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Old Aug 9, 2013, 07:30 AM   #1
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White People and Europeans STILL Prejudice

I know that not EVERYONE knows who Oprah is, but how in the world could someone just assume that this person or that person couldn't afford something?

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...g-8753660.html

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"I go into a store and I say to the woman, 'Excuse me, may I see the bag right above your head?' and she says to me, 'No. It's too expensive.'"

When Winfrey insisted she did want to see the bag the shop assistant allegedly replied: "No, no you don’t want to see that one, you want to see this one because that one will cost too much. You will not be able to afford that."
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Old Aug 9, 2013, 07:38 AM   #2
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Old Aug 9, 2013, 07:40 AM   #3
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White People and Europeans STILL Prejudice
Wait...this comes as news to you...that racial prejudice and stereotyping still exists!?

Just check out some of the posts on this sub forum any time, any day for wonderful examples of racial stereotyping.
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Old Aug 9, 2013, 07:41 AM   #4
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Hey! I'm white AND European!

Maybe the guy based on something other than her skin colour, I don't know. If that isn't the case, then it only goes to show that stereotypes and prejudice still exists in our world. No shocker there.

Random, irrelevant sidenote: I dislike Oprah.
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Old Aug 9, 2013, 07:41 AM   #5
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You'll have to talk with the shopkeeper and figure out their thought process to answer that question. Believe it or not, people have reasons for their actions, perhaps borne through ignorance, prejudice, or just being *******s. Don't judge without a full understanding.
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Old Aug 9, 2013, 07:44 AM   #6
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All groups of human beings regardless of skin color tend to be prejudice. It's in our nature.
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Old Aug 9, 2013, 07:46 AM   #7
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I dislike Oprah.
Don'y worry, I do too.

It is weird though that someone would deny someone a sale in what appears to be some ultra high end boutique shop. It'd really be like going into an Apple store, asking for the top end Retina, and having the Specialist tell you that you can't afford it.
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Old Aug 9, 2013, 07:48 AM   #8
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Sounds like she ripped off a scene from Pretty Woman to get her face in the papers

Racism is rife though, I couldn't deny it. There seems to have been a big push in activity from far-right groups across Europe in recent years.
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Old Aug 9, 2013, 07:56 AM   #9
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We have racism problems all over the world. Forgive me if I can't really get all upset over Oprah being denied looking at a (probably) $1,000 handbag.
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Old Aug 9, 2013, 08:45 AM   #10
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Why the baited thread title? There are plenty of people other than whites and Europeans who are also racist.
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Old Aug 9, 2013, 08:52 AM   #11
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Why the baited thread title? There are plenty of people other than whites and Europeans who are also racist.
Plenty, but not too many that act on their feelings with laws that hinder, or apathy that lets laws exist. Racism from the bottom up has been a tired argument for some time now.

Baited thread title? Are you new to PRSI?
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Old Aug 9, 2013, 09:27 AM   #12
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Thread title is prejudiced.

Newsflash: Many PEOPLE are prejudiced.

Whether they are black, white yellow or whatever.

Unless people stop classifying each other by colour this will continue.

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Plenty, but not too many that act on their feelings with laws that hinder, or apathy that lets laws exist.
You totally missed the point. The thread title is racist, and your assertion that "not too many" (of the others) act on their feelings is complete racist speculation/bias on your part.
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Old Aug 9, 2013, 09:30 AM   #13
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The other side of the story.

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Shop owner Trudie Gotz told the BBC that Winfrey was "absolutely allowed" to look at the $35,000 (£22,500) bag, which was kept behind a screen.

"My salesperson wanted to give her the handbag in her hand. But she didn't want to take the bag," claimed Gotz.

She said her assistant had worked in the Trois Pommes store "for a few years and takes care of the most spoilt customers from all over the world", adding, "she is really a correct sales person".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-23633768
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Thread title is prejudiced.

Newsflash: Many PEOPLE are prejudiced.

Whether they are black, white yellow or whatever.

Unless people stop classifying each other by colour this will continue.
True.

Which is a refreshing admission seeing how many like to believe we live in a post-racial society.

The next step is to admit that whites still dominate the power structure of politics, education and business.

That disparity of power, plus the admitted prejudice of race, still equals an unfair playing field for minorities.
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Unless people stop classifying each other by colour this will continue.
Total garbage.

That's like saying, people need to stop classifying each other by sex, or nationality, etc.

Did you not think that kind of statement through?
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Did you not think that kind of statement through?
Yes, I did think it through (did you?), and yes, we as a global community DO need to stop classifying each other and making laws and assumptions based on race, gender or nationality. That goes both for poor treatment AND favourable treatment.

Until we start treating PEOPLE equally and base things like legal aid, handouts, etc on actual NEED, without any consideration for where you were born or what race you are, the world will continue to be overrun with terrorism, war, etc.

Your race, sex or nationality should have ZERO bearing on how you are treated as a human being. INCLUDING how you are classified and labelled in a thread title.

Writing this title like that, you are no different to the people you started this thread to whine about. You lumped both an ethnic group and an entire continent's population (all up, several hundred million people at least) together into one stereotype based on the actions of a single person.


Unless people get with the program, we're going to end up nuking each other fighting over the last scraps of resources on this rock, rather than actually making progress and figuring out how to survive the next hundred years or so.


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I'm not saying it is easy. Not being a racist is hard. We've mostly been brought up that way and our own race has subliminally conditioned us to be wary of others and wary of outsiders/foreigners (whether you are black white or other this is likely the case). Back in tribal times, this was probably appropriate. But not any more.
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I wouldn't be so keen to dismiss language and the power of labeling. Memes, visual ones ,that we have now in the internet - are an extension of labeling. You can't deny how powerful memes are are spreading stereotypes and racial hatred.

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Writing this title like that, you are no different to the people you started this thread to whine about. You lumped both an ethnic group and an entire continent's population together into one stereotype based on the actions of a single person.



Well said. The OP does not help his cause by using such a ridiculous anecdote.
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Your race, sex or nationality should have ZERO bearing on how you are treated as a human being. INCLUDING how you are classified and labelled in a thread title.
Should have ... but it doesn't.

And your wish for human beings to behave perfectly won't be realized for — in my estimation — many, many, many more generations.

So in the intervening years before race has ZERO bearing, is there anything that can or should be done in the attempt to compensate for human fallibility?

Of do we just say, "deal with it"?
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Should have ... but it doesn't.

And your wish for human beings to behave perfectly won't be realized for — in my estimation — many, many, many more generations.

So in the intervening years before race has ZERO bearing, is there anything that can or should be done in the attempt to compensate for human fallibility?

Of do we just say, "deal with it"?
Agreed.

All we can do is point out the hypocrisy when it happens such as in cases like this, and make people THINK about what they are doing/saying.

Personally i hold out very little hope for the human race surviving until 2100-2200 or so. We're just not very nice as a whole.


And yes, I have been/have made racist decisions before. I'm no saint. As I said it is hard. And it could even be something as simple as veering away from the <insert colour> person in a crowd towards someone of your own race because you felt less comfortable around them.

THAT is still racist.

We've been conditioned that way, and our governments don't help matters. A divided population is much easier to control.
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Should have ... but it doesn't.

And your wish for human beings to behave perfectly won't be realized for — in my estimation — many, many, many more generations.

So in the intervening years before race has ZERO bearing, is there anything that can or should be done in the attempt to compensate for human fallibility?

Of do we just say, "deal with it"?
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THAT is still racist.

We've been conditioned that way, and our governments don't help matters. A divided population is much easier to control.
Agreed as well. And yes, there will come a time for an entirely homogeneous society, but to fight the conditioning, we will have to let folk know that we are different, and it's not for us to deny the difference, but to embrace and to respect it.
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All we can do is point out the hypocrisy when it happens such as in cases like this, and make people THINK about what they are doing/saying.
Being able to admit that the problem exists is IMO an important step, even if there is no viable solution for it.
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we will have to let folk know that we are different, and it's not for us to deny the difference, but to embrace and to respect it.
I don't think you need to "let people know you are different". People can see if you're different already.

My point isn't that everybody should BE the same, it is that what you are shouldn't matter. You're still HUMAN.
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I don't think you need to "let people know you are different". People can see if you're different already.

My point isn't that everybody should BE the same, it is that what you are shouldn't matter. You're still HUMAN.
I know that's your point. I am simply adding the notion that we should all respect what we and others are as well. I know that "respect" at times (for some odd reason) means a number of different things to different people at different times.
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Writing this title like that, you are no different to the people you started this thread to whine about. You lumped both an ethnic group and an entire continent's population (all up, several hundred million people at least) together into one stereotype based on the actions of a single person.
Yep, Al and Jesse would be proud of this thread title.
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