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Old May 6, 2013, 07:02 AM   #1
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Texas teen points to heavens, gets relay squad banned from states

Silly silly silly

Since when is pointing your finger up in the air "excessive celebration"? How is that any different than the other kids that raised both arms in the air when they won, or high fived each other after the race?

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highsc...181303156.html
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Old May 6, 2013, 07:17 AM   #2
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Just ridiculous.
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I'd wager we aren't hearing the full story here. Religious link bait at it's finest.
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How did they know he wasn't indicating that they came first?
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It's a shame that it needed to come to this bit I think humility is a very important lesson for kids in sports.
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Old May 6, 2013, 07:23 AM   #6
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How did they know he wasn't indicating that they came first?
How do we know the real gods didn't punish them for gesturing to a false idol?


Edit: here is a statement from the officials involved;

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UIL STATEMENT (from news release):

At the Region IV Conference 3A Track & Field regional meet held on Saturday, April 27 at Texas A&M Kingsville, a relay team from Columbus High School was disqualified by local meet officials for an unsporting act at the conclusion of the boys 4 x100 meter relay.

The meet official indicated the athlete crossed the finish line and gestured upward with his arm and finger and behaved disrespectfully toward meet officials, in their opinion. In the judgment of the official, this was a violation of NFHS track & field rule 4-6-1. The regional meet referee concurred with this decision and the student was subsequently disqualified. There is no indication that the decision was made because of any religious expression. This was a judgment call, as are many decisions of meet officials in all activities.

According to NFHS rules, once the meet is concluded, the results become final. Neither the UIL nor NFHS have rules that prohibit religious expression.

The UIL takes situations such as these very seriously, and is continuing to investigate the matter fully.
http://www.ihigh.com/vypedfw/article_168675.html

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SECTION 6 DISQUALIFICATION
ART. 1 . . . Unsporting conduct is behavior that is unethical or dishonorable. It includes, but is not limited to: disrespectfully addressing an official, any flagrant behavior, intentional contact, taunting, criticizing or using profanity directed toward someone. This shall apply to all coaches, contestants and other team/school personnel.
PENALTY: Disqualification from that event and further competition in the meet. Disqualification of a coach or other school personnel shall be from further involvement in the meet.
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1. The NFHS disapproves of any form of taunting that is intended or designed to embar- rass, ridicule or demean others under any circumstances including on the basis of race, religion, gender or national origin.
Pdf of the rules: http://www.usatf.org/groups/official...-Rule-Book.pdf
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How do we know the real gods didn't punish them for gesturing to a false idol?


Edit: here is a statement from the officials involved;


http://www.ihigh.com/vypedfw/article_168675.html
Ah. I suppose the question then returns to which finger he was using...
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Ah. I suppose the question then returns to which finger he was using...
Whichever one it appears our texan jogger wasn't as godly as lead to believe.
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While I still think it's a ridiculous rule, it's not some 'war on christianity' as some would have us believe. Apparently the UIL rules which govern this does not allow any celebratory gestures including raising your arms. They say it's an outgrowth of the no taunting rule.
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While I still think it's a ridiculous rule, it's not some 'war on christianity' as some would have us believe. Apparently the UIL rules which govern this does not allow any celebratory gestures including raising your arms. They say it's an outgrowth of the no taunting rule.
Apparently combined with a christian display of disrespect towards officials.
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While I still think it's a ridiculous rule, it's not some 'war on christianity' as some would have us believe. Apparently the UIL rules which govern this does not allow any celebratory gestures including raising your arms. They say it's an outgrowth of the no taunting rule.
Some of these articles word it as if he flipped off the officials. That seems unlikely. I haven't seen anyone use such a gesture in many years, so it would be weird for a kid to pick that up. I stopped trying to understand Texas long ago.
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Officials like to keep a firm grip on things for a reason. Sometimes it seems to the kids that they are being too strict.

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A memorial has been held for a soccer referee who died after he was punched during a game in Salt Lake City, Utah.

Ricardo Portillo, 46, passed away on Saturday after a week spent in a coma following the alleged assault.

Police say a 17-year-old player in a recreational soccer league struck Portillo, 46, after he issued him with a yellow card for a foul.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22426301
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Officials like to keep a firm grip on things for a reason. Sometimes it seems to the kids that they are being too strict.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22426301

I see no relationship between an athlete who assaults a referee and kids celebrating a win.
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I see no relationship between an athlete who assaults a referee and kids celebrating a win.
There are rules about excessive celebration, taunting, and good sportsmanship that sometimes seem to be adhered to more strictly than necessary. Unfortunately, these rules have to exist for a reason.
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I'd wager we aren't hearing the full story here. Religious link bait at it's finest.
Wut? Watch the news cast. It's not a religious link.
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While I still think it's a ridiculous rule, it's not some 'war on christianity' as some would have us believe. Apparently the UIL rules which govern this does not allow any celebratory gestures including raising your arms. They say it's an outgrowth of the no taunting rule.
No, but I can almost guarantee you that Fox and the right will turn this into the "left's war on Christianity".
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No, but I can almost guarantee you that Fox and the right will turn this into the "left's war on Christianity".

It's already all over the god forums. Was hard to find any other source when searching.
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I would think that all kids who want to participate in sports in Texas should be examined about their belief structure, and any Christians prohibited from participating. It wouldn't be fair to the other students to have students getting help from the deity that seems to be the predominant one down there.

I would think a fair race would only have people who weren't seeking the assistance of an omnipotent being.
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Perhaps there could be similar rules about public displays of triumphalism in general, like after a murder suspect is detained. The "USA! USA! USA!" crowd don't exactly help your image abroad.
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Wut? Watch the news cast. It's not a religious link.
I think you're misunderstanding Andy. The media is spinning it as a anti-religious story for the knee jerk reaction (clicks) from pro-relogious folks. It's all down to ratings, eyeballs and $$$'s. Fervor makes good business.

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...seeking the assistance of an omnipotent being.
Well, if God did help him, then did he really win? And if that's the case, what's there to celebrate?

The last time sport and religion mixed in a non-self-serving way was, I think, the 1924 Paris Olympics. The favorite to win the 100m refused to race on a Sunday and gave up his chance at Olympic gold. Personal sacrifice made willingly on principle - How quaint.

Nowadays winning seems to be all about bragging you're God's favorite! Nothing noble in that.
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I wish I could say this surprised me. But unfortunately nothing does any more.
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And the mainstream press has realized that this non-story is now over. It wasn't about religion at all.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/officia...170034775.html

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According to the UIL's Harrison, however, Hayes crossed the finish line and pointed not above his head but straight out in front of him. That brought a red flag from a track official, which signaled that he needed to review what had happened. Hayes and the official then had a verbal exchange, and the runner was disqualified. Harrison told Yahoo! Sports he spoke with Hayes, his father, and the official who made the ruling.

"Although I am very thankful for all God has given me and blessed me with my actions upon winning the 4x100 relay were strictly the thrill of victory," Derrick Hayes said in a statement released by the UIL. "With this being said, I do not feel my religious rights or freedoms were violated.
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And the mainstream press has realized that this non-story is now over. It wasn't about religion at all.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/officia...170034775.html
And yet the original article the OP referenced was that he "pointed to the heavens" and DID state it was a religious gesture.

The point as noted above, is that it WAS seized upon by the religious right and exploited. There was always more to the story, but that didn't play to a newsworthy narrative.
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I think you're misunderstanding Andy. The media is spinning it as a anti-religious story for the knee jerk reaction (clicks) from pro-relogious folks. It's all down to ratings, eyeballs and $$$'s. Fervor makes good business.
Thanks Arran. I didn't think it was too complex a point. Apparently it was for some....

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And the mainstream press has realized that this non-story is now over. It wasn't about religion at all.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/officia...170034775.html
Not surprising. The new form of journalistic link bait that shot all over the web via righteous indignation. Now they can issue a correction or update given have already generated countless page hits.
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