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Old May 22, 2013, 01:29 PM   #1
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Apple Details Five Patents Violated by Samsung Galaxy S4 and Google Now




Last week Apple told the U.S. District Court in California that it planned to add the Samsung Galaxy S4 to its patent lawsuit already underway against Samsung. As promised, Apple today filed a motion (via Foss Patents) that details five different patents that the S4 allegedly infringes on.

The filing includes two Siri-related patents violated by Google Now, Google's robust voice activated search assistant. Patents '604 and '959 cover a "universal interface for retrieval of information in a computer system."

The other three patents in the filing cover a "graphical user interface using historical lists with field classes ('502)," a "system and method for performing an action on a structure in computer-generated data ('647)." and "asynchronous data synchronization amongst devices ('414)." According to Apple, these are all claims that other Samsung devices already violate.
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Apple determined that the Galaxy S4 product practices many of the same claims already asserted by Apple, and that the Galaxy S4 practices those claims in the same way as the already-accused Samsung devices.
Samsung and Apple were ordered to narrow the scope of their ongoing legal battle earlier this year and as a result, Apple has stated that it will remove one of the other 22 infringing devices from the lawsuit if it is permitted to add the Galaxy S4.

There will be a hearing to discuss Apple's newly filed motion on June 25 in San Jose and the lawsuit, which covers newly released devices that were not a part of the original dispute, is expected to go to trial in March of 2014.

Article Link: Apple Details Five Patents Violated by Samsung Galaxy S4 and Google Now
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Old May 22, 2013, 01:30 PM   #2
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I'm excited to see another Apple vs Samsung legal battle.

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Old May 22, 2013, 01:32 PM   #3
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Shut it apple !

Less litigate; go innovate !
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Old May 22, 2013, 01:32 PM   #4
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Not this **** again.
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Old May 22, 2013, 01:33 PM   #6
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ugh stupid software patents, so vague it could mean anything
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Old May 22, 2013, 01:34 PM   #7
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Finally some lawsuit news. Was getting tired of the iMac wifi leak.
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Old May 22, 2013, 01:34 PM   #8
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Patents '604 and '959 cover a "universal interface for retrieval of information in a computer system."

My god... when will this crap ever end? These aren't inventions.

How much more vague can this be?
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Old May 22, 2013, 01:34 PM   #9
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If they violated the patents, Apple has every legal right to battle them in court. That's why you pay so much money for patents.

Is this really a Mac Rumour though? I suppose when there are no new products for 6 months, this is what we get!

Come on June!!
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Old May 22, 2013, 01:35 PM   #10
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Okay. Please Apple. I am so tired of hearing about this ****. As much as I am an iPhone user and all, can we just make nice and be done with all this dumb legal action?

As Larry Page said recently, "We should be building great things that don't exist." Not focusing on the platform wars or sniping with other companies. And iOS 6 was really boring.

It starts seeming like Apple is spending more effort on lawsuits than new products and features. I am keeping my fingers crossed on iOS 7 and Jon Ive, but at the moment Google is pushing the envelope more than Apple and Apple is suing Samsung for Google Now?
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Old May 22, 2013, 01:36 PM   #11
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Yeah cause the lawyers are also the engineers
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Old May 22, 2013, 01:38 PM   #12
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How can you patent something as broad as, "universal interface for retrieval of information in a computer system"

....they mine as well start suing all electronic companies.
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Old May 22, 2013, 01:39 PM   #13
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these patents are hillarious!
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Old May 22, 2013, 01:39 PM   #14
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Apple should focus on beating the competition into the ground in the market place. The governments should eliminate the patent system.
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Old May 22, 2013, 01:40 PM   #15
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Apple, get your *********g useless fingers out your ass ... You can't even be bothered to bring out your own decent S4 competitor; choosing to spend more time in court.

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Old May 22, 2013, 01:41 PM   #16
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Apple should focus on beating the competition into the ground in the market place. The governments should eliminate the patent system.
Eliminate IP protection and no one has a reason to create anything. Because they would put it out in the world only to have to ripped off left and right.

What we need is a better patent system. Clearer rules on what can receive protection, new system for public review of pending patents before they can be signed off, new rules for when you can file a complaint of violation and what kind of damages you can get.

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patents on mere ideas are out the door. There has to be a specific and detailed tech described even if it is just theoretical at this time. And a violation requires at least 80% of those details to match exactly and a lack of proof of concurrent development.

When a patent is submitted as part of the final review it is publicly revealed so other companies can object in the grounds they have prior art that would invalidate this new patent. A board reviews it and rejects the patent application if they agree or rejects the prior art claim. If anyone releases anything that violate the announced patent during this period and it is approved then it is still a violation. If someone falls to submit an objection during the public review they can't use it in a suit later unless they can prove there was no way for them to see clearly it was an issue until they saw the final product.

And in regards to claims against companies for violations, a limit of say 3 years is put on filing a suit for violation from the time the tech in question was released to the public. Otherwise no statutory damages will be awarded, just actual. A blanket no injunctions on SEP related issues and statutory damages are only applicable if the owning company can prove that they did attempt to negotiate FRAND rates and the offender refused. Or the offending company attempted to offer FRAND rates and was refused. In the case of offense yes it might be possible for the court to decide a FRAND rate for the license and require payment AND at the same time find against the patent owner for failure to properly license depending on circumstances

Same if there is clear evidence of patent exhaustion and the owners attempted to double dip with knowledge of the PE. And if any company, party or not, claims to have an applicable patent exhaustion, such as Apple and Lodsys, all cases are frozen (and no new ones can be filed) while the claim is reviewed. If it is shown that the owners falsely filed claims they have to pay all legal fees for those they filed against and a reasonable nuisance fine.

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If they violated the patents, Apple has every legal right to battle them in court. That's why you pay so much money for patents.
...or for Macs & iDevices. We pay Apple for the unnecessary entertainment.
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Old May 22, 2013, 01:41 PM   #18
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The patent descriptions sound so vague. I'm not saying that Samsung is the white-hat in this, but there has to be a line when it comes to technology. Patenting "auto complete" and suing because of it is just a jerk thing to do.

So they patented:

universal interface for retrieval of information in a computer system
Looking up information on a computer system. Really? I'm pretty sure all computers do that. Even old less-smart phones had a search to get contacts and such. It just wasn't one-textbox to search everything-at-once. BUT... computers and PIM's have been doing that for years.

graphical user interface using historical lists with field classes
Auto-complete showing historic entries. Really? Every browser since 1995 does that. Heck even some old less-smart phones did that.

asynchronous data synchronization amongst devices
Your device syncs up with other similar devices via a cloud or something. Not really innovation.

System and method for performing an action on a structure in computer-generated data
This is the only one I can't tell what they're saying. From a larger description it sounds like passing data-structure to a server, using that structured data to do something, and return it. That sounds like old-hat stuff as well, but I could be reading it incorrectly.
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These patent wars are getting out of hand. Seriously, patent right shouldn't be allowed for processes that are too generic.
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You had me at "asynchronous data synchronization amongst devices."

Actually, I don't ****ing get it and I wish Apple would **** already.
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Old May 22, 2013, 01:43 PM   #21
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I need to patent a "device that does some stuff" and sue the hell out of everyone!
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Old May 22, 2013, 01:44 PM   #22
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Apple, focus on quality products with current technology (I'm looking at you, Mac Pro's), instead of wasted time and money on these endless suits. Innovate, not mediate.

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Old May 22, 2013, 01:45 PM   #23
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Apple's new business strategy. Apply for vague patents and then sue everyone.
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Old May 22, 2013, 01:48 PM   #24
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"universal interface for retrieval of information in a computer system." is PATENTED?!

This is from The Onion..... right?
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Old May 22, 2013, 01:50 PM   #25
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It starts seeming like Apple is spending more effort on lawsuits than new products and features. I am keeping my fingers crossed on iOS 7 and Jon Ive, but at the moment Google is pushing the envelope more than Apple and Apple is suing Samsung for Google Now?
Samsung fans are also keeping their fingers crossed...hoping some of those new iOS 7 features make it to the S5.
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