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Old Aug 7, 2013, 09:56 AM   #1
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Is a new Apple TV coming out this year?

I'm looking to buy an apple tv next month, but if a new one is coming out before november or so I'd be willing to wait. Anyone know if a new one is definitely coming out? I checked the buyers guide and they seem to think so but tried googling and didnt come up with anything definitive
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Old Aug 7, 2013, 10:15 AM   #2
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tried googling and didnt come up with anything definitive
You got the first step covered. As with the majority of Apple products, the second step is purchasing and consulting the product found here: http://service.mattel.com/us/product...zles&Cat=Games
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Old Aug 7, 2013, 10:18 AM   #3
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I doubt an all new one is coming out soon. The current one feels very underutilized in its current state. It was nice to finally get some new streaming options on the AppleTV recently though.
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Old Aug 7, 2013, 10:27 AM   #4
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I'd be happy with an update that hid unused icons.
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Old Aug 7, 2013, 10:28 AM   #5
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I'd be happy with an update that hid unused icons.
You can hide all icons by using options in parental controls.
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Old Aug 7, 2013, 10:33 AM   #6
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You can hide all icons by using options in parental controls.
OK, I feel silly for not knowing that but feel pretty good about not having to see all those icons again. Thanks!
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Old Aug 7, 2013, 10:35 AM   #7
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OK, I feel silly for not knowing that but feel pretty good about not having to see all those icons again. Thanks!
No need to feel silly. It's not exactly obvious.
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Old Aug 7, 2013, 10:43 AM   #8
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The current one feels very underutilized in its current state.
I disagree. Streaming stutters more than on pc/xbox/ps3 clients for the same services with the same high speed internet and same network type. Local network and airplay work fine. The product would benefit from better buffer management for a better streaming experience. I don't think test labs for this product cover as many real world conditions as they need to indicating room for improvement.

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OK, I feel silly for not knowing that but feel pretty good about not having to see all those icons again. Thanks!
Who looks under parental controls for a general settings item that pertains to everybody?
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Old Aug 7, 2013, 10:48 AM   #9
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I disagree. Streaming stutters more than on pc/xbox/ps3 clients for the same services with the same high speed internet and same network type. Local network and airplay work fine. The product would benefit from better buffer management for a better streaming experience. I don't think test labs for this product cover as many real world conditions as they need to indicating room for improvement.

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Curiously, I have never had a download from YouTube/Vimeo have a stuttering problem. Don't use Netflix or Hulu, so I can't speak to them. I really wonder if it's more of an app problem vs an aTV hardware problem that causes stuttering, since the apps are specific to the client.
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Old Aug 7, 2013, 10:52 AM   #10
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I disagree. Streaming stutters more than on pc/xbox/ps3 clients for the same services with the same high speed internet and same network type. Local network and airplay work fine. The product would benefit from better buffer management for a better streaming experience. I don't think test labs for this product cover as many real world conditions as they need to indicating room for improvement.

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I leave mine streaming sometimes for 12 hours straight on Crunchyroll. What I did notice was a bit of a quality lag for the first 10-15 seconds of an episode when it autoplays, then it cleans itself up to 1080p for the rest of the episode.
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Old Aug 7, 2013, 11:05 AM   #11
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The only thing I would love to see is something akin to an Apple TV Extreme, where there is a built in 2TB HD in it that can house downloaded content.

On a software side, an App Store and upgraded audio, like Dolby Digital Plus. If WalMart can put that on Vudu, a tech company that sees itself as a leader sure can...
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Old Aug 7, 2013, 01:32 PM   #12
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The only thing I would love to see is something akin to an Apple TV Extreme, where there is a built in 2TB HD in it that can house downloaded content.
Sounds like original Apple TV.
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Old Aug 7, 2013, 02:03 PM   #13
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Sounds like original Apple TV.
What about an Apple TV with built in iTunes so you don't need the computer running and a USB port for external drive
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Old Aug 7, 2013, 02:40 PM   #14
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I disagree. Streaming stutters more than on pc/xbox/ps3 clients for the same services with the same high speed internet and same network type. Local network and airplay work fine. The product would benefit from better buffer management for a better streaming experience. I don't think test labs for this product cover as many real world conditions as they need to indicating room for improvement.

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Mine works better than my Xbox/pc/ps3. All of the apps stream extremely well on my setup. Netflix and YouTube most notably function better than i expected. While i will agree there is room for improvement in the selection of apps and location of some of the controls (sleep and restart come to mind), i really dig my Apple TV. I would love to see an App Store for the Apple TV and a revision of the interface. But for what it is, mine works almost flawlessly.
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Old Aug 7, 2013, 02:47 PM   #15
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I disagree. Streaming stutters more than on pc/xbox/ps3 clients for the same services with the same high speed internet and same network type. Local network and airplay work fine. The product would benefit from better buffer management for a better streaming experience. I don't think test labs for this product cover as many real world conditions as they need to indicating room for improvement.[COLOR="#808080"]?
Can't comment on Xbox or PS3, but my AppleTV is better than my Blu-Ray, my "Smart"TV, and my Wii for streaming video and on par with any of my Macs.....

Based on the responses in this thread, are you sure it is the AppleTV? Is it possible the AppleTV does less buffering than say the PS3 or Xbox and maybe your internet connection isn't as good as you think it is thus the limited buffering is rearing its ugly head?
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Old Aug 8, 2013, 08:37 AM   #16
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Based on the responses in this thread, are you sure it is the AppleTV? Is it possible the AppleTV does less buffering than say the PS3 or Xbox and maybe your internet connection isn't as good as you think it is thus the limited buffering is rearing its ugly head?
Yes real real world, not perfect world. I didn't claim internet connection is good, or bad for that matter. I have not run a latency or lost packet check but now I'm curious what Comcast may be doing to the connection.

Buffering is designed for network problems. The ATVs here decide that after a set amount of empty buffer errors they permanently change video quality for the playing video instead of ramping back up when network conditions improve. I've had better luck with clients on other machines behaving better on recovery, especially for Netflix which I've dropped for lack of content.
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Old Aug 8, 2013, 08:57 AM   #17
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I really wonder if it's more of an app problem vs an aTV hardware problem that causes stuttering, since the apps are specific to the client.
Could be. I've noticed problems with Netflix and iTunes cloud streaming. Business wise it makes sense for Apple to 'accidentally' have a bad Netflix app but not the iTunes app too. The occasional iTunes cloud streaming problem may be more a HDMI encoding problem specific to ATV. I'm not sure. Video sometimes stutters like dropped frames in a silent movie but audio is left intact. The same content plays in iTunes without any problem on a Mac-Mini to the TV HDMI.
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Old Aug 9, 2013, 01:15 PM   #18
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The last time Apple updated Apple TV it was to support compressed 1080p content. I expect the next hardware update will be for the purpose of supporting 4K content and will include three changes: support for 802.11ac, A6 rather than A5 chip, and either 16GB or 32GB of flash rather than 8GB. I expect the release will come when Apple sign a deal for 4K iTunes content with one of the major studies. Probably not this year.
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Old Aug 9, 2013, 01:29 PM   #19
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Could be. I've noticed problems with Netflix and iTunes cloud streaming. Business wise it makes sense for Apple to 'accidentally' have a bad Netflix app but not the iTunes app too. The occasional iTunes cloud streaming problem may be more a HDMI encoding problem specific to ATV. I'm not sure. Video sometimes stutters like dropped frames in a silent movie but audio is left intact. The same content plays in iTunes without any problem on a Mac-Mini to the TV HDMI.
I think Netflix develops their own app for the aTV (and other systems). So if there is something inadequate, it's comes from Netflix.
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Old Aug 9, 2013, 02:11 PM   #20
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I've seen it noted in other threads that the "silent" spec bump back in the spring required enough retooling of manufacturing that it would seem pointless to do it for only a few months. From that, figure it's unlikely that new hardware will be out before next spring, maybe late winter at the earliest.

There will, of course, be an OS update with iOS 7, but that doesn't go into whether or not you should buy it now.
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Old Aug 9, 2013, 03:42 PM   #21
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I've seen it noted in other threads that the "silent" spec bump back in the spring required enough retooling of manufacturing that it would seem pointless to do it for only a few months. From that, figure it's unlikely that new hardware will be out before next spring, maybe late winter at the earliest.

There will, of course, be an OS update with iOS 7, but that doesn't go into whether or not you should buy it now.
what was the silent spec bump?
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Old Aug 14, 2013, 01:42 AM   #22
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what was the silent spec bump?
A new A5 chip , made it smaller & better I believe
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Old Aug 14, 2013, 03:02 AM   #23
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A new A5 chip , made it smaller & better I believe
Thanks.
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Old Aug 15, 2013, 03:44 AM   #24
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Does chrome caste mean current Apple TV should shrink?
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Old Aug 15, 2013, 05:52 AM   #25
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Aside from Airplay, the Apple TV 3 is the most useless of the TV boxes. We used ours for, well, YouTube cartoons for the kids. Nothing else on it is remotely useful to me. iPlayer? 4od? Lovefilm? ITV player? Can I plug in an HD full of movies? Why do I always want to be streaming stuff from iTunes on a Mac?

Get a cheap and nasty Android Droidbox that at least opens up a world of content, must like the jailbroken ATV 2s, or just find some small discrete device that runs XBMC well.
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