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Old Jun 22, 2013, 11:18 PM   #1
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10K Criminals to be released?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...95J17W20130620


Basically, California has had a prison overcrowding problem for a very long time. It was brought to the Federal Governments attention and the solution is to just let a few of them out early(10K), really early! Fortunately CA is fighting this.

Some of these people are going to be killers and rapists. These people have zero respect for the law and they are going to be let out to roam the streets again.
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Old Jun 22, 2013, 11:20 PM   #2
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I'm certain it'll be mostly drug offenders released early.
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Old Jun 22, 2013, 11:26 PM   #3
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I'm certain it'll be mostly drug offenders released early.
Oh Joy!

That makes me feel so much better knowing that I was stabbed and mugged by a repeat drug offender just looking for a little money for his first post release hit.
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Old Jun 22, 2013, 11:28 PM   #4
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Oh Joy!

That makes me feel so much better knowing that I was stabbed and mugged by a repeat drug offender just looking for a little money his first post release hit.
No I didn't mean it like that. Mostly pot offenders, and other people who couldn't afford a good lawyer.

Heck I don't know man. I hope it's not hardcore criminals.
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... Some of these people are going to be killers and rapists. These people have zero respect for the law and they are going to be let out to roam the streets again.
You say that with certainty, yet the article you linked to doesn't say anything about "killers and rapists" being freed.
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Old Jun 22, 2013, 11:55 PM   #7
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Oh Joy!

That makes me feel so much better knowing that I was stabbed and mugged by a repeat drug offender just looking for a little money for his first post release hit.
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...The judges said if current efforts to reduce crowding do not result in the state reaching a prison population target of 137.5 percent of capacity by the end of the year, the state must then free prisoners from a list of inmates at low risk of recidivism...

The legislation would, among other things, make it easier for inmates to be released on parole for medical reasons and establish a parole process for elderly inmates who are a low risk to the public, the state's court papers said...
The goal would be to release low-level offenders or those who constitute a low-risk to society because of their age, medical issues, or other qualities. In terms of drug offenders, this would not only mean people who used drugs (and are apparently seeking to knife somebody the first chance they get), but also people who were jailed for possession and sale.

There is another solution: California could raise taxes to fund the prison system in order to ensure that the population is being cared for under the Constitution, but since Calif. voters have hamstrung the state's government, they are releasing 10,000 prisoners.

This has been a long-run problem that has effectively been ignored by state.
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You say that with certainty, yet the article you linked to doesn't say anything about "killers and rapists" being freed.
It didn't and there won't be any; with the possible exception of very old prisoners in too poor of health to reoffend.
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Some of these people are going to be killers and rapists. These people have zero respect for the law and they are going to be let out to roam the streets again.
On the bright side that makes some room to lock up hysterical internet forum posters.
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On the bright side that makes some room to lock up hysterical internet forum posters.


The next time you see a shooting, murder or rape in the news listen to the end of the report. You will hear some short statement about how the accused has multiple criminal convictions. Remember NOT to ask yourself how someone with an extensive criminal record is still walking the streets.

Just blame it on the guns.
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The next time you see a shooting, murder or rape in the news listen to the end of the report. You will hear some short statement about how the accused has multiple criminal convictions.
That's why it's on the news. To stoke your sanctimony and inflame your indignation. To get you tuning in tomorrow for the next exciting rape or murder story. You are being played like a fiddle by the media.
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that's why it's on the news. To stoke your sanctimony and inflame your indignation. To get you tuning in tomorrow for the next exciting rape or murder story. You are being played like a fiddle by the media.
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The next time you see a shooting, murder or rape in the news listen to the end of the report. You will hear some short statement about how the accused has multiple criminal convictions. Remember NOT to ask yourself how someone with an extensive criminal record is still walking the streets.

Just blame it on the guns.
The recidivism rate dramatically declines as prisoners age. Playing around with BJS's Prisoner Recidivism Tool makes this clear. The rate for a man "Over 40" who spent more than four years in prison for homicide is 5.8 percent.

For comparison, men released prior to that metric are 59.4 percent likely to be rearrested and 21.7 percent likely to be re-incarcerated.

And, again, the California prison system isn't just going to open the gates and let out the first 10,000 prisoners, instead there's going to be an evaluation based on age, medical needs, and history of violence.

But, ultimately, this topic dodges a question, why is the California prison system so full and why are people continually satisfied with the squashing of the human rights of state prisoners?

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That's why it's on the news. To stoke your sanctimony and inflame your indignation. To get you tuning in tomorrow for the next exciting rape or murder story. You are being played like a fiddle by the media.
Media here. Do you really think the only reason Reuters covered this was to scare lostngone?

The panel of three federal judges may hold a state governor in contempt of court for failing to deal with the US Supreme Court ruling from 2011. This is an important story and though some outlets will sensationalize the issue (looking at you Fox News), the reporters got this one right.
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Do you really think the only reason Reuters covered this was to scare lostngone?
No that's not what I posted.
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No that's not what I posted.
Ah, never mind.

I misread your post.
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Ah, never mind.

I misread your post.
That's cool
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Probably the most significant part of this story is that those 10,000 people probably shouldn't have been locked up in the first place.
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Probably the most significant part of this story is that those 10,000 people probably shouldn't have been locked up in the first place.
This seems as good a place as any to drop this:

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Some of these people are going to be killers and rapists. These people have zero respect for the law and they are going to be let out to roam the streets again.
Source, please.

The general practice, as I understand t, is to release non-violent offenders. But if you have a credible source indicating to the contrary...I'm interested.
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Source, please.

The general practice, as I understand t, is to release non-violent offenders. But if you have a credible source indicating to the contrary...I'm interested.
The problem with the non violent offenders is that they learn things in prison and then become violent. This is how the cycle begins. They go in for a meaningless charge and come out hardened with no way to get a job because they are convicted convicts.
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The next time you see a shooting, murder or rape in the news listen to the end of the report. You will hear some short statement about how the accused has multiple criminal convictions. Remember NOT to ask yourself how someone with an extensive criminal record is still walking the streets.

Just blame it on the guns.
Adam Lanza had no criminal record. Neither did James Holmes, or the Boston bombers.
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The problem with the non violent offenders is that they learn things in prison and then become violent. This is how the cycle begins. They go in for a meaningless charge and come out hardened with no way to get a job because they are convicted convicts.
Since you posted your opinion I'll post mine; mine is based on personal experience in the Southern California justice system. If you are in prison you are a SERIOUS criminal offender.

Everytime I hear about prison (not jail) which requires at least a years sentence and "meaningless" or "victemless" (recreational drug use) crime I ask the person talking if they ever actually KNEW anyone who went to PRISON for recreational drug use - I've never found one person who did. My police department in Southern California didn't even write "infraction" (fine only) tickets for recreational use or possession if you were committing no other crime.

Here's the drug statistics kick; almost every criminal I arrested in the act of committing a felony had drugs either in their possession or in their system. The California judicial system, being what it is, makes it particularly hard to get a robbery, assault, burglary, or any other felony conviction, even when caught in the act. Prosecutors tend to PLEA bargain those charges down to the slam dunk drug charges.

Again: If you are in prison you are already a serious criminal ...... but that's just my opinion .

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Source, please.

The general practice, as I understand t, is to release non-violent offenders. But if you have a credible source indicating to the contrary...I'm interested.
That's right. Petty criminals who, under today's legal codes, often get convicted of felonies. For example, shoplifting can often be charged as felony "burglary". Then, with a felony conviction, about the only jobs available are low-skilled low-paying jobs. We've already devolved back into the Gilded Age. Dickens' "Little Dorrit", which seemed so dated when I was young, was the perfect BBC/PBS 2008 conclusion to the Bush era.
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Maybe its time to build more prisons....which should be a piece of cake in today's economy...
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