Go Back   MacRumors Forums > Mac Community > Community Discussion > Politics, Religion, Social Issues

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:19 PM   #1
MacRumors
macrumors bot
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Obama Targets Patent Trolls with Proposed Legislative Changes




President Obama has today announced a set of executive actions directed at cracking down on patent-holding firms that interfere with competition and abuse the patent system,*reports The Wall Street Journal. Many technology companies, such as Apple, have dealt with multiple lawsuits from so-called "patent trolls," which aim to make money through licensing fees.
Quote:
Mr. Obama's actions, which include measures he wants Congress to consider, are intended to target firms that have forced technology companies, financial institutions and others into costly litigation to protect their products. These patent-holding firms amass portfolios of patents more to pursue licensing fees than to build new products.

The firms say they are doing nothing wrong, just using patents that were legally granted by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. They say they promote a fair market by protecting smaller inventors.
Obama has constructed a five-step plan with a total of seven legislative changes, which will be released as part of a White House report on patent trolls. The plan includes a recommendation that the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office create rules that require patent owners to be identified and a request for Congress to pass legislation that puts sanctions on questionable lawsuits filed by patent-holding firms.

Additionally, Obama hopes to cut down on the International Trade Commission's involvement in patent disputes. Claims filed with the ITC are often resolved more quickly than standard federal lawsuits.
Quote:
The Obama administration would like Congress to change certain ITC legal standards and ensure that the agency has flexibility in hiring its judges. The president will order a review of existing procedures at the ITC, officials said.
Reliance on the ITC has not been limited to patent trolls, as a number technology companies like Apple, Samsung, and Google have increasingly used the International Trade Commission to settle a number of patent disputes.

According to President Obama, patent-holding firms are a drain on progress. The firms, he says, "don't actually produce anything themselves. They're just trying to essentially leverage and hijack someone else's idea to see if they can extort some money out of them."

Over the years, Apple has faced litigation from a number of patent-holding companies like Lodsys, which has targeted app developers over in-app purchases, and VirnetX, a company that was awarded $368.2 million over VPN connectivity in Facebook in 2012.

Note: Due to the political nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the comment thread is located in our Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum. All MacRumors forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.

Article Link: Obama Targets Patent Trolls with Proposed Legislative Changes
MacRumors is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:19 PM   #2
GeekLawyer
macrumors Demi-God
 
GeekLawyer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: The post is coming from inside the house!
Thank you, Mr. President!
GeekLawyer is offline   33 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:21 PM   #3
tevion5
macrumors 6502a
 
tevion5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Ireland
This sounds like the kind of legislation that takes a hell of a long time to implement....
__________________
13" MBP, 2.3GHz ; iPhone 4s ; iPod Touch 2G ; 23" ACD ; Power Mac G5, 2GHz DC ; Power Mac G4 1GHz DP ; Power Mac 8600 ; Mac Classic II ; Mac 512Ke ; Apple II Plus ; Apple Monitor III
tevion5 is offline   4 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:21 PM   #4
apfeljonas
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Germany
It'd be great if this was really thorough legislation that really worked...but...well, knowing the US Government...
__________________
MacBook Pro, Late 2011, i5 2.4 GHz iPhone 5 32 GB Black
apfeljonas is offline   15 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:21 PM   #5
osx11
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
This is good news. The patent system in the U.S. is broken and needs to be fixed.
osx11 is offline   13 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:23 PM   #6
MultiMediaWill
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Illinois
This may be the first thing Obama has done well in office.
__________________
MacBook Pro 15" 2011 , 2.2 GHz Quad i7, 750GB SDD, 8GB RAM
iPhone 6 Plus 64gb
MultiMediaWill is offline   21 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:23 PM   #7
TWSS37
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
But what will MR post about? This eliminates about 65% of front page posts!
__________________
HTC One (M8) Moto X Nexus 7 LTE Samsung Gear Live Moto 360
TWSS37 is offline   38 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:25 PM   #8
2ms
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Hah, it's so funny how a president gets in a scandal or two and then suddenly his smiling face starts appearing on every web site in the world with him suddenly making various announcements about this that and other -- anything to create news that is different from the scandal news

I don't mean that in negative way. although I do suppose it is a bit sad...
2ms is offline   12 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:26 PM   #9
cmChimera
macrumors 68000
 
cmChimera's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by osx11 View Post
This is good news. The patent system in the U.S. is broken and needs to be fixed.
What, specifically, is broken about the patent system?
cmChimera is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:27 PM   #10
fins831
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
He can propose whatever he wants, it has to pass Congress, which should only happen by the time Haley's comet comes around.
__________________
iPhone 6 Silver 64 gig
2012 MacBook Pro 16 Gig 256 SSD
iPad 3
fins831 is offline   14 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:27 PM   #11
Sydde
macrumors 68000
 
Sydde's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
The simplest place to start, to throttle the trolls, is to force them to prove they are developing the concept. A patent that is not being directly used by the holder or an affiliate of the holder should expire in two years unless the interested party can demonstrate ongoing R&D.
__________________
You got to be a spirit. You can't be no ghost.
Sydde is offline   7 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:29 PM   #12
I WAS the one
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: May 2006
HELL YEAH! I believe you should patent what you already made not what you dream to make.
__________________
If were a religion... We all were sinners right now.
I WAS the one is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:33 PM   #13
Diode
macrumors 68020
 
Diode's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Washington DC
Send a message via AIM to Diode
Quote:
Originally Posted by cmChimera View Post
What, specifically, is broken about the patent system?
That it's profitable for a group of investors to buy up vague, poorly written patents from holders/companies that no longer use them/care about them and then sue everyone who is even close to violating them in the hopes that they pay up rather then fight.

If you think these patent holding companies are benefiting the original holder then you are mistaken. They often are bought for next to nothing.

As others have mentioned - patents are to protect not to be bought by shell companies to punish others.

It's not just the holding companies to blame - Apple, Google and just about every technology giant are just as guilty too. They buy patents to keep others from using them. Similiar to what AT&T/Verizon do with wireless spectrum.
Diode is offline   8 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:33 PM   #14
fiveainone
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Thanks, Obama!
fiveainone is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:34 PM   #15
WildCowboy
Administrator/Editor
 
WildCowboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by fins831 View Post
He can propose whatever he wants, it has to pass Congress, which should only happen by the time Haley's comet comes around.
Not entirely true. He's proposing some executive actions, which do not need to pass Congress. He's also proposing some legislative actions, which obviously would involve Congress.
__________________
Editor in Chief, MacRumors
WildCowboy is online now   5 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:35 PM   #16
sfwalter
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Although I laude his initiative I really can't see congress doing a darn thing about it.
sfwalter is offline   3 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:35 PM   #17
Larry-K
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Hmmm, guess he was listening to "This American Life" Last weekend.

Amazing how people fight over utter nonsense while this stuff goes on.
Larry-K is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:35 PM   #18
JPyre
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Pistolvania
Send a message via AIM to JPyre
Quote:
Originally Posted by cmChimera View Post
What, specifically, is broken about the patent system?
Uh... The fact that you don't have to produce/sell a product or service for starters
__________________
Dual 2.0GHz G5 Tower, 2.4GHz Black MacBook, 1.5GHz 12" Powerbook, Screenless 667MHz 15" Powerbook, iPhone4, Apple ][c with Okidata line printer.
JPyre is offline   4 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:36 PM   #19
taptic
macrumors 65816
 
taptic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: California
Quote:
Originally Posted by MultiMediaWill View Post
This may be the first thing Obama has done well in office.
Don't get ahead of yourself! We never know what he's gonna do next...
taptic is offline   4 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:39 PM   #20
ghostface147
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: May 2008
If you patent something, you better have it working somehow...hardware wise. You patent software, after a few years (say 5 due to how rapidly software advances) it expires and is granted universal cross-licensing fees.

If you go bankrupt or something like that, that patent expires and it cannot be re-filed by another company. I think this would be a good start.
ghostface147 is offline   4 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:41 PM   #21
Shrink
macrumors Demi-God
 
Shrink's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: New England, USA
Geez, doesn't the Government have anything better to do than...wait...

Pretty good idea if it can get past...well... some other people!

Not bad for a Commie...er...Socialist...ah...foreign born Muslim...I mean the President.

__________________
Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. -- Albert Einstein
Shrink is offline   5 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:41 PM   #22
ArtOfWarfare
macrumors 603
 
ArtOfWarfare's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Send a message via Skype™ to ArtOfWarfare
It's not his only action he's ever done right...

Certainly it's the biggest thing he's ever done right, or at least it sounds like it from this article. I'll have to see what exactly he is proposing first.

Other things he has done did a lot more wrong than this did right, though.
ArtOfWarfare is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:42 PM   #23
velocityg4
macrumors 68040
 
velocityg4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Georgia
Hopefully it is better than the Leahy-Smith America Invents Act he signed. Which made the system even worse by changing it from first to invent to first to file. Now you don't even have to create something just file the idea. Which I thought it was that way already. I guess I was wrong.

Perhaps we should just file for all the ideas that are found in Sci Fi. That way by the time they are actually created they are not patentable and any existing patents have long since expired.

Personally I think high tech electronic and software patents should be limited to one or two years. After a year new tech is old news. But a long standing tech patent holds up progress.

It's not the same as other fields since adoption rates and changes are so fast in the tech field. Unlike say farming equipment where a new device can take years to reach market adoption.

Another problem I did not hear addressed. Is how tech patents seem to keep getting reissued. I know there has been a lot of patents in the news that make no sense. As earlier cruder devices and software existed in the 70's or 80's which they battle over a recently issued patent for the same concept.
__________________
Quadra 650 040 33MHz 72MB RAM, 2GB HD, 2x CD
Macbook C2D 2.0Ghz; 3GB RAM, 500GB HD
Home Made i5 4.0Ghz, GeForce 560 Ti, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD RAID 0, 3TB HD RAID 0 in a G5 Case.
velocityg4 is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:44 PM   #24
Coleman2010
macrumors 68000
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: NYC
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2ms View Post
Hah, it's so funny how a president gets in a scandal or two and then suddenly his smiling face starts appearing on every web site in the world with him suddenly making various announcements about this that and other -- anything to create news that is different from the scandal news

I don't mean that in negative way. although I do suppose it is a bit sad...
Scandals? What scandals? Check President Obama's job approval polls. Hasn't dropped an inch. They're only scandals in the fevered minds of Republicans. The rest of us see through all of the bloviating coming from the right.
Coleman2010 is offline   13 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 4, 2013, 01:44 PM   #25
GoldenJoe
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Obama is the head of the executive branch, is he not? That is not how laws are supposed to be created.

Putting all that "checks and balances" nonsense aside, since it's obviously not important anymore, what do you suppose his motivation is for this order? To draw attention away from his numerous scandals? Lobbying from Google (remember his connections to Eric Schmidt)?

Watch very carefully.
GoldenJoe is offline   5 Reply With Quote


Reply
MacRumors Forums > Mac Community > Community Discussion > Politics, Religion, Social Issues

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Similar Threads
thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Judge Invalidates Two Samsung Patent Claims Ahead of Second Patent Lawsuit with Apple MacRumors MacRumors.com News Discussion 60 Jan 23, 2014 01:31 PM
Apple Number One Target for Patent Trolls With 171 Cases in Five Years MacRumors MacRumors.com News Discussion 87 Sep 18, 2013 03:03 AM
Finally! Patent trolls are going to be stopped. Serelus Community Discussion 0 Jun 4, 2013 05:08 AM
Should Apple help defend against podcast patent trolls? FloatingBones Apple, Industry and Internet Discussion 0 Feb 14, 2013 10:50 AM
U.S. Senator Promising Legislative Action Allowing In-Air Use of Electronic Devices if FAA Doesn't Act MacRumors MacRumors.com News Discussion 259 Dec 19, 2012 12:35 PM

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:18 AM.

Mac Rumors | Mac | iPhone | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Mobile Version | Fixed | Fluid | Fluid HD
Copyright 2002-2013, MacRumors.com, LLC