Go Back   MacRumors Forums > iPhone, iPod and iPad > iOS > iOS 7

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Jun 10, 2013, 09:48 AM   #1
ItsWelshy
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
This 'Ive OS 7' thing...

I’m really hoping that no one is really expecting iOS7 to be influenced very much if at all by Jony Ive.

Anyone who understands the development lifecycle will know that Ive’s influence over this iOS version will be very limited, he’s only been in charge of design since Christmas.

I can see many on here being disappointed if there is a major, major overhaul, where everything looks completely different.

I’d expect some minor changes to the basic UI that Ive has implemented, but to say he’s had enough time to do anything major is extremely ignorant, and heaping way too much expectation on what he can deliver in such a small space of time. I would imagine that he’s had a backlog or developments already in progress in dev sprints and had little room for change

I’d expect a more ‘Ive style OS’ to be in iOS8 or even iOS9

No Ive bashing after the conference please!


__________________
rMBP iPhone 5 64GB iPod Nano Time Capsule ATV 2
ItsWelshy is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2013, 09:58 AM   #2
DBZmusicboy01
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Did you take your medication yet? JUST wait 2 more hours left until we can judge then.
DBZmusicboy01 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2013, 10:00 AM   #3
ItsWelshy
Thread Starter
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by DBZmusicboy01 View Post
Did you take your medication yet? JUST wait 2 more hours left until we can judge then.
Did you read my post? I'm saying that a lot are placing this iOS update as Ive's. it's not.
__________________
rMBP iPhone 5 64GB iPod Nano Time Capsule ATV 2
ItsWelshy is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2013, 10:04 AM   #4
TimUSCA
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Except WSJ (which we all know is a controlled leak) has already said it will be a complete redesign. If any functionality changes, that had nothing to do with Forstall or Ive anyway, and it would have been in development long ago.
TimUSCA is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2013, 10:07 AM   #5
ItsWelshy
Thread Starter
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimUSCA View Post
Except WSJ (which we all know is a controlled leak) has already said it will be a complete redesign. If any functionality changes, that had nothing to do with Forstall or Ive anyway, and it would have been in development long ago.
Exactly...
__________________
rMBP iPhone 5 64GB iPod Nano Time Capsule ATV 2
ItsWelshy is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2013, 10:12 AM   #6
TimUSCA
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsWelshy View Post
Exactly...
What do you mean exactly? A complete redesign with a flat interface is completely contradictory to your original post. If WSJ is correct, that means Ive's influence is definitely all over iOS.
TimUSCA is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2013, 10:13 AM   #7
cmChimera
macrumors 68000
 
cmChimera's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsWelshy View Post
I’m really hoping that no one is really expecting iOS7 to be influenced very much if at all by Jony Ive.

Anyone who understands the development lifecycle will know that Ive’s influence over this iOS version will be very limited, he’s only been in charge of design since Christmas.

I can see many on here being disappointed if there is a major, major overhaul, where everything looks completely different.

I’d expect some minor changes to the basic UI that Ive has implemented, but to say he’s had enough time to do anything major is extremely ignorant, and heaping way too much expectation on what he can deliver in such a small space of time. I would imagine that he’s had a backlog or developments already in progress in dev sprints and had little room for change

I’d expect a more ‘Ive style OS’ to be in iOS8 or even iOS9

No Ive bashing after the conference please!


You've clearly ignored ALL rumors suggesting the exact opposite of what you propose. I'll believe the Wall Street Journal over you, thanks.
cmChimera is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2013, 10:13 AM   #8
jabingla2810
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimUSCA View Post
Except WSJ (which we all know is a controlled leak) has already said it will be a complete redesign. If any functionality changes, that had nothing to do with Forstall or Ive anyway, and it would have been in development long ago.
There won't ever be a complete redesign.

It till be a refinement, and it will probably be a bit "flatter", to use everybodies favourite word right now.

Look at OSX, its looked the same for over 10 years.

If Apple completely redesign it today, then what? Redesign it again in 5 years when everybody is "bored" of that?

Think about it this way: Imagine you're Mum one day updates her iPhone, that she loves and knows how to use, and paid a lot of money for, and it looks completely different. Will she be happy with that?
__________________
2.4 Alu Macbook 2GB 250GB
jabingla2810 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2013, 10:14 AM   #9
ItsWelshy
Thread Starter
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimUSCA View Post
What do you mean exactly? A complete redesign with a flat interface is completely contradictory to your original post. If WSJ is correct, that means Ive's influence is definitely all over iOS.
I think something has been lost in translation here.

Is English your first language?
__________________
rMBP iPhone 5 64GB iPod Nano Time Capsule ATV 2
ItsWelshy is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2013, 10:16 AM   #10
mumph
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
I think it will be only slightly 'flattened' i.e. removal of gloss, subduing of shadows. Icons will be similar to current incarnations but some may be refreshed. The leather bits etc will be gone and replaced with blacks, greys and whites. I'm not sure about the Ultra Light Helvetica. I know we have Retina screens now but type that light can cause problems in print and at small sizes on screen.

If a Windows user with a crappy screen and Windows crap font rendering visits Apples website with a view of checking out Apple stuff to possibly switch, with Ultra Light Helvetica they are going to have a crappy experience and be possibly turned off.

The UltraLight type will have to be supported by a heavier weight in some instances which could possibly make everything feel a bit disjointed as heavier type usually sits higher in the hierarchy.

I hope they pull it off though.
mumph is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2013, 10:27 AM   #11
ItsWelshy
Thread Starter
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by cmChimera View Post
You've clearly ignored ALL rumors suggesting the exact opposite of what you propose. I'll believe the Wall Street Journal over you, thanks.
Fancy a small bet?

Nothing fundamental will change, grid system with minor changes, maybe new icons.

----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by jabingla2810 View Post
There won't ever be a complete redesign.

It till be a refinement, and it will probably be a bit "flatter", to use everybodies favourite word right now.

Look at OSX, its looked the same for over 10 years.

If Apple completely redesign it today, then what? Redesign it again in 5 years when everybody is "bored" of that?

Think about it this way: Imagine you're Mum one day updates her iPhone, that she loves and knows how to use, and paid a lot of money for, and it looks completely different. Will she be happy with that?
Completely agree, brilliant post.

Could someone tell me the last time a major OS was ‘Completely overhauled’ ?

Unless ‘Completely overhauled’ means changing the icons and small evolutions and improvement in functionality?

I’m hoping for one thing… and it’s strange one… I’d like iMessage to be added to iCloud, so I can message from my work PC without picking up my phone.
__________________
rMBP iPhone 5 64GB iPod Nano Time Capsule ATV 2
ItsWelshy is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2013, 10:29 AM   #12
Austin M.
macrumors 6502a
 
Austin M.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Washington
I'm really in shock by the people who think Jony Ive has no influence in iOS 7. DID YOU NOT WATCH THE D11 interview with Tim Cook? He said it himself that Ive was a MASSIVE influence!
Austin M. is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2013, 10:29 AM   #13
cmChimera
macrumors 68000
 
cmChimera's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsWelshy View Post
Fancy a small bet?

Nothing fundamental will change, grid system with minor changes, maybe new icons.
Define fundamental.
cmChimera is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2013, 10:33 AM   #14
ItsWelshy
Thread Starter
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by Austin M. View Post
I'm really in shock by the people who think Jony Ive has no influence in iOS 7. DID YOU NOT WATCH THE D11 interview with Tim Cook? He said it himself that Ive was a MASSIVE influence!
You think he can be a massive influence on software since Christmas? maybe for iOS8, not a chance for iOS7.

----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by cmChimera View Post
Define fundamental.
A complete redesign, as in, removing the grid system from iOS and changing the way it works.

Windows 8 is probably the closest you'd come, but even that retained the well know desktop.

----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by cmChimera View Post
Define fundamental.
A complete redesign, as in, removing the grid system from iOS and changing the way it works.

Windows 8 is probably the closest you'd come, but even that retained the well know desktop.
__________________
rMBP iPhone 5 64GB iPod Nano Time Capsule ATV 2
ItsWelshy is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2013, 10:34 AM   #15
fivedots
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsWelshy View Post
You think he can be a massive influence on software since Christmas? maybe for iOS8, not a chance for iOS7.
I am glad that you are privy to the inner workings of Apple and have a complete understanding of who was influencing what and when.

Just because Ive officially moved to a role at a certain date does not forgo the possibility of him having an influence elsewhere prior to that. Or that Apple was generally preparing to move in this direction prior to his appointment.

Think outside your little world just for a second. And for what it's worth, a surface level re-skinning alone with no structural changes could conceivably be pulled off in 6 months.

I agree that we'll get a new skin. It'll be flatter and cleaner but it won't be dramatic. Structurally, nothing major will change and it'll all be additive and iterative. They will build on what they've got rather than reinventing the wheel. Far too many casual users to do otherwise.
fivedots is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2013, 10:35 AM   #16
TimUSCA
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsWelshy View Post
I think something has been lost in translation here.

Is English your first language?
Are you kidding me right now? Yes, English is my first language. It is YOU that is communicating poorly. You're saying Ive's influence won't be heavy in iOS 7, and I'm saying you're wrong. It'll be all over iOS 7, as evidenced by WSJ.
TimUSCA is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2013, 10:35 AM   #17
Jare
macrumors 65816
 
Jare's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Canada
Welshy will be ready to eat his words in t minus 1:30 approx.
__________________
"Feels like I'm wearing NOTHING AT ALL!" - Stupid Sexy Flanders
iOS, OS X & Android Developer
13" MacBook Air, Space Grey iPhone 5S, Moto X, Google Glass Explorers Kit
Jare is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2013, 10:36 AM   #18
Silverrune
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsWelshy View Post
You think he can be a massive influence on software since Christmas? maybe for iOS8, not a chance for iOS7.
You'd be surprised what a very capable team can do in the time given, especially since they had hauled over people from OS X. They definitely "got **** done."

Last edited by Silverrune; Jun 10, 2013 at 10:42 AM.
Silverrune is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2013, 10:37 AM   #19
ItsWelshy
Thread Starter
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by fivedots View Post
I am glad that you are privy to the inner workings of Apple and have a complete understanding of who was influencing what and when.

Just because Ive officially moved to a role at a certain date does not forgo the possibility of him having an influence elsewhere prior to that. Or that Apple was generally preparing to move in this direction prior to his appointment.

Think outside your little head just for a second.
You think that Ive was working secretly behind Forstall's back? great company logic that is.

I've worked in software development for a long time, and in my experience (with some massive compaines) it's impossible to change a release schedule that much in the time available. It would an outragous risk, and one that no comapny would even attempt.
__________________
rMBP iPhone 5 64GB iPod Nano Time Capsule ATV 2
ItsWelshy is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2013, 10:38 AM   #20
cmChimera
macrumors 68000
 
cmChimera's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsWelshy View Post

A complete redesign, as in, removing the grid system from iOS and changing the way it works.

Windows 8 is probably the closest you'd come, but even that retained the well know desktop.
I disagree that that is the only way to have a fundamental change. So there you go. To use your terminology, I think Ive will have a substantial impact on the design of iOS 7. So do people that are far more informed than you.
cmChimera is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2013, 10:38 AM   #21
chrf097
macrumors 68030
 
chrf097's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Earth
Quote:
Originally Posted by jabingla2810 View Post
There won't ever be a complete redesign.

It till be a refinement, and it will probably be a bit "flatter", to use everybodies favourite word right now.

Look at OSX, its looked the same for over 10 years.

If Apple completely redesign it today, then what? Redesign it again in 5 years when everybody is "bored" of that?
Take a look at Mac OS 10.0.4 compared to Mac OS 10.8.4



vs.




Of course, there are similar design elements, but as you can tell, it's been heavily overhauled, while still being familiar to those who used the old version. There are similar elements, but it doesn't look the exactly the same, in fact it looks extremely different. It's very obvious a UI overhaul has occurred.

You can observe the change in the design of the iPhone too.



Original iPhone 2G



iPhone 5.


Now, they look similar because they both contain similar design cues, but the iPhone 5 is still a complete overhaul from the iPhone 2G.
__________________
13" Macbook Pro | Mac OS 10.10 | 2.4GHz Core i5 | 8 GB RAM | 500 GB
iPhone 6 | Gold | 16GB | iOS 8.0.2 | Verizon
iPad mini Retina | Space Gray | 16 GB WiFi | iOS 8.0.2

chrf097 is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2013, 10:38 AM   #22
Silverrune
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsWelshy View Post
You think that Ive was working secretly behind Forstall's back? great company logic that is.

I've worked in software development for a long time, and in my experience (with some massive compaines) it's impossible to change a release schedule that much in the time available. It would an outragous risk, and one that no comapny would even attempt.
It wouldn't have been behind his back, he probably knew he was being replaced and had to slowly give his job over to Ive's the company just made it official in december.
Silverrune is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2013, 10:39 AM   #23
fivedots
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsWelshy View Post
You think that Ive was working secretly behind Forstall's back? great company logic that is.
Not sure what world you live in, but senior roles are by no means mutually exclusive. You don't run full steam ahead with your ideas without input and consultation from your peers.
fivedots is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2013, 10:39 AM   #24
Jare
macrumors 65816
 
Jare's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Canada
Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsWelshy View Post
I've worked in software development for a long time, and in my experience (with some massive compaines)
Oh really? Because in this thread, I will quote you exactly:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1418699

Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsWelshy
I'm not massively IT savvy, and think there are potentially things that slow the machine down and rogue 'processes' ect.
Nice try, though.
__________________
"Feels like I'm wearing NOTHING AT ALL!" - Stupid Sexy Flanders
iOS, OS X & Android Developer
13" MacBook Air, Space Grey iPhone 5S, Moto X, Google Glass Explorers Kit
Jare is offline   8 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2013, 10:42 AM   #25
gmanist1000
macrumors 68020
 
gmanist1000's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrf097 View Post
Take a look at Mac OS 10.0.4 compared to Mac OS 10.8.4

Image

vs.

Image


Of course, there are similar design elements, but as you can tell, it's been heavily overhauled, while still being familiar to those who used the old version. There are similar elements, but it doesn't look the exactly the same, in fact it looks extremely different. It's very obvious a UI overhaul has occurred.

You can observe the change in the design of the iPhone too.

Image

Original iPhone 2G

Image

iPhone 5.


Now, they look similar because they both contain similar design cues, but the iPhone 5 is still a complete overhaul from the iPhone 2G.
Wow Mac OS X started with Internet Explorer?
gmanist1000 is offline   0 Reply With Quote

Reply
MacRumors Forums > iPhone, iPod and iPad > iOS > iOS 7

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Similar Threads
thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
All iPads: Can we all agree about Jony Ive macguy360 iPad 10 Oct 23, 2013 10:11 AM
Ive got 10.6.8... question about upgrading CBillups1 OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion 3 Sep 21, 2013 04:34 PM
Jony Ive redesigns everything Alfuh Wasteland 1 Jun 14, 2013 04:26 AM
How did Ive/Federighi do it? solidarity iOS 7 25 Jun 12, 2013 02:59 AM
Will we see Ive's influence in iOS 7? irDigital0l iOS 7 24 Dec 31, 2012 12:23 PM

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:37 AM.

Mac Rumors | Mac | iPhone | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Mobile Version | Fixed | Fluid | Fluid HD
Copyright 2002-2013, MacRumors.com, LLC