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Old Jun 4, 2013, 05:28 PM   #1
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America is Accelerating the Apocolypse

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Noam Chomsky, one of my favorite people around. Popularly known for his propaganda model which I find fascinating. Anyways take a look at what he has to say. Also what do you think?
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Old Jun 4, 2013, 05:54 PM   #2
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Noam Chomsky, one of my favorite people around. Popularly known for his propaganda model which I find fascinating. Anyways take a look at what he has to say. Also what do you think?
Come dance Noam Chomsky's Apocolypso! It's got a crazy beat so you don't have to think on your feet, mon!
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Old Jun 5, 2013, 02:17 AM   #3
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Noam Chomsky, one of my favorite people around. Popularly known for his propaganda model which I find fascinating. Anyways take a look at what he has to say. Also what do you think?
Noam Chomsky is one of the few actual leftists in the U.S. As a moderate, I find it uncomfortable not to be in the middle, so, it is nice to have someone out there. On the other hand, I have always found Chomsky's selective stringing together of facts to be extremely misleading.

For example, it is a fact that the Reagan Administration was greatly alarming the Soviet Union in 1982-1983, creating an extremely dangerous situation. The sequence of events was described in Oleg Gordievsky's (first) book, and, the sequence of events is something that everyone should know about. But, given Chomsky's strange slant, who would know what to believe in what he says? One minute he is describing a very dangerous period in the history of the Cold War, the next he is rationalizing the craziest actions of North Korea.
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Old Jun 5, 2013, 04:53 AM   #4
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I'm disappointed he didn't mention the Grey Goo scenario...
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Old Jun 5, 2013, 03:27 PM   #5
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Isn't the correct term "immanentising the eschaton"?
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Old Jun 6, 2013, 05:42 AM   #6
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Isn't the correct term "immanentising the eschaton"?
Now that's not a phrase you hear everyday.Though it doesn't surprise me that the right wing nuckfuts have a term to describe "any attempt to improve the conditions of humans is against gods will.
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Old Jun 6, 2013, 07:42 AM   #7
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Isn't the correct term "immanentising the eschaton"?
I must admit I really did have to Google that one.
Still it shows that you really do learn new things on this site.

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Now that's not a phrase you hear everyday.Though it doesn't surprise me that the right wing nuckfuts have a term to describe "any attempt to improve the conditions of humans is against gods will.
I agree, it's how I view these overly religious types.
I have stored the phrase "Immanentising the eschaton" and cannot wait to use in a sentence.
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Isn't the correct term "immanentising the eschaton"?
I hadn't heard is phrase but it's a definite keeper
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Now that's not a phrase you hear everyday.Though it doesn't surprise me that the right wing nuckfuts have a term to describe "any attempt to improve the conditions of humans is against gods will.
It was an everyday thing back in -- 1965 was it? William F. Buckley, Jr. made it popular-- in the negative form. "Don't immanentize the eschaton." I think it was even on a bumper sticker. It was kind of funny, but, not totally, since, as you say, it was taken up as a slogan by young conservatives who wanted to excuse the way things are. At the time, "they way things are" included, in particular, the social acceptance of the lack of civil rights for people of color. I had forgotten all about that little slogan.
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Without America, imagine how many World Wars would have become. Imagine how much land would be destroyed globally for profit compared to now. It's easy to point to any cause, but nobody gives prevention the respect it deserves.
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Without America, imagine how many World Wars would have become. Imagine how much land would be destroyed globally for profit compared to now. It's easy to point to any cause, but nobody gives prevention the respect it deserves.
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Without America, imagine how many World Wars would have become. Imagine how much land would be destroyed globally for profit compared to now. It's easy to point to any cause, but nobody gives prevention the respect it deserves.
Then for the last 24 years as the only superpower you've been the bully on the block. You set such a bad example of using arbitrary force that other countries have started to to use it as the blueprint of normality.

Iraq 2003 a war waged because of Oil and nothing to do with WMD.

Prevention you joke, Afghanistan you moved in to drive out the Taliban, you fought the longest war in US history. The whole world and his dog knows the second you leave the Taliban will be back in power within weeks if not days.

The world is not safer than it was 25 years ago in the cold war, if anything it's got worse.

Compare life in the US back in 1980's and now look, TSA at airports, DoH's wide ranging powers, the militarism of you police departments. Do you honestly feel safer.
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Then for the last 24 years as the only superpower you've been the bully on the block. You set such a bad example of using arbitrary force that other countries have started to to use it as the blueprint of normality.

Iraq 2003 a war waged because of Oil and nothing to do with WMD.

Prevention you joke, Afghanistan you moved in to drive out the Taliban, you fought the longest war in US history. The whole world and his dog knows the second you leave the Taliban will be back in power within weeks if not days.

The world is not safer than it was 25 years ago in the cold war, if anything it's got worse.

Compare life in the US back in 1980's and now look, TSA at airports, DoH's wide ranging powers, the militarism of you police departments. Do you honestly feel safer.
You just proved my point about prevention. Your more focused on the wrong.

For example ....... You think Israel and South Korea would still be in existence if wasn't for America?
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For example ....... You think Israel and South Korea would still be in existence if wasn't for America?
It might be different.

It might even be better.

It's impossible to say.
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You just proved my point about prevention. Your more focused on the wrong.

For example ....... You think Israel and South Korea would still be in existence if wasn't for America?
Israel would have had to reach an accommodation with their neighbours, and Korea would have been united under the democratically elected Kim Il Sung. The Iraqis would eventually have got rid of Saddam Hussein and his horrible sons, and Iran would be totally different - and probably a lot better. Cuba, Chile, Central America, all these might have been spared decades of strife. The list is long.
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It might be different.

It might even be better.

It's impossible to say.
True, but it's not hard to come up with a most likely assumption. We are pretty decent in predicting the future, I think were just as capable when it comes to an alternate past.


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Israel would have had to reach an accommodation with their neighbours, and Korea would have been united under the democratically elected Kim Il Sung. The Iraqis would eventually have got rid of Saddam Hussein and his horrible sons, and Iran would be totally different - and probably a lot better. Cuba, Chile, Central America, all these might have been spared decades of strife. The list is long.
I disagree with that. But hey, none of us can prove it. Which happens to be my point about the lack of appreciation for prevention. I truly believe America has prevented much potential disaster in this world financially, influential, socially, and from a military standpoint. But the average person will only see what happens as supposed to what else could have happen.
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But the average person will only see what happens as supposed to what else could have happen.

Of course you committed the two greatest crimes against humanity, by giving us the Kardashians and Honey Boo Boo. There is no denying that they did happen.
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Of course you committed the two greatest crimes against humanity, by giving us the Kardashians and Honey Boo Boo. There is no denying that they did happen.
Ok, you win by unfair default.
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Of course you committed the two greatest crimes against humanity, by giving us the Kardashians and Honey Boo Boo. There is no denying that they did happen.

Actually, it's the fault of your country and Endemol, the de-facto creators of reality TV programming we know today.
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Actually, it's the fault of your country and Endemol, the de-facto creators of reality TV programming we know today.
While it's true that Endemol started it all, all they can be accused of is making very bad crap TV. But for true apocalyptic spawn of the Devil, the Kardashians and Honey Boo Boo are in a totally different league.
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We are pretty decent in predicting the future, I think were just as capable when it comes to an alternate past.
Attempting either is way above my pay grade.
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... We are pretty decent in predicting the future, I think were just as capable when it comes to an alternate past.
Predictions about the astounding world of the future are always astounding!

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Predictions about the astounding world of the future are always astounding!
Astounding future is astounding!

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