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Old Aug 12, 2013, 09:40 AM   #1
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Sharia Law comes to Tennessee

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NEWPORT, Tenn. (AP) — A judge in Tennessee changed a 7-month-old boy’s name to Martin from Messiah, saying the religious name was earned by one person and “that one person is Jesus Christ.”

Child Support Magistrate Lu Ann Ballew ordered the name change last week, according to WBIR-TV. The boy’s parents were in court because they could not agree on the child’s last name, but when the judge heard the boy’s first name, she ordered it changed, too.

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Ballew said the name Messiah could cause problems if the child grows up in Cocke County, which has a large Christian population.

“The word Messiah is a title and it’s a title that has only been earned by one person and that one person is Jesus Christ,” the judge said.
This is the sort of crap all of these anti-Sharia law laws are supposed to prevent - judges using their religious beliefs to decide rulings. But I guess it's OK if you're a Christian

Also, I'm not sure that Judge Ballew in Cocke County has any right to be concerned with someone else's name - maybe she should rule that the county should be renamed first. And yes, it's pronounced exactly how you think it is:

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Old Aug 12, 2013, 09:57 AM   #2
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 10:06 AM   #3
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I have a problem with parents who give their children ridiculous names, but I find it far more troubling that a judge would issue a legal order based on her religious principles.
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 10:20 AM   #4
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I have a problem with parents who give their children ridiculous names, but I find it far more troubling that a judge would issue a legal order based on her religious principles.
This was exactly my thought when my wife pointed me to this story last night. I can't stand when people name their child Ghennapher or something just so they can be unique (setting their child up for a lifetime of having to repeat it, spell it, and never be able to find something with their name on it). I also think Messiah is a pretty terrible name, but that's not up for me to decide. But, a judge being able to legally change it because her religion tells her so...that ain't right!
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 11:01 AM   #5
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I agree terrible name, but a terrible judge. What's the legal premise/standard to change the child's name? If it's "my religion", then that judge should be impeached.
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 11:46 AM   #6
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Just goes to show that you can take the Christian out of Cocke, but you can’t take the Cocke out of the Christian.
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 12:05 PM   #7
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I agree terrible name, but a terrible judge. What's the legal premise/standard to change the child's name? If it's "my religion", then that judge should be impeached.
Agreed. Judges with such flawed "judgement" should be disbarred. They're dealing with peoples lives here there is no room for this kind of thing.
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 12:12 PM   #8
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I like how part of the basis on this was how it is a title.

Mr, is a title right? Yet there is a person in my previous company (Project Manager @ Sling Media/DISH Network) who was legally named "Mr Megazone".

http://www.linkedin.com/in/megazone
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 12:13 PM   #9
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Kick this judge off the bench. Then take this case to an appeals court where it will be overturned because this is clearly unconstitutional.

This dumbass judge must have missed all the people of Latino descent named Jesus too.


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Old Aug 12, 2013, 12:26 PM   #10
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What if the kid's name was Adolph Hitler?
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 12:30 PM   #11
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On the bright side, the kid will probably have an easier time in school now. Kind of like naming your kid Satin.

I don't really agree with the reasons she changed the name, but that is a ****ed up name for a kid.
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 12:33 PM   #12
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I like how part of the basis on this was how it is a title.

Mr, is a title right? Yet there is a person in my previous company (Project Manager @ Sling Media/DISH Network) who was legally named "Mr Megazone".

http://www.linkedin.com/in/megazone
Well, it's that it's a "unique" title that can only be held by one person, ever (Jesus, he says). Not just that it's a title.

It's still completely ****ed reasoning, but there it is.

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On the bright side, the kid will probably have an easier time in school now. Kind of like naming your kid Satin.

I don't really agree with the reasons she changed the name, but that is a ****ed up name for a kid.
Yeah, don't name your kid after a glossy fabric. Just asking for trouble.
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 12:38 PM   #13
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What ever happened to separation of church and state?

And what the hell were the parents on when naming their kid?
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Interesting.

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What ever happened to separation of church and state?

Surely you jest.

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/d...n-that/article
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 01:02 PM   #16
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This was exactly my thought when my wife pointed me to this story last night. I can't stand when people name their child Ghennapher or something just so they can be unique (setting their child up for a lifetime of having to repeat it, spell it, and never be able to find something with their name on it). I also think Messiah is a pretty terrible name, but that's not up for me to decide. But, a judge being able to legally change it because her religion tells her so...that ain't right!
Agreed. This judge is an idiot and should be kicked off the bench.
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 01:04 PM   #17
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I am disappointed there has not been a Monty Python reference yet...
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 01:24 PM   #18
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What ever happened to separation of church and state?
For the political group you are referring to, separation of church and state only applied to the Federal Government. States could do pretty much whatever the heck they wanted. And, they did, too, until the 13th-15th Amendments. The judge is just a little old-fashioned.

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And all the Jesuses, Christians (is that a "title" also?), not to mention Mohammeds in another department, I have met over the years.

Now, despite all that, given all the weird names Americans have been coming up with for centuries now, I do have a small amount sympathy with the old French law that only allowed standard names to choose from (mainly saints and traditional French names of course).


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Battles over children's names are nothing new in France. Although French parents are free to pick their children's first names, local officials can challenge the names after the filing of the birth certificate.

The reason behind this stems from the French Revolution, which first gave complete freedom in naming. The result was some very fanciful given names, such as Mort aux Aristocrates, Racine de la Liberté, or even Café Billard.

To stop this, a law was passed in 1803 that restricted given names to "names of persons known from ancient history" — read important Frenchmen and women — or "names used in various calendars," — read Roman Catholic calendar, with its roster of saints, or the revolutionary calendar.

Although the bill to allow mother's surnames has passed in France's National Assembly, it still has to clear the Senate before becoming law.

If it does, the Marguerites and Bernadettes and Maries of France who long to name their eldest daughter after their mother, Bette, will no longer be forced to reject the proposals of a man named Noire.
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 01:26 PM   #19
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This is far, far from Sharia law but I agree with you. Only the parents should be able to come up with a name for their baby and nobody else. Even if it's something stupid like North or Friday.
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 06:49 PM   #20
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I worked with a guy with a given name of "Senator". I don't know why his parents named him that but he is very successful and I thought it was a pretty cool name.

Edit: If you can name your kid a general direction"North West" I do not see an issue with "Messiah".
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 07:09 PM   #21
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Well, Cocke County is officially in Appalachia (America's Third World).
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I wonder what the judge thinks of guys named Jesus, or Johann Gambolputty de von Ausfern
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This is far, far from Sharia law but I agree with you. Only the parents should be able to come up with a name for their baby and nobody else. Even if it's something stupid like North or Friday.
Yeah it's worse as sharia law wouldn't prevent you from naming your kid Messiah or Mohammad.
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Old Aug 13, 2013, 07:15 AM   #24
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Thats not Sharia law, although the Judge is making a wrong decision in this case. The Judge ruled that "Messiah" is a title and changed the boys first name to "Martin" the mothers last name. However there are many other kids named after Mohammed or Jesus or others so Messiah shouldn't be excluded. This case will quickly be overturned...
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Old Aug 13, 2013, 08:45 AM   #25
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Thats not Sharia law, although the Judge is making a wrong decision in this case. The Judge ruled that "Messiah" is a title and changed the boys first name to "Martin" the mothers last name. However there are many other kids named after Mohammed or Jesus or others so Messiah shouldn't be excluded. This case will quickly be overturned...

Sharia law is is the moral code and religious law of Islam. This judge used the moral code and religious law of Christianity. How is that different?
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