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Old Apr 29, 2013, 12:39 PM   #1
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Jason Collins comes out

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mag...ay-nba-player/

If you don't know who he is, he and his twin brother are NBA players (his twin's retired though). They were never all-stars but they can ball. I grew up in the San Fernando Valley around the same time they did and even in elementary school they were dominating games.

Anyway good article in SI and glad he found the courage to come out.
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Though not sure why I should particularly care for one announcing his sexual preference.
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Old Apr 29, 2013, 12:47 PM   #3
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Though not sure why I should particularly care for one announcing his sexual preference.
Agreed. I've never heard of the guy and couldn't care less about who he sleeps with.
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Old Apr 29, 2013, 12:51 PM   #4
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Though not sure why I should particularly care for one announcing his sexual preference.
I suppose one could argue that with professional sport's hyper macho atmosphere, and the still extant stereotypes about gays, coming out demonstrates that the stereotypes are wrong, and gays can, and do, function well in the hyper-macho sports world.

Or something like that...
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Agreed. I've never heard of the guy and couldn't care less about who he sleeps with.
Seems like you guys don't care because you think acting indifferent like you already accepted gay people coming out 10 years ago makes you look progressive. It actually just makes you look belittling and blind to prejudice.

You got Collins from the world of sports as well as guys like Frank Ocean from the world of hiphop who've found the courage to come out despite the culture of the industries they belong to. I think that's pretty socially relevant.
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Old Apr 29, 2013, 01:16 PM   #6
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Agreed. I've never heard of the guy and couldn't care less about who he sleeps with.
It's a huge deal. And while you shouldn't care about who he sleeps with, there are millions of people in this country who do. And until we are all accepted, and until we all have equal rights it will continue to be a big deal.

The impact on how this will effect kids will be big as well. Growing up, it's easier to accept yourself if you have role models. Someone who is just like you. When I was a kid and going through all of the doubts, I didn't know that others were struggling as well. Every gay character on television, every "celebrity" that comes out, every state that passes equality legislation makes it easier for kids to come to terms with being "different". The suicide rate of LGBT is extremely high. TOO high. And announcements like these - meaningless to you - help save lives.

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I'd also like to add that announcments such as this also helps to break stereotypes. And that's always a good thing. I also have a feeling this won't be the first person from a major sport coming out this year.

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It's a huge deal. And while you shouldn't care about who he sleeps with, there are millions of people in this country who do. And until we are all accepted, and until we all have equal rights it will continue to be a big deal.
A nobody NBA player comes out and this is HUGE news? Not. Maybe a HUGE publicity ploy. Maybe a HUGE headline grab. But not huge news.

I'm all for the equal rights and all that, but if you are waiting for everyone to accept you...you will be waiting to the end of time.
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A nobody NBA player comes out and this is HUGE news? Not. Maybe a HUGE publicity ploy. Maybe a HUGE headline grab. But not huge news.

I'm all for the equal rights and all that, but if you are waiting for everyone to accept you...you will be waiting to the end of time.
Obviously not huge news to you...But it is to me. And to millions of LGBT youth.

Frankly, I'm not waiting for everyone to accept me - what I want is for the kid in Podunk, IA who is struggling with his sexuality to know that he isn't alone. And every person that comes out helps.

As much as you'd like to tell yourself it's "no big deal" it is. And no matter how much you try to minimize it, reality tells a different story. It means something to me. And to those who had to grow up wondering if they were the only one who didn't feel like everyone else. It's a win anytme someone steps out of the closet.
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A nobody NBA player comes out and this is HUGE news? Not. Maybe a HUGE publicity ploy. Maybe a HUGE headline grab. But not huge news.
Great way to be judgmental. Job well done.

Anyway, this is a big deal, because now it gets the NBA and other major professional sports and their players to confront their own personal demons about a person's sexual preference and how it impacts them.

I'll remind you of how much controversy there was when people didn't want to play with Magic Johnson after he came out as HIV positive shortly before the Dream Team hit Barcelona in '92. Whether you believe it or not, the fear and paranoia from them still exists now, and that needs to be dealt with.

If the PBA and ESPN could handle it professionally with Scott Norton, then the NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL, MLS, and others need to take a look at themselves.

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I'm all for the equal rights and all that, but if you are waiting for everyone to accept you...you will be waiting to the end of time.
Not everyone will accept it, you're right. But at least he won't be dealing with it, as he'll have peace of mind that he did the right thing for himself when he leaves this world.

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A nobody NBA player comes out and this is HUGE news? Not. Maybe a HUGE publicity ploy. Maybe a HUGE headline grab. But not huge news.

I'm all for the equal rights and all that, but if you are waiting for everyone to accept you...you will be waiting to the end of time.
Says the white, heterosexual male.

Man, some of you guys will never understand.

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And no matter how It's a win anytme someone steps out of the closet.
It's more than just that. Coming to your family and friends is the biggest political statement any gay individual can make. If every gay person came out today, we wouldn't have any prejudice and inequality.
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Seems like you guys don't care because you think acting indifferent like you already accepted gay people coming out 10 years ago makes you look progressive. It actually just makes you look belittling and blind to prejudice.
Absolutely perfectly stated. This feigned indifference is intended strictly to isolate and minimize. The very fact that someone in this day and age still has to "come out" shows just how far we as a society still need to travel.
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Says the white, heterosexual male.

Man, some of you guys will never understand.
I guess I just don't give a rats ass. Hump whoever you want, it's NOT news.

He's a washed up player looking for headlines. And he got it.
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I guess I just don't give a rats ass. Hump whoever you want, it's NOT news.

He's a washed up player looking for headlines. And he got it.
Like I said before: it is so easy to criticize, condemn, and complain from the couch or desk chair, but it would be interesting to see how you would handle it if it were you.

BTW: The way that his peers, who are also in major professional sports, are supporting him must not be news either.

It's attitudes like this that Apple started the "It Gets Better" campaign. But I digress; by all means, minimize it. It will only stay minimal and marginal in the world between your ears. But to that kid in Tekamah, NE who is wrestling with either being himself or ending his life because of the teasing and taunting he gets every school day from his peers because they think he is fey, and sees someone in his favourite sport come out and say that he's gay and it does get better, it means the world.

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Hump whoever you want, it's NOT news.
When more people think that way, these things will no longer be deemed news. What I mean is that it shouldn't be a big deal. It shouldn't have to be a secret. Without that attitude, no one would click on the article links.
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Cool

Though not sure why I should particularly care for one announcing his sexual preference.
So the homophobia in pro sports isn't a problem for you either?

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Agreed. I've never heard of the guy and couldn't care less about who he sleeps with.
So if it was a requirement that all pro athletes have to pretend to be gay, you wouldn't have a problem with it?
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I guess I just don't give a rats ass. Hump whoever you want, it's NOT news.

He's a washed up player looking for headlines. And he got it.
Jackie Robinson becomes the first black player in the MLB

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So what, black people play baseball all the time, big whoop, this is not news, he just wants to be in the paper

This is how it sounds when you trivialize something by ignoring the social significance behind it
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Jackie Robinson becomes the first black player in the MLB

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So what, black people play baseball all the time, big whoop, this is not news, he just wants to be in the paper

This is how it sounds when you trivialize something by ignoring the social significance behind it
Is that the best you can come up with? Not even close to the same thing.

This guy is not the first gay guy on the planet, not the first black guy, not the first gay black guy. He's not even a big name. He has been on 6 teams in 12 years, very few have even ever heard of him, he's now a free agent with not a lot of active prospects. He never made a name for himself in the game and now he's famous because he's gay? Big whoop. Who cares? Not I.
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Who cares? Not I.
You care enough to post in this thread.
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You care enough to post in this thread.
Every out, especially publicly, further "legitimizes" or "normalizes" being gay and further marginalizes being a homophobe.

If you truly didn't care, Muddy, you would have moved right along...

Ridiculing his "status" in life/sports only proves your concern all the stronger.

You care Muddy...you care a lot.
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So if it was a requirement that all pro athletes have to pretend to be gay, you wouldn't have a problem with it?
Please provide a source for the requirement that gay athletes pretend to be heterosexual.
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Is that the best you can come up with? Not even close to the same thing.

This guy is not the first gay guy on the planet, not the first black guy, not the first gay black guy. He's not even a big name. He has been on 6 teams in 12 years, very few have even ever heard of him, he's now a free agent with not a lot of active prospects. He never made a name for himself in the game and now he's famous because he's gay? Big whoop. Who cares? Not I.
You're minimizing how difficult it is to come out of the closet. No matter if you're a famous athlete, not so famous athlete, or just Joe Blow next door. Do you know how many men there are in Hollywood who have gotten married, have had children, faked liking women because they fear they wouldn't get any work? Because their agents have forced them into doing such things? If it was so easy and such a "no big whoop" why are there people still locked in closets?

Would it mean more if it was Kobe Bryant? Or Kevin Durant?

It's a big deal for anyone. It's not easy. People have gotten kicked out of their homes. Kicked out of their families. Committed suicide. Spend an hour volunteering for the Trevor Project and you'll see the impact that this "no name" "nobody" basketball player has had. Why do you think the suicide rate for LGBT teens is so high?

Not surprising you can't see the importance. Or that you are refusing to see the importance. Or that you're refusing to listen to those who understand the impact something like this has.

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You're minimizing how difficult it is to come out of the closet. No matter if you're a famous athlete, not so famous athlete, or just Joe Blow next door. Do you know how many men there are in Hollywood who have gotten married, have had children, faked liking women because they fear they wouldn't get any work? Because their agents have forced them into doing such things? If it was so easy and such a "no big whoop" why are there people still locked in closets?

Would it mean more if it was Kobe Bryant? Or Kevin Durant?

It's a big deal for anyone. It's not easy. People have gotten kicked out of their homes. Kicked out of their families. Committed suicide. Spend an hour volunteering for the Trevor Project and you'll see the impact that this "no name" "nobody" basketball player has had. Why do you think the suicide rate for LGBT teens is so high?

Not surprising you can't see the importance. Or that you are refusing to see the importance. Or that you're refusing to listen to those who understand the impact something like this has.
You are probably right. Sorry.


I just don't care who is gay or not.
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Although he couldn't find the time to call Chris Kyle's, or Bryan Terry's families, or even the families of the Benghazi victims, POTUS eagerly called Jason Collins & piggy backed off the publicity around his announcement.
#revealing
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While this is news until a big star player comes out in the height of their career this news will quickly be forgotten.
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