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Old Aug 5, 2013, 09:12 AM   #1
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Samsung Loses $1 Billion in Market Value After U.S. Veto on Apple Ban, Files Appeal Against Patent Ruling




After the Obama administration vetoed a partial ban on the import and sale of some Apple products, Samsung announced that it has been granted a hearing in a US appeals court next year against the original ruling, as reported by the Financial Times. Concurrently, The Wall Street Journal reports that Samsung has lost $1 billion in market value after the weekend veto. The South Korean government has also criticized the decision, saying it had "concern over the possible negative impacts that this kind of decision could have on Samsung Electronics' patent rights".

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Samsung revealed on Monday that it had filed a court appeal on July 18 against the original ITC finding, because the ITC ruled that Apple had infringed only one patent, rather than finding in favour of Samsung on all four patents it had claimed were violated.

The appeal was filed at the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit in Washington, a Samsung spokesman said, adding that an oral hearing was scheduled for the first quarter of next year.
Originally, the ban of Apple products was granted back in June in response to a ruling made by the USITC (United States International Trade Commission) and applied to AT&T models of the iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS, as well as the 3G models of the iPad and iPad 2. The USITC ruled that all four products infringed on a Samsung patent, specifically Patent No. 7,706,348, titled "Apparatus and method for encoding/decoding transport format combination indicator in CDMA mobile communication system."

Apple and Samsung have been in a long, ongoing legal battle that started in 2011, with the first U.S. trial awarding $1 billion to Apple in 2012. However, a judge voided nearly half of that amount in March, and a new trial between the two companies is set for November of this year.

Article Link: Samsung Loses $1 Billion in Market Value After U.S. Veto on Apple Ban, Files Appeal Against Patent Ruling
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Old Aug 5, 2013, 09:14 AM   #2
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This whole affair needs to stop now. It's so childish.
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Old Aug 5, 2013, 09:15 AM   #3
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Samsung needs to give up.
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This is one ugly battle.
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What's a billion dollars here and there between frenemies?
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Old Aug 5, 2013, 09:21 AM   #6
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I don't even understand how this is a big deal.. Those iPads are obsolete, so is the iPhone 3G, 3GS, and the 4 will be as well in a few weeks.
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Old Aug 5, 2013, 09:23 AM   #7
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Not surprised. The veto was a really, really stupid thing to do. These devices aren't on sale anymore, with the exception of the iPhone 4 which is soon to be redundant too. It looks like Apple is being uniquely protected by the American government - its the sort of thing you might expect of a news report out of China, not the States.

Laws are laws; whether the patent battles are silly or not, a judge rules that a sales ban was necessary and the US government just went over their heads.
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Old Aug 5, 2013, 09:24 AM   #8
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What did samsung expect? From Apple news lately we all know several governments in the US started using Apple products in bulk. So a ban would kind of not work out well in that regard?
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Old Aug 5, 2013, 09:24 AM   #9
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I think it is more a reaction to that Samsung's future SEP litigations will also fail.
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Old Aug 5, 2013, 09:24 AM   #10
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They may have bamboozled the courts, but Samsung's obvious copying of the iPhone/iPad have finally come to bite them in the ass.

Karma's a bitch.
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What's a billion dollars here and there between frenemies?
I think you mean FRANDemies.
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Not surprised. The veto was a really, really stupid thing to do. These devices aren't on sale anymore, with the exception of the iPhone 4 which is soon to be redundant too. It looks like Apple is being uniquely protected by the American government - its the sort of thing you might expect of a news report out of China, not the States.

Laws are laws; whether the patent battles are silly or not, a judge rules that a sales ban was necessary and the US government just went over their heads.
The power to veto is also part of the laws of the land. Checks and balances or something
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Not surprised. The veto was a really, really stupid thing to do. These devices aren't on sale anymore, with the exception of the iPhone 4 which is soon to be redundant too. It looks like Apple is being uniquely protected by the American government - its the sort of thing you might expect of a news report out of China, not the States.

Laws are laws; whether the patent battles are silly or not, a judge rules that a sales ban was necessary and the US government just went over their heads.
You don't think South Korea protects their industries too? South Korea, China, Japan, etc are all very protective of their industries.

And the US has protected their industries too. Steel companies, airline industry, the automotive industry(chicken tax and the bailouts), etc.

This wasn't simply the government giving Apple special treatment.
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Not surprised. The veto was a really, really stupid thing to do. These devices aren't on sale anymore, with the exception of the iPhone 4 which is soon to be redundant too. It looks like Apple is being uniquely protected by the American government - its the sort of thing you might expect of a news report out of China, not the States.

Laws are laws; whether the patent battles are silly or not, a judge rules that a sales ban was necessary and the US government just went over their heads.
You seem to think that the US government acted somehow outside the law. But what they did was actually exactly what they are supposed to do: When the USITC makes a decision, it is actually up to the government to either accept or reject the decision.

You should also note the fact that in the EU, Samsung was threatened with major (multi billion dollar) fines if they should attempt to ban iOS devices over standard essential patents, which is exactly what they managed to do in the USA. If Samsung had gone to a German or French equivalent of the ITC and not the US one, _Samsung_ would have received a major fine.

But someone else found what is likely the reason for the government rejection of the ITC decision which you can check out at here:

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/08/...g-itc-pinkert/

Dissenting opinion by one of the ITC judges involved. According to this, the ITC decision was very, very wrong in the first place.
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Samsung can hit back

Since Samsung has become the supplier of Apple again, can they find another way of dealing with apple?
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Old Aug 5, 2013, 09:38 AM   #16
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They may have bamboozled the courts, but Samsung's obvious copying of the iPhone/iPad have finally come to bite them in the ass.

Karma's a bitch.
It's the opposite. Apple's suing Samsung came back and bit them in the ass with this ITC ruling, but due to unknown behind the scenes dealings the President showed that Apple is above the law. This will not go down well with a lot of people and at the end, it will hurt Apple more than you'd think.
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So how long until this thread turns into a political battle and gets closed too then? You know seeing as it invites people to breach the Mac Rumors rules by discussing politics in news articles?
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Oh good grief. Samsung stock was down ~1% today. Big deal. Apple had lost billions in market value in a single day for no reason many times. This really is a non story.
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Old Aug 5, 2013, 09:40 AM   #19
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I think you mean FRANDemies.
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Well lets face it, you have to protect YOUR companies. Who else would supply NSA/CIA and other agencies with all those personal information
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MOD NOTE: This thread is not in PRSI. If you wish do make politically charged posts about this, please start a new thread there.

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It's the opposite. Apple's suing Samsung came back and bit them in the ass with this ITC ruling, but due to unknown behind the scenes dealings the President showed that Apple is above the law. This will not go down well with a lot of people and at the end, it will hurt Apple more than you'd think.
Sigh, the president hasn't done anything, it was his ADMINISTRATION who dealt with it all, and over on 9to5mac they are already discussing how Apple is actually falling out with the White House with incidents like its fixed eBook pricing scandal, Apple is continuing to refuse to back down and settle and that is already biting them in the arse.
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Since Samsung has become the supplier of Apple again, can they find another way of dealing with apple?
I wouldn't be surprised if they put malicious code in iPad processors.
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And how are we supposed to know what you mods consider, overtly political then? Its an article involving the US government and Apple but speaking about politics in a news article is a breach of your rules? Maybe a suggestion is to move this article into the correct place on the website?
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Not surprised. The veto was a really, really stupid thing to do. These devices aren't on sale anymore, with the exception of the iPhone 4 which is soon to be redundant too. It looks like Apple is being uniquely protected by the American government - its the sort of thing you might expect of a news report out of China, not the States.

Laws are laws; whether the patent battles are silly or not, a judge rules that a sales ban was necessary and the US government just went over their heads.
Then the judges should follow the law. But to stay on topic 1 billion is a drop in the bucket for Samsung.
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