people can vote. We have the technology now.. lets go back to real democracy.
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It was even watered down, for god's sake. There was to be no national gun database.
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Obama is really giving it to the people that shot this down.

Vote the jerks out.
Maybe this is a good thing. Maybe next election, people will remember, vote in more Dems and get a non-watered down bill passed.
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Old Apr 17, 2013, 05:00 PM   #13
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what astoundingly stupid is why the majority is not sufficient to pass this.
The Republicans did some procedural thing (don't know what it's called) which caused it to need 60 to pass rather than a simple majority.
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I guess we haven't had enough people die yet for some people to get common sense...
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Despite the fact that the Toomey bill specifically makes that illegal.
This country runs on the slippery slope argument.
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Old Apr 17, 2013, 05:03 PM   #16
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A lot of the states in the US are gun friendly, I think that's what many were doing. Protecting their butt's.
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The Republicans did some procedural thing (don't know what it's called) which caused it to need 60 to pass rather than a simple majority.
It's called being a dick or the filibuster.
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WTF? Reid was a no?
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91% of Americans want it. 46% of the Senate doesn't.

Disgusting is the only word.

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WTF? Reid was a no?
Probably because of some obscure rule that will allow it to be brought back onto the floor for debate or something like that. He does have a gun-friendly voting record, so maybe it was a true no.
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Maybe it's about time we get rid of Congress altogether and just make a website where the people can vote. We have the technology now.. lets go back to real democracy.
And just delete the whole constitution to accomplish that little change?
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Reid voted no?

This poll might explain some butt covering:

http://ap-gfkpoll.com/featured/our-l...ll-findings-22

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Perhaps helping explain Democrats’ problems, an AP-GfK poll this month showed that 49 percent of Americans support stricter gun laws. That was down from 58 percent who said so in January — a month after the December killings of 20 children and six aides at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school propelled gun violence into a national issue.
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WTF? Reid was a no?
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*Note: Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) supported the legislation, but he voted against it for procedural reasons, in order to preserve the right to bring the measure back up.
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And just delete the whole constitution to accomplish that little change?
The Constitution is doing a pretty solid job of consistently failing us lately. I wouldn't throw the thing out but it could surely use some changes.
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91% of Americans want it. 46% of the Senate doesn't.
The other issue is that is a national poll..... How do people in the states( that tend to vote....) feel about it?
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