Go Back   MacRumors Forums > Mac Community > Community Discussion > Politics, Religion, Social Issues

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Apr 25, 2013, 09:07 AM   #1
chagla
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Factory collapses, 200+ dead

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22289362

Quote:
...Bangladeshi rescuers desperately search for survivors after a building housing garment factories collapsed in Dhaka, killing more than 200 people....


Not sure if this made it on any US newspaper. i was baffled when i saw less than one quarter of a page is dedicated for "world news" in 60+ pages daily newspapers. usually 30 pages of sports news, 20 pages entertainment,...

anyways.

it's quite convenient for western big companies to denounce Bangladesh Garment industry evertime there is a
tragedy such as this. they will shed some crocodile tears, cry about work ethics, standards, safety and blah blah blah but one thing they
won't do is pay few cents more to Bangladesh. instead they will take their business to another poor country for
cheap labor. i also blame Bangladeshi garment factory owners, they are greedy as well and they put profit above
everything. the victim is always the poor and this time they paid with their lives.
__________________
Really cool Android apps: <> gesture search <> airdroid <> drivedroid <> unified remote <> swype <> mightytext <>
Highly useful/enhance your Android experience.
chagla is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Apr 25, 2013, 09:25 AM   #2
Huntn
macrumors 604
 
Huntn's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: The Misty Mountains
Typical Western alarm: "You mean my jeans might cost $5 more??"
__________________
The modern business ethos: "I'm worth it, you're not, and I'm a glutton!"
MBP, 2.2 GHz intel i7, Radeon HD 6750M, Bootcamp: W7.
PC: i5 4670k, 8GB RAM, Asus GTX670 (2GB VRAM), W7.
Huntn is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Apr 25, 2013, 09:38 AM   #3
Peterkro
macrumors 68020
 
Peterkro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Communard de Londres
It's been more widely reported in Europe not least because of some U.K. clothes retailers had contracts with some of the companies:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...pse-shops-west
Peterkro is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Apr 25, 2013, 09:51 AM   #4
jeremy h
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: UK
Yes, as Peterkro says it's big headline news here... I think it's making us all feel pretty awkward and uncomfortable in our cheap clothes.
jeremy h is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Apr 25, 2013, 10:23 AM   #5
Happybunny
macrumors 68000
 
Happybunny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: 's-Hertogenbosch Netherlands
Dodental Bangladesh zeker 145



Het dodental in Bangladesh, waar een gebouw van acht verdiepingen is ingestort, is opgelopen tot zeker 145. Er zijn zeker duizend gewonden.

De hele nacht is door reddingswerkers gezocht naar overlevenden. Ze denken dat er nog veel mensen vast zitten onder het puin en dat er in de loop van de dag een duidelijker beeld van de situatie is.

De lichamen van ruim 100 doden zijn overgedragen aan hun families.

2000 mensen
In het gebouw in een voorstad van de hoofdstad Dhaka zaten onder meer een kledingfabriek, een bank en enkele winkels. Volgens de brandweer waren er zo'n 2000 mensen in het pand toen het instortte.

De eigenaar van het gebouw wordt voor nalatigheid aangeklaagd.

Volgens een website werden in de kledingfabriek kleren gemaakt voor onder meer Libra in Nederland en C&A in Duitsland.

http://nos.nl/artikel/499422-dodenta...zeker-145.html

Yes it made the news here because as pointed out by other posters the factory made clothes for the European market.
__________________
'You cannot undo history, but you can learn from it'
Happybunny is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Apr 25, 2013, 05:38 PM   #6
Tomorrow
macrumors 603
 
Tomorrow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Always a day away
Very sad.
__________________
I would scream just to be heard, as if yelling at the stars - I was bleeding just to feel.
You would never say a word, kept me reaching in the dark - always something to conceal.
Tomorrow is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Apr 27, 2013, 04:51 PM   #7
Eraserhead
macrumors G4
 
Eraserhead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: UK
To me it looks like progress is being made with arrests and stuff. Good for Bangladesh .

Obviously the incident itself is very sad .
__________________
Actually it does make sense. Man created god, so if we exist, He exists. - obeygiant
Eraserhead is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Apr 29, 2013, 12:30 PM   #8
jnpy!$4g3cwk
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremy h View Post
Yes, as Peterkro says it's big headline news here... I think it's making us all feel pretty awkward and uncomfortable in our cheap clothes.
I hope that some real movement will be made pushing the clothing manufacturers to enforce safety. It won't do to boycott Bangladesh and buy Pakistani, or, vice versa. These companies buy from anywhere they can save a percent on cost. Unfortunately, only bad publicity seems to matter.
jnpy!$4g3cwk is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Apr 30, 2013, 12:41 AM   #9
stevensr123
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by Happybunny View Post
Dodental Bangladesh zeker 145



Het dodental in Bangladesh, waar een gebouw van acht verdiepingen is ingestort, is opgelopen tot zeker 145. Er zijn zeker duizend gewonden.

De hele nacht is door reddingswerkers gezocht naar overlevenden. Ze denken dat er nog veel mensen vast zitten onder het puin en dat er in de loop van de dag een duidelijker beeld van de situatie is.

De lichamen van ruim 100 doden zijn overgedragen aan hun families.

2000 mensen
In het gebouw in een voorstad van de hoofdstad Dhaka zaten onder meer een kledingfabriek, een bank en enkele winkels. Volgens de brandweer waren er zo'n 2000 mensen in het pand toen het instortte.

De eigenaar van het gebouw wordt voor nalatigheid aangeklaagd.

Volgens een website werden in de kledingfabriek kleren gemaakt voor onder meer Libra in Nederland en C&A in Duitsland.

http://nos.nl/artikel/499422-dodenta...zeker-145.html

Yes it made the news here because as pointed out by other posters the factory made clothes for the European market.
I read that Walmart is connect to the factory? They said they are looking into it at least because the company they go for uses some of the factories connected to the owners of this one.

Anyway it sure does tell you something about the western world doesn't it ie the amount of coverage.

Boston bombing: 2 people die, massive amount of coverage, sorrow outrage all over the western world/white world.

This incident: 200+ dead confirmed, many more hundreds missive, all because western companies want cheap labor for our cloths and goods. What sort of coverage? Back page news and a 2 minute bulletin.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a westerner and white if that even matters, but it's a bitter pill to swallow if you know what I mean.
stevensr123 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Apr 30, 2013, 01:51 AM   #10
Eraserhead
macrumors G4
 
Eraserhead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: UK
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevensr123 View Post
This incident: 200+ dead confirmed, many more hundreds missive, all because western companies want cheap labor for our cloths and goods. What sort of coverage? Back page news and a 2 minute bulletin.
There's been lots of coverage in the UK. It is still the top business story on the BBC.

Name:  Screen Shot 2013-04-30 at 07.06.42.png
Views: 145
Size:  36.0 KB
__________________
Actually it does make sense. Man created god, so if we exist, He exists. - obeygiant

Last edited by Eraserhead; Apr 30, 2013 at 02:08 AM.
Eraserhead is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Apr 30, 2013, 03:30 AM   #11
iMikeT
macrumors 68020
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: California
Clearly, this is why regulations are needed in the workplace and in the marketplace.

However, I'm sure all the Libertarians/CONservatives/Freemarketeers will say otherwise and say something boneheaded along the lines of "Bwhaaaaaa! Less government, less regulation!!!!! This is exactly how the free market will correct itself. You don't like factory collapses, buy from a different manufacturer, problem solved." To which I say, what about the 200+ people who died because there were no regulations? Spare me.
iMikeT is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Apr 30, 2013, 08:43 AM   #12
thekev
macrumors 603
 
thekev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by iMikeT View Post
Clearly, this is why regulations are needed in the workplace and in the marketplace.

However, I'm sure all the Libertarians/CONservatives/Freemarketeers will say otherwise and say something boneheaded along the lines of "Bwhaaaaaa! Less government, less regulation!!!!! This is exactly how the free market will correct itself. You don't like factory collapses, buy from a different manufacturer, problem solved." To which I say, what about the 200+ people who died because there were no regulations? Spare me.
Baiting them does not help.
__________________
world's largest manufacturer of tin foil hats, none of that aluminum foil crap.
thekev is online now   1 Reply With Quote
Old Apr 30, 2013, 09:20 AM   #13
Tomorrow
macrumors 603
 
Tomorrow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Always a day away
Quote:
Originally Posted by iMikeT View Post
Clearly, this is why regulations are needed in the workplace and in the marketplace.
I think this incident has less to do with markets and more to do with local building codes and inspectors (or lack thereof).
__________________
I would scream just to be heard, as if yelling at the stars - I was bleeding just to feel.
You would never say a word, kept me reaching in the dark - always something to conceal.
Tomorrow is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Apr 30, 2013, 11:45 AM   #14
Carouser
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomorrow View Post
I think this incident has less to do with markets and more to do with local building codes and inspectors (or lack thereof).
Local building codes and inspectors, before their implementation, are treated by industry as unnecessary red tape, a drain on efficiency and productivity, and an affront to the virtues of markets.

After the implementation of building codes and inspectors, industry states they approve of them, tolerates them when they have to, and tries to control, reduce, or eliminate them where possible.

If you want to defend codes and inspectors, then you are at some point going to have to discuss how much freedom 'markets' are given.
Carouser is offline   3 Reply With Quote
Old Apr 30, 2013, 12:13 PM   #15
Tomorrow
macrumors 603
 
Tomorrow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Always a day away
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carouser View Post
If you want to defend codes and inspectors, then you are at some point going to have to discuss how much freedom 'markets' are given.
Not in this case. The owner was cautioned not to let people into the building - by inspectors - but the building wasn't red tagged. Why not? The inspector was already on the job. Were there code violations? Was a routine inspection missed?

None of that has anything to do with whether the workers were paid a fair wage. I imagine other workers in different (non-crumbling) buildings aren't being paid any better. The market isn't to blame here.
__________________
I would scream just to be heard, as if yelling at the stars - I was bleeding just to feel.
You would never say a word, kept me reaching in the dark - always something to conceal.
Tomorrow is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Apr 30, 2013, 02:37 PM   #16
Carouser
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomorrow View Post
Not in this case. The owner was cautioned not to let people into the building - by inspectors - but the building wasn't red tagged. Why not? The inspector was already on the job. Were there code violations? Was a routine inspection missed?

None of that has anything to do with whether the workers were paid a fair wage. I imagine other workers in different (non-crumbling) buildings aren't being paid any better. The market isn't to blame here.
What? I'm talking about the relative balance of power here - between industry to pursue profit as their ultimate end (often at the expense of safety and fairness), and the power of other institutions (such as legal ones) to not only have standards, but to ensure they are enforced. The question of a fair wage is a non sequitur - markets involve more than wages, so I'm not sure what you're objecting to.

I have no idea how you can talk about a workplace accident, a place of ownership, management, and labour, and say you don't have to account for the market's role in this. People ran this factory and went there everyday because of a market. Do you think it is just an issue for structural engineers or something?
Carouser is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Apr 30, 2013, 03:05 PM   #17
Tomorrow
macrumors 603
 
Tomorrow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Always a day away
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carouser View Post
Do you think it is just an issue for structural engineers or something?
That, and safety standards which were either not on the books or not properly enforced.
__________________
I would scream just to be heard, as if yelling at the stars - I was bleeding just to feel.
You would never say a word, kept me reaching in the dark - always something to conceal.
Tomorrow is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Apr 30, 2013, 06:16 PM   #18
PracticalMac
macrumors 68020
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
What is really shocking is to see tragedies like this that happened in US and Europe 100~150 years ago happen in developing countries (also garment factory fire 2 months ago)

It is like reinventing the wheel with blood again.

Tragic
__________________
FireWire 1394 Intelligent network guaranteed data transfer, 1500mA power, Ethernet compatible
Read: 160 files, 650MB total, FW400 70% faster then USB2
Write: 160 files, 650MB total, FW400 48% faster
PracticalMac is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Apr 30, 2013, 06:41 PM   #19
skunk
macrumors Demi-God
 
skunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Republic of Ukistan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomorrow View Post
That, and safety standards which were either not on the books or not properly enforced.
That, and rampant cronyism.
__________________
"The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted the spoons." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
skunk is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Apr 30, 2013, 07:47 PM   #20
iMikeT
macrumors 68020
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: California
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomorrow View Post
That, and safety standards which were either not on the books or not properly enforced.

So in order for these safety standards to be enforced, there needs to be regulators. Who, in essence, is an extension of government, good government that is and not police state government (which has become very rampant throughout the world thanks to multinational corporations who buy off government officials in order for them to make a buck on the backs of average people).

----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by PracticalMac View Post
What is really shocking is to see tragedies like this that happened in US and Europe 100~150 years ago happen in developing countries (also garment factory fire 2 months ago)

It is like reinventing the wheel with blood again.

Tragic


Get used to seeing these sorts of incidences in our country thanks to those who oppose regulatory agencies.

Keep in mind the fact that a fertilizer plant blew up a couple weeks ago in Texas, a plant that was last inspected in the 1980s.
iMikeT is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old May 3, 2013, 10:56 PM   #21
xShane
macrumors 6502a
 
xShane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: United States
Capitalism at its finest.
__________________
Macbook Pro 15" 2.6, 8GB, 750GB, 1GB VRAM
24" Asus display


"Be the change that you wish to see in the world."
xShane is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old May 4, 2013, 05:29 AM   #22
skunk
macrumors Demi-God
 
skunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Republic of Ukistan
It could never happen here.
__________________
"The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted the spoons." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
skunk is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old May 4, 2013, 05:41 AM   #23
Happybunny
macrumors 68000
 
Happybunny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: 's-Hertogenbosch Netherlands
Quote:
Originally Posted by skunk View Post
It could never happen here.
That's what we use to say, until 13th May 2000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensched...works_disaster
__________________
'You cannot undo history, but you can learn from it'
Happybunny is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old May 4, 2013, 06:22 AM   #24
eawmp1
macrumors 601
 
eawmp1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: FL
Quote:
Originally Posted by iMikeT View Post
Keep in mind the fact that a fertilizer plant blew up a couple weeks ago in Texas, a plant that was last inspected in the 1980s.
And whose self-reporting of materials was lacking in that they did not report ammonium nitrate to DHS. There were frequent thefts of anhydrous ammonium used in the manufacture of crystal methamphetamine. Not the security of sites.

But manufacturing works best unregulated and left to its own self-monitoring, just like the finance sector.
eawmp1 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old May 4, 2013, 06:35 PM   #25
skunk
macrumors Demi-God
 
skunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Republic of Ukistan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Happybunny View Post
That's what we use to say, until 13th May 2000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensched...works_disaster
I think you missed the irony...
__________________
"The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted the spoons." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
skunk is offline   0 Reply With Quote


Reply
MacRumors Forums > Mac Community > Community Discussion > Politics, Religion, Social Issues

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Similar Threads
thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
iPad Mini: Is Retina worth $200 more if you can get used mini 1st gen for $200? Kendo iPad 8 Oct 23, 2013 03:38 PM
IOS 7 with dead screen - how to factory restore or downgrade? hercomserv iOS 7 3 Aug 7, 2013 08:06 AM
Another Interstate bridge collapses Sydde Politics, Religion, Social Issues 80 May 27, 2013 11:33 AM
Can I reset a FACTORY UNLOCKED iPhone and still have the factory unlocked status? SnackyD iPhone Tips, Help and Troubleshooting 1 Jun 16, 2012 08:22 PM
Can I reset a FACTORY UNLOCKED iPhone and still have the factory unlocked status? SnackyD iPhone 2 Jun 16, 2012 05:46 PM

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:09 AM.

Mac Rumors | Mac | iPhone | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Mobile Version | Fixed | Fluid | Fluid HD
Copyright 2002-2013, MacRumors.com, LLC