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Old Jun 30, 2013, 08:50 PM   #1
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Oh. My. God.

Just came back from the gas station, where apparently it's Black Friday.

Last week the price was somewhere around $3.89. This week it's dropped to $3.17, so what happens? The gas hoarders come out.

The lines at my particular place looked a little like those you saw back in the early '70s. Almost without exception, every car there filled up, then popped open the trunk to reveal four 5 gallon gas cans, which the drivers also filled.

There was even one guy with an open-backed truck (of the type which you normally see mercenaries with assault weapons piling out of on Burn Notice), and he apparently had the whole thing filled with gas cans. He must've been camped out at that pump for twenty minutes or more.

I'm sure glad I don't live next door to anybody like this. I hope these yokels are happy keeping twenty gallons of flammable explosive in their garages. I also hope they're careful with their barbecue grills and their firearms.
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Old Jun 30, 2013, 09:23 PM   #2
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I don't get the logic. Gas always comes come usually this time of year.
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Old Jun 30, 2013, 10:38 PM   #3
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Crazy, I'd take both of my cars to fill up but that is it.
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Old Jun 30, 2013, 10:52 PM   #4
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It's crazy what people will do to save a few bucks. Personally I don't have a huge problem with it, but it's definitely crazy.
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Old Jul 1, 2013, 01:41 AM   #5
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what fraction are also hoarding ammo?
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Old Jul 1, 2013, 10:15 AM   #6
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It's crazy what people will do to save a few bucks. Personally I don't have a huge problem with it, but it's definitely crazy.
And usually the effort is not worth the actual money saved which makes it totally illogical.
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Old Jul 1, 2013, 10:28 AM   #7
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I just see no point. Similarly, I see no point in driving further out of my way to save .5 to .10. My tank size that is no more than saving a couple of bucks. I value money, but maybe not enough to care about that savings. I guess if I am saving .50 then that is about $9.00 for me on my tank size. In that case, I guess it wouldn't be a terrible idea, but not so much that I want gallons of gas sitting in my garage. I feel too much can go wrong.
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A full tank - 28 gallons if I start from bone-dry - lasts me no more than about 4 work days. I'm gonna be buying gas later in the week anyway. No reason to hoard it.
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Old Jul 1, 2013, 11:02 AM   #9
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I'm sure glad I don't live next door to anybody like this. I hope these yokels are happy keeping twenty gallons of flammable explosive in their garages. I also hope they're careful with their barbecue grills and their firearms.
I wonder if any of your neighbors have any 80-gallon propane tanks for their gas-powered stoves. Do you feel the same way living next to them?
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Old Jul 1, 2013, 11:08 AM   #10
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I can't wait until the day EVs are commonplace and everyone can take off the shackles of the gas pump.


Full disclosure, I am holding a long position in TSLA.
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Oh. My. God.

Just came back from the gas station, where apparently it's Black Friday.

Last week the price was somewhere around $3.89. This week it's dropped to $3.17, so what happens? The gas hoarders come out.

The lines at my particular place looked a little like those you saw back in the early '70s. Almost without exception, every car there filled up, then popped open the trunk to reveal four 5 gallon gas cans, which the drivers also filled.

There was even one guy with an open-backed truck (of the type which you normally see mercenaries with assault weapons piling out of on Burn Notice), and he apparently had the whole thing filled with gas cans. He must've been camped out at that pump for twenty minutes or more.

I'm sure glad I don't live next door to anybody like this. I hope these yokels are happy keeping twenty gallons of flammable explosive in their garages. I also hope they're careful with their barbecue grills and their firearms.
Maybe they have boats and are buying the extra gas for recreational use.
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Old Jul 1, 2013, 12:29 PM   #12
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I dunno...4th of July is coming up. Maybe they are stocking up for their "Hey ya'll, watch this!" moment.
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Old Jul 1, 2013, 12:31 PM   #13
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I personally couldn't be bothered (let alone have the resources, time, or energy) to do that but if other people want to do that, then I don't care. Don't understand why you're getting so upset about it.
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what fraction are also hoarding ammo?
Ammo doesn't go bad. Gasoline on the other hand does.......
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I can't wait until the day EVs are commonplace and everyone can take off the shackles of the gas pump.


Full disclosure, I am holding a long position in TSLA.
Then you're shackled to your electric company.....

Electric is short term. I'm still in the belief that hydrogen fuel cells is the future. Just need a cleaner and efficient way in producing hydrogen. Batteries are filthy business.

But, Tesla's are beautiful cars.

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Ammo doesn't go bad. Gasoline on the other hand does.......
I'm willing to accept that the timescale on which the two 'go bad' are vastly different at least. But my curiosity is with regard to whether or not there is a correlation. :-)
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A full tank - 28 gallons if I start from bone-dry - lasts me no more than about 4 work days. I'm gonna be buying gas later in the week anyway. No reason to hoard it.
Yep. I have a 20 gallon tank from bone dry. That 20 gallons last me around a week at the rate I am going.

Worse thing I have ever done when gas priced dropped a long time ago when I lived with my parents is we went out and filled up all of the car and filled up both 5 gallon gas cans. To be fair all 5 of the cars at the house where at 3/8 of a tank at most and one of the gas cans where empty and the other almost was. The gas cans are used for the lawn equipment and the other my brother uses for dirt biking so is not like it will not get used.

The gas is also stored in the garage. If the unthinkable happens and it catches fire it will only burn down the garage as that is not attached to the house.
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I wonder if any of your neighbors have any 80-gallon propane tanks for their gas-powered stoves. Do you feel the same way living next to them?
I've never seen that around here...probably because our homeowners' association would never have it.

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Maybe they have boats and are buying the extra gas for recreational use.
From what I saw last night, we'd have to be living on a marina.

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The gas is also stored in the garage. If the unthinkable happens and it catches fire it will only burn down the garage as that is not attached to the house.
Interesting you mention that because just two weeks ago some guy was working on his car and somehow set the garage on fire. I'd hate to think what would've happened if there'd been so much gasoline in there...although I'm sure the explosion would've been magnificent.
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I usually have 10 gallon, give or take.

5 for the lawn mower, 5 for the generator, 2.5 for the mixed gas some of my yard equipment takes (40:1) and another 2.5 for the mix the rest of the yard equipment takes (50:1).

And before anyone points out the fact that it adds up to 15 gallon, I do realize that. All the cans are not usually full at the same time. I switch using the mower and generator cans and always keep one full so that the generator always has gas available should I need it. If the mixed cans run out I fill them from the 5 gallon ones and refill the 5 gallon ones later.
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Then you're shackled to your electric company.....

Electric is short term. I'm still in the belief that hydrogen fuel cells is the future. Just need a cleaner and efficient way in producing hydrogen. Batteries are filthy business.

But, Tesla's are beautiful cars.

Electricity is a lifetime commitment as it is as just about every electronic device we all own runs on electricity and will continue to do so in the foreseeable future. The real quandary that we find ourselves in is how to produce and store electricity in a cleaner manner than we're currently do so.

I would say that hydrogen fuel cell is vaporware. The issue with hydrogen is that it runs into the laws of thermodynamics. That is, you cannot generate more energy than you initially spend. Since the most abundant source of hydrogen on the planet is water, we have to spend energy to separate the hydrogen from oxygen. And if it takes for example electricity to perform the separation, why not just funnel the electricity directly to the device and skip the middle step?
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Electricity is a lifetime commitment as it is as just about every electronic device we all own runs on electricity and will continue to do so in the foreseeable future. The real quandary that we find ourselves in is how to produce and store electricity in a cleaner manner than we're currently do so.

I would say that hydrogen fuel cell is vaporware. The issue with hydrogen is that it runs into the laws of thermodynamics. That is, you cannot generate more energy than you initially spend. Since the most abundant source of hydrogen on the planet is water, we have to spend energy to separate the hydrogen from oxygen. And if it takes for example electricity to perform the separation, why not just funnel the electricity directly to the device and skip the middle step?
Got to make a cleaner way to store the electricity. Mining for nickel and lithium is extremely dirty and disposing of worn out batteries are another issue. Not to mention the ability to recharge the batteries in 5 minutes without murdering the batteries health.
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Got to make a cleaner way to store the electricity. Mining for nickel and lithium is extremely dirty and disposing of worn out batteries are another issue. Not to mention the ability to recharge the batteries in 5 minutes without murdering the batteries health.

We'll just have to create one of these then:





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I wonder if any of your neighbors have any 80-gallon propane tanks for their gas-powered stoves. Do you feel the same way living next to them?
I have a 1,000 gallon propane tank buried on one side of the house and a 500 gallon buried on the other. I also have 30 gallons of gas in the barn, as others have said for lawn mowers, leaf blowers, ATVs, and the like.

Yeah, no HOA here. I moved away from that lunacy and will not be going back.
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Not sure where you live, but I'm in Louisiana, and when hurricane season rolls around we usually have 20 - 25 gallons of gas on hand for the generator. That keeps our generator running for about 2.5 days. It's definitely worth it to keep my grandparents' house at a decent temperature when it could be 95+ degrees outside and to keep the freezers running. Apparently, it is a Louisiana or southern thing to have so much frozen food on hand but we lost around 500 - 600 dollars after Katrina because of all the food we threw away.

If we don't need the gas for the generator then we throw some fuel stabilizer in it and use it for lawnmower, weed eater, etc.
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