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Old Jul 17, 2013, 07:19 PM   #1
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Apple to Team Up With Tech Companies to Ask for Greater NSA Transparency




Apple is joining forces with Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Twitter, and several other technology companies and civil liberties groups to request via letter that the U.S. government offer greater surveillance transparency, allowing Internet, telephone, and Web-based service providers to give consumers regular reports on security related requests, reports AllThingsD.
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"Basic information about how the government uses its various law enforcement-related investigative authorities has been published for years without any apparent disruption to criminal investigations," a copy of the letter obtained by AllThingsD reads. "We seek permission for the same information to be made available regarding the government's national security-related authorities."
The alliance is made up of 63 different companies, investors, non-profits, and trade organizations that will publish a missive on Thursday asking President Obama and congressional leaders to allow them to report on the following:
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-The number of government requests for information about their users
-The number of individuals, accounts, or devices for which information was requested
-The number of requests that sought communications content, basic subscriber information, and/or other information.
The request comes after news of a top secret intelligence gathering program called 'PRISM' leaked in June, where a number of tech companies, including Apple, were accused of providing the U.S. government with direct access to user data.

Apple later clarified its position with a statement of its "Commitment to Customer Privacy," denying participation in PRISM and noting that the company conducts a thorough evaluation of each law enforcement request for data and aims to "retrieve and deliver the narrowest possible set of information to the authorities."

Update: The full letter has now been published. Direct link: [PDF]

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Old Jul 17, 2013, 07:21 PM   #2
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The NSA? Transparent? They make the FBI look like blabber mouths. Good luck.
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Seems like a good idea. Still think the government is like an overly attached girlfriend.

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That's a good start, but I think we need a major overhaul of the Patriotic Act and the FISA court. I'm glad the American public is starting to understand what us Libertarians have been screaming about for years..
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Old Jul 17, 2013, 07:31 PM   #6
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It's for publicity. "Hey look guys, we're cool!"

Also, showing how many users are being monitored? So what?

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Old Jul 17, 2013, 07:32 PM   #7
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Good, because I don't want my por... Er..... Wireless bill to be monitored.
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That's a good start, but I think we need a major overhaul of the Patriotic Act and the FISA court. I'm glad the American public is starting to understand what us Libertarians have been screaming about for years..
Understanding comes from hardship. The entire western world has been fortunate enough to live in the lap of luxury for a long time now. We don't really understand what it means to have freedoms taken away. Hopefully we never find out, but the trend is frightening.
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Old Jul 17, 2013, 07:35 PM   #9
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The government needs to be operating above board. All these excuses about why they need to have secret laws with secret courts is not justified.

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That's a good start, but I think we need a major overhaul of the Patriotic Act and the FISA court. I'm glad the American public is starting to understand what us Libertarians have been screaming about for years..
What about liberals have been screaming about for years? Liberals were screaming about the patriot act since before it was even passed.
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Yeah right, the net result of this will be a big fat 0.
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The government needs to be operating above board. All these excuses about why they need to have secret laws with secret courts is not justified.
The government gets away with a lot. Extortion, murder, illegal surveillance, etc. It's all okay if the government's doing it, but if I were to, I'd be locked up. We have a long way to go for the government to be operating "above board".
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ZOMG! A strongly-worded letter?

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ZOMG! A strongly-worded letter?

Big Brother must be shaking in his boots!
Exactly. And any publicly made promises count for squat when they decide to do whatever the hell they want to anyways.
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Having an iPhone app with full access to PRISM would be a great seller. No, this is not sarcasm.
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Apple is joining forces with Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Twitter, and several other technology companies and civil liberties groups to request via letter that the U.S. government offer greater surveillance transparency, allowing Internet, telephone, and Web-based service providers to give consumers regular reports on security related requests
One cannot sue the government or its subdivisions unless permission is granted by the "person" being sued. Thus the term "via letter". At least for now nobody has to give permission to send a letter. Well certain letters on certain subjects anyway . . . . . . . .

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Damage control.
Essentially. But the damage they are controlling was caused by rash accusations that these companies have their servers plugged directly into the NSA. The only way they can counter that accusation is for the government to give them some cover to disclose how often they make requests for records.

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Because corporations in the USA don't get what they want from the federal government?
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We need clarity

I hope these tech companies are allowed to honestly report their level of involvement with the NSA.

I won't be buying anything from Apple, or any other company mentioned in the leaked slides until I find out what's been going on.
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Must be the closer collaboration that Eric Schmidt was talking about. LOL
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What about liberals have been screaming about for years? Liberals were screaming about the patriot act since before it was even passed.
Liberals WERE screaming about it for years, and rightly so. They screamed about it right up until January 19th, 2009. Most don't care about the PATRIOT Act or the FISA courts now that a Dem is POTUS. You still have a number of more introspective progressives at EFF and the ACLU who realize that kind of power shouldn't be at the disposal of ANYONE in the government, regardless of party. Many rank-and-file liberals just don't care now that its Obama who wields the stick.
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... Because corporations in the USA don't get what they want from the federal government?
Both the government and corporations are in the business of collecting "big data" on every person on the planet. The corporate overlords would probably greatly prefer that the government "privatize" the process so that the task of "keeping America safe" could become yet another profit-making corporate venture.
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Liberals WERE screaming about it for years, and rightly so. They screamed about it right up until January 19th, 2009. Most don't care about the PATRIOT Act or the FISA courts now that a Dem is POTUS. You still have a number of more introspective progressives at EFF and the ACLU who realize that kind of power shouldn't be at the disposal of ANYONE in the government, regardless of party. Many rank-and-file liberals just don't care now that its Obama who wields the stick.
That is certainly the problem with blind partisanship, on both sides. PRISM was started under Bush, and greatly expanded under Obama. It was a knee-jerk reaction to September 11, and should have been fought by everyone. Alas, as you say, most just toed the party line.
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That's all nice and well, but Google (and a few other companies) have published so-called "transparency reports" for a long time ... and then we learned from the Snowden leaks that they were missing all of the "national security"-related requests and were thus not transparent at all. How can they expect people to trust in whatever new numbers they cook up?
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